madscientist81
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Hey Hydro-Soil,
I'm sorry to hear about your problems. I'm glad I saw this thread because it's inspiring me to further research these products for gardening. After a decent amount of reading I concluded that for organic/sustainable gardening that I would use Azamax or other Azadirachtin containing pesticides due to their low toxicity to animals and to the environment.
After reading this thread, I did a little quick reading to see what kind of research I could find on this topic. It seems that the main side-effects appear to be skin irritation or stomach disturbance. As far as serious toxic effects though, I wasn't able to find anything regarding mammalian toxicity.
I was wondering if you could tell me a little more about your experiences with this. You said you experienced pain after consuming product treated with Azamax. What type of pain was it, how long did it last, etc etc. Would I be correct in assuming that the plants you sampled from only used Azamax, and that whenever you've experienced this it was from plants treated with Azamax (during late flowering).
I also totally agree with the sentiment of using as little-to no chemicals of any kind on products that humans will be consuming. Perhaps from my reading of the literature, I'd say the oil products, which contain other compounds may be more toxic than using purified Azadirachtin. It's also possible that some of the other limonoids or terpenes/terpenoids from the Neem are what is causing this reaction in people. Apparently terpene allergies are out there. In fact, even allergies to the terpenes in cannabis can happen in some individuals. I noticed this myself when using a particular topical preparation I made. Was fine before using but that particular one made my skin break out like I had poison ivy/poison oak rash.
So I probably agree with the sentiment expressed by others on this thread that using it during veg or very early flowering is ok but not much beyond. Also if this was used on produce (veggies) they are usually sprayed/cleaned with water before harvest which probably further dilutes or removes some of these potentially irritating compounds. Naturally with cannabis, people do not generally spray or wash their buds before harvesting.
But thanks again for the thought provoking information.
I'm sorry to hear about your problems. I'm glad I saw this thread because it's inspiring me to further research these products for gardening. After a decent amount of reading I concluded that for organic/sustainable gardening that I would use Azamax or other Azadirachtin containing pesticides due to their low toxicity to animals and to the environment.
After reading this thread, I did a little quick reading to see what kind of research I could find on this topic. It seems that the main side-effects appear to be skin irritation or stomach disturbance. As far as serious toxic effects though, I wasn't able to find anything regarding mammalian toxicity.
I was wondering if you could tell me a little more about your experiences with this. You said you experienced pain after consuming product treated with Azamax. What type of pain was it, how long did it last, etc etc. Would I be correct in assuming that the plants you sampled from only used Azamax, and that whenever you've experienced this it was from plants treated with Azamax (during late flowering).
I also totally agree with the sentiment of using as little-to no chemicals of any kind on products that humans will be consuming. Perhaps from my reading of the literature, I'd say the oil products, which contain other compounds may be more toxic than using purified Azadirachtin. It's also possible that some of the other limonoids or terpenes/terpenoids from the Neem are what is causing this reaction in people. Apparently terpene allergies are out there. In fact, even allergies to the terpenes in cannabis can happen in some individuals. I noticed this myself when using a particular topical preparation I made. Was fine before using but that particular one made my skin break out like I had poison ivy/poison oak rash.
So I probably agree with the sentiment expressed by others on this thread that using it during veg or very early flowering is ok but not much beyond. Also if this was used on produce (veggies) they are usually sprayed/cleaned with water before harvest which probably further dilutes or removes some of these potentially irritating compounds. Naturally with cannabis, people do not generally spray or wash their buds before harvesting.
But thanks again for the thought provoking information.
