using dry premixed organic ferts? like down to earth's all purpose?

[ClackamasCootz]

Once the kid at Hydro Heaven introduces the new grower to Cal-Mag Lockout then your work is done. It only gets stranger so that by the time they convince this individual about the need to flush and then the advanced 'science' about using sugars to 'release the ions' in the 'soil' - party's over.

OVAH

 

[Scrappy4]

Once the kid at Hydro Heaven introduces the new grower to Cal-Mag Lockout then your work is done. It only gets stranger so that by the time they convince this individual about the need to flush and then the advanced 'science' about using sugars to 'release the ions' in the 'soil' - party's over.

OVAH

Check it out, turns out hydro is better!



LANSING — Police found more than $300,000 worth of marijuana during a Thursday night raid at a Lansing home and adjacent business.

Lt. Tim Gill, head of the Tri-County Metro Narcotics Squad, estimated the more than 100 marijuana plants found at the eastside location would be worth about $300,000 because it was grown hydroponically.

Officers also found growing equipment, grow rooms and evidence of previous grow operations, he said.

The raid occurred somewhere between Frandor Shopping Center and downtown Lansing, Gill said, but he would not say exactly where because the investigation is ongoing.

A 39-year-old male suspect has been identifed, but he was released pending further investigation, Gill said.

“This was not just your personal consumption type of grow operation,” Gill said. “It’s a pretty substantial operation.”

He said the squad typically sees operations with 20 to 40 plants, with 650 being the most the most found in a home grow operation during his time on the metro squad.

Each marijuana plant produces one to two pounds of marijuana, which is valued between $1,000 and $3,000. Hydroponically grown marijuana sells at the higher end of the scale, he said.

Lansing police assisted with the raid. The squad is continuing its investigation, Gill said.
http://www.lansingst...044/1002/NEWS01

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Hopefully the crime scene videos or photos will show the world WHICH bottled brand of Ammonium Nitrate is preferable - Botanicare? Advanced Nutrients? Home & Garden?

I want to grow some of this 'higher end' dope! Must be really, really special I'm thinking.

 

[Gascanastan]

Once the kid at Hydro Heaven introduces the new grower to Cal-Mag Lockout then your work is done. It only gets stranger so that by the time they convince this individual about the need to flush and then the advanced 'science' about using sugars to 'release the ions' in the 'soil' - party's over.

OVAH

There's a local collective here in the area that is offering classes on growing cannabis..$90 for all for phases of the class....which in the final phase includes the practice that is almost entirely exclusive to the cannabis plant....'flushing'.....
You should see the plants on the front of the flyer...all locked out and sickly looking.

Never mind what is being taught in horticultural classes in respected colleges across the country...."YOU HAVE TO FLUSH DUDE...."....Dude....you have to flush.

A fools errand indeed....

 

[ClackamasCootz]

That's where I like to get my information - from a kid whose former employment was working the Verizon kiosk at Walmart or the 'floor manager' selling extended warranties at Best Buy on $50.00 consumer electronic toys.

 

[Scrappy4]

On occasion I have given talks on growing cannabis organically at my local compassion club. I prime them up with all my wisdom. (don't take long either) At the end i always ask for questions. Invariably I get the, which nutrient line is better, and when do i flush questions. Like they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em smart, or drink water after the coolaid, or something like that, lol.......

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Scrappy

For sh*ts and grins I attended a 'grow class' at one of the MMJ organizations. This was a 6 hour class that covered which soil to buy and how to amend ("Gonna amend my way to Dank Dumb!") through harvesting and whatever other drivel they were tossing out.

At the end of the first section which was on soil mixin' the blithering idiot asked for questions and I stood up and asked: "Have you actually grown a f*cking plant before?"

I was asked to leave and did so only after they refunded my $20.00 which meant I didn't get my sick, diseased 'clone' to take home and begin on this new path.

Probably a Kush too!

 

[Gascanastan]

I'm constantly in demand for growing advice,but over the past thousand years I've come to be selective about who I spew words to. I just don't want to waste my energy,time,breath,life force,etc. anymore on people that just don't fucking get it...it's become tiresome and pathetic.

You wanna listen and follow the exact instructions on how to build an organic living soil and bring in a top-notch crop...???.....OK THEN LISTEN.

...and then there's the canna-forums where I just pop in to make light of the living organic soil vs hyrdo-store myth....

...why....I dunno really.... maybe because it's a fucked up sick and poisoned world where humor/sarcasm may break barriers in the mind of some kid who used to work the Verizon kiosk at the mall and provoke the kid to seek out what is myth vs reality.

 

[Gascanastan]

Probably a Kush too!

I haven't seen what I would call a REAL Kush in over 20 years...

Skunk...last REAL Skunk I was around....1981-82..

Over it...

 

[ClackamasCootz]

IF - and that's a big IF - you can get a new grower through the first flip without (s)he deviating, you're still screwed in the long run.

Why you might ask? So now that this genius has a successful grow under his belt, someone will explain that (s)he has the wrong genetics - "Dude! You need the (fill in the blank)" so it's off to the races to see what needs to be done to crank it up a notch.

By the 4th grow he's been readin' and learnin' and stuff and realizes that you screwed him because you forgot to tell him about (fill in the blank). Now his source of information is the guy who gives him that dog-eyed paternal look and explains "All of the really big growers use (fill in the blank)" - hard science indeed. Forget the fact that this WPF is drawing a commission vs. minimum wage so the more money Kindly Kush Kid can extract from the new grower it's a win-win deal.

Ya got him on the treadmill and isn't that what it's all about?

This ditty from our yutz is helpful to remember when talking to a grow store employee and you'll want to wear loose-fitting 'cargo shorts' (whatever that's supposed to mean) which will give you a better access to your Special Purpose:

You put your right hand in,
You put your right hand out,
You put your right hand in,
And you shake it all about

 

[Gascanastan]

It's a strange strange world of cannabis culture .......in the United States @ least....

Does this sound about right?.....

Yeah you better get Swami Kushendez seeds bro...they R the dank...that's where the true phenomenal yields come in.
These plants practically grow themselves...express a diversity of phenotypes, all of them producing a good, tasty smoke. The common theme is extreme rapid growth and vitality, with healthy large dark green leaves and profuse resin production...
loaded with flavour and aroma, both of which are a pleasure to your senses. Plenty of resins ensure a quality high every time.
......widely used as a breeding parents for most of today’s leading "skunk" and many other strains. This stuff is very easy to grow and has always been seen as a standard against which others can be measured. They produce dense buds varying in color from light green to golden with very high yields.
......some lines from different ages and sources inbred for 7 generations
from hybrids created which should be just as impressive as their parents.
...reliable strains with its mix of Northern Lights #2 and the exotic Mexican Ruderalis with great resin production....
From 1968 The Original Skunk#1 from the real Cali Breeders (not Sam the Skunkman he's a old hangaround F-2 breeding's, he ran off to Amsterdam w/ the Cali Family seed lol) breed to a real Hindu Kush from seed found in Govt. Stamped patties and finger hash, era - 1975

This is Swami's journey to show the world what Kush is. Said to be one of the strongest hitting strongest tasting cannabis around. The buds are compact with abundant resin production. quick flowering varieties with dense buds white coated, high yielding and very, very stoned! A commercial boomer! With it`s big leaves, it`s easy to cut & clean.
Excellent for hash-making.
Expect dense, heavily frosted buds that cure to a pale green with orange pistils and smoke with a spicy flavour. The clear, up high rips my mind all to shreds and makes me feel like a primal shitting infant curled up in the fetal position in a bathtub...crapping my pants and lost in a world of cosmic purple swirls that make me feel like a REAL child of the universe....MAN~

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I will be the first to tell you that I know enough to be dangerous when it comes to growing plants. That being said, I get a lot of people talking to me wanting advise. They see my home garden, and shit their pants.(vegetables not mj)I try to keep it short and sweet. I have yet to see one person follow through with exactly what I told them to do. So I just don't waste much time on it.

I have a line of soiless mixes that I have been working on for some time now. Along with compost tea kits, and liquid fertilizers.

They will start dropping sometime in 2013. I figured a while back that if so many people need help then I might as well spell it all out via an entire company dedicated to growing plants. What really pushed me was the fact that no one will follow through with the instructions that I give them. Now if I give them a bag of soiless mix, and tell them to pot up your plants, and layer the pot with mulch and then water they can usually do that.

Then some how they get the plant stressed, and disease/or bugs take over, and it is down hill form there.

I am currently growing 29 different things in my garden, and they all get the exact same food every week. No rocket science here. Maybe a little microbiology though. That's where the microscope comes in handy.

Twice this week I got "you are growing eggplant"? No one around here can get eggplant to grow. Both of these comments came from people that have "gardened" for 30+ years. It just blows me away.

People get stuck with "ideas" in their heads, and think they are fact. You would think more gardeners would know a bit more about science, and the biology of the soil. I can't see doing something for 30+ years, and not knowing the science behind why it is doing what it is doing.

Old Wive's tales rule the gardening world.

I have to go now and add some rock phosphate to my plants to increase their yields because they will be done flowering in a month.

 

[Gascanastan]

I will be the first to tell you that I know enough to be dangerous when it comes to growing plants. That being said, I get a lot of people talking to me wanting advise. They see my home garden, and shit their pants.(vegetables not mj)I try to keep it short and sweet. I have yet to see one person follow through with exactly what I told them to do. So I just don't waste much time on it.

I have a line of soiless mixes that I have been working on for some time now. Along with compost tea kits, and liquid fertilizers.

They will start dropping sometime in 2013. I figured a while back that if so many people need help then I might as well spell it all out via an entire company dedicated to growing plants. What really pushed me was the fact that no one will follow through with the instructions that I give them. Now if I give them a bag of soiless mix, and tell them to pot up your plants, and layer the pot with mulch and then water they can usually do that.

Then some how they get the plant stressed, and disease/or bugs take over, and it is down hill form there.

I am currently growing 29 different things in my garden, and they all get the exact same food every week. No rocket science here. Maybe a little microbiology though. That's where the microscope comes in handy.

Twice this week I got "you are growing eggplant"? No one around here can get eggplant to grow. Both of these comments came from people that have "gardened" for 30+ years. It just blows me away.

People get stuck with "ideas" in their heads, and think they are fact. You would think more gardeners would know a bit more about science, and the biology of the soil. I can't see doing something for 30+ years, and not knowing the science behind why it is doing what it is doing.

Old Wive's tales rule the gardening world.

I have to go now and add some rock phosphate to my plants to increase their yields because they will be done flowering in a month.

...yeah...it's the SFP..or regular ol rock phosphate that you want...makes yer flowers HUGE!!!!!...(strange that the term 'flowers' is still accepted in the cannabis world)...
There are still a few old timers stuck in 1979 as far as canna-myth goes...you know...the whole hang the plant upside down and drive a rusty nail through the roots...that sort of thing. But really the ones that understand the basic principles of organic gardening...the ones using proper compost and soil building techniques are the old timers I listen to....
Many knowledgeable people of all ages out here in the real world actually employing organic soil practices on REAL gardens that don't grow cannabis at all. Give them a cannabis plant and say, "grow this" and watch what happens.


I see posts like this one below every single day....and I say to myself...self I say,"why bother to even look at that post.....I already know what the problem is"....good luck~

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=241389

 

[Desert Dan]

Cootz, Gascan, and Ozarks

I am still trying to learn about this whole organic living soil thing... I have been reading everything I can get ahold of. I was once a "Hydro Store Victim" until I stumbled across the organics for beginers thread and thought to myself there was no way organics could be so simple.

In short, I would love for one of you guys or all of you to start a thread explaining your practices as you seem to know your shit.

DD

 

[Gascanastan]

Cootz, Gascan, and Ozarks


In short, I would love for one of you guys or all of you to start a thread explaining your practices as you seem to know your shit.

DD

..and my shit knows me too. Honestly though myself and Coot have been there and done that...perhaps I may start a living organic soil deal as I explain it to all the noobs out here in the real world....maybe Mr. Coot and Ozarks..or Scrappy..or anyone of you soil OFC guys can chime in on wether or not that idea takes flight here or not.....

The thing is......I come at it from an angle where the soil is built starting with a base mix that is intended to be RECYCLED for as long as you decide you are going to grow cannabis..and by that,in my case is until death claims me...that's what may set my methods AND ingredients apart from others like Burn1's methods,etc.

Each cannabis cycle the soil is either re-amended with the appropriate amounts of certain amendments based upon the health of the previous round....or simply just left to be a no-till pot that is top-dressed with amendments as the cycle progresses.

A # of determining factors govern the decision to go with no-till over just dumping the pots and re-amending for the next cycle...which is the same amount of labor mixing as the initial mix,but a lot less expensive considering the amount of amendments for the next cycle will be very minimal as compared to the very first round .....ugh...

The coolest thing is the soil gets BETTER and BETTER and BETTER......no ph'ing,no flushing,very little grow trouble drama involved at all.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I put my resources on the front end by producing the best worm castings possible. Adding correct amounts of neem & kelp meals bi-monthly and a mineral mix dusting when adding food stock. The worm bin is 12 s.f. surface so adding 1 c.f. = 1" and it's when adding new manure or compost that the mineral dust is applied.

Pretty simple stupid as it was intended - knowing one's mental limitations has its rewards more often than not

CC

 

[John Deere]

I'd love to see your collective thoughts on the subject. I'm on my first run w/B1's mix and it's going great but I'm not planning on starting from scratch each time. I've got a large tub with more in the garage and my plan is to keep building on that, mixing my used soil back in as each grow cycle ends. I'm confined to indoor container growing and haven't seen many of the more unusual ingredients that are being discussed around here but I'm going to keep looking and anything I can do to continually improve will definitely help.

Anyway, I'm loving everything I'm learning so far, even if a lot of it is over my head, but I'll keep plugging along and hopefully won't ask too many noob questions. The amount of knowledge in this forum continually amazes me and I can't believe I didn't tap into it before this. It's seems very zen-like to me--the path has always been here and now I'm finally ready to begin my journey.

 

[Scrappy4]

Since Cootz beat me to the punch on compost/ewc, I'll stress diversity. As a practical example, why do you still use dolomite lime, when you can have cal and mag in multiple packages and break down times. For cal/mag try crabmeal, gypsum, oyster shells, and a whole host of plant based cal sources that come loaded for bear, with in some cases hundreds of beneficial compounds. Including those magic growth regulators that everyone is trying to synthesize. All that and cal mag.

And why not utilize what grows right in your neighbor hood? Everyone can get dandelions, take a hike and find nettles. If you see a plant/weed growing like crazy, be curious and find out why it grows so well. Is it the soil mirobes? Great culture them. Is it because the plant has compounds that cause rapid cell division? Great make a tea from it. We have clues to healthy living/growing all around us if we open our eyes.....scrappy

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Since Cootz beat me to the punch on compost/ewc, I'll stress diversity. As a practical example, why do you still use dolomite lime, when you can have cal and mag in multiple packages and break down times. For cal/mag try crabmeal, gypsum, oyster shells, and a whole host of plant based cal sources that come loaded for bear, with in some cases hundreds of beneficial compounds. Including those magic growth regulators that everyone is trying to synthesize. All that and cal mag.

And why not utilize what grows right in your neighbor hood? Everyone can get dandelions, take a hike and find nettles. If you see a plant/weed growing like crazy, be curious and find out why it grows so well. Is it the soil mirobes? Great culture them. Is it because the plant has compounds that cause rapid cell division? Great make a tea from it. We have clues to healthy living/growing all around us if we open our eyes.....scrappy

^^^^^word

 

[Gascanastan]

Ok then I'll start a thread with my base mix that I suggest to noobs out here in real life that they can't fuck up if they follow the directions. Coot's mix will be different than mine and I urge him to post his as well....