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i truly don't understand....
what issue is being prosecuted?
i mean i get it is an analogy but im failing to grasp the reference i guess....
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Is the Constitution really the greatest document we have?
- Thread starter Bennyweed1
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i truly don't understand....
what issue is being prosecuted?
i mean i get it is an analogy but im failing to grasp the reference i guess....
opinion
Mia
Active member
How silly to nitpick such a thing.
It's the whole gubernment of course.
They all swear to the oath to defend and uphold it.(are you gonna ask what "it" is now?
)ALL THREE branches play a role, not just the courts.
And even when the court rules on something, doesn't mean the executive branch has to listen, just look at Andrew Jackson.......
i still am lost...
you approach opinion like a juror and i like an attorney?
i guess it alludes me.
i would be interested to know your personal belief as to the sub topic though..
do you believe the constitution confers rights to the people or restricts government or something else entirely?
Marquis de Sod
Member
i thought people would be baggin on the o.p. but most agree. i disagree, i think it is so good it's almost sacred. i agree it's been walked on. esp. with Citizens United. i think the supreme court shit all over it. regardless, tom jeff said he thought the constitution should be scrapped and rewritten by every successive generation, he did not think it would still be around half this long, let alone now. (i used to get a station wherein a jefferson scholar pretended to be him and answered peoples questions. it was a treat and an eye opener.) you have to admit if it was so frikken great, there wouldn't have been a war that ripped our country in half less than 100 years afterwards. my biggest bitch is they take phrases like 'congress shall make no law" and make laws. it's bullshit what we have for a govt. it is so fucking star wars. we ARE the evil empire
ANOTHER thing that REALLY chaps my ass, is these fucking NRA people who are so much in favor of keeping our gun laws so that we can fight our own army, (with assault rifles etc), where in the FUCK were they when the National Guard shot like 8 or 9 students and Killed 4 of them? do they really think the us army isn't going to just wipe the citizenry right out? well, there you go, making laws you aint spozed to make........just goes to show tom was right, fluidity for the future generations to live the way they want to in the year 2012, NOT 1793 or whenever it was. ( i am FOR gun rights, i just dont buy the argument we would use them to rise up agin our own military).
alot of people would do away with the senate, alot would do away with 8 years for a pres and make it one term for six. there are quite a few things on the list for people that want a new Constitutional Convention. so yes, i will have to reverse myself and say no, not the constitution, but the declaration as well as the Bill of Rights, with the BOR being #1. unless you are including amendments into the constitution.
i would be ALL FOR a constitutional convention (re-write) if not for the fact that the mother fuckers that would re-write it are the bastards in Congress right now.
ANOTHER thing that REALLY chaps my ass, is these fucking NRA people who are so much in favor of keeping our gun laws so that we can fight our own army, (with assault rifles etc), where in the FUCK were they when the National Guard shot like 8 or 9 students and Killed 4 of them? do they really think the us army isn't going to just wipe the citizenry right out? well, there you go, making laws you aint spozed to make........just goes to show tom was right, fluidity for the future generations to live the way they want to in the year 2012, NOT 1793 or whenever it was. ( i am FOR gun rights, i just dont buy the argument we would use them to rise up agin our own military).
alot of people would do away with the senate, alot would do away with 8 years for a pres and make it one term for six. there are quite a few things on the list for people that want a new Constitutional Convention. so yes, i will have to reverse myself and say no, not the constitution, but the declaration as well as the Bill of Rights, with the BOR being #1. unless you are including amendments into the constitution.
i would be ALL FOR a constitutional convention (re-write) if not for the fact that the mother fuckers that would re-write it are the bastards in Congress right now.
That's no different than saying because we have crook bankers, banks are crooks. Might not set to well with free market warriors.
They all swear to the oath to defend and uphold it.(are you gonna ask what "it" is now?
"It" could be your dingy. The op is the Constitution. Capitalists take an oath to operate in the best interests of their customers and shareholders. Most do and some don't. It's an indictment of people, not institutions.
That's another argument, not a rebuttal. I didn't say anything contrary to what you just stated. You can add colors to the bold. Different text sizes make a nice effect.
Are we arguing for the sake of? Very few aspects of history are free of conflicting example.
Mia
Active member
Oh pardon me for my over generalizations...
90% of them suck.
Apply your own argument to yourself and see where that leads you smarty pants....
What the hell was your point again?????lol
Edit:"Judges and constitutional scholars interpret law unlike lawyers who mitigate or litigate their respective sides. Judges and constitutional scholars act like jurists who consider all information as opposed to choosing a side and defending it."
Oh I see you live in fantasy land....
And I don't demand that my lawmakers keep me safe, I take care of myself so you might want to reedit some of your own stereotypes.....
90% of them suck.
Apply your own argument to yourself and see where that leads you smarty pants....
What the hell was your point again?????lol
Edit:"Judges and constitutional scholars interpret law unlike lawyers who mitigate or litigate their respective sides. Judges and constitutional scholars act like jurists who consider all information as opposed to choosing a side and defending it."
Oh I see you live in fantasy land....
And I don't demand that my lawmakers keep me safe, I take care of myself so you might want to reedit some of your own stereotypes.....
Let me say something basic here.
Bill of rights
Constitution
so on
are all documents putting the people in charge, and trusting individuals. In trust in the people you will find an eternal society.
Fascism
Communism
and what ever you call the road the US is going down
are all forms of trust in the government or a dictator. Go to the DMV, or lets talk medicare, medicate, or any other federal owned organization. Any of those systems working? Government doesn't create anything, they take from people, period. They don't generate money in any form other than taxes.
So why is the Constitution important? To remind us of our ideals and to put trust in your fellow human. If more people felt this sense of responsibility to our communities we would have a much better society. People that are given things from government all their lives expect the world for free. Remember, nothing is free and if you let the government fool you, you will become the slave. Besides, rewards are always sweeter when you have worked hard to deserve them.
Bill of rights
Constitution
so on
are all documents putting the people in charge, and trusting individuals. In trust in the people you will find an eternal society.
Fascism
Communism
and what ever you call the road the US is going down
are all forms of trust in the government or a dictator. Go to the DMV, or lets talk medicare, medicate, or any other federal owned organization. Any of those systems working? Government doesn't create anything, they take from people, period. They don't generate money in any form other than taxes.
So why is the Constitution important? To remind us of our ideals and to put trust in your fellow human. If more people felt this sense of responsibility to our communities we would have a much better society. People that are given things from government all their lives expect the world for free. Remember, nothing is free and if you let the government fool you, you will become the slave. Besides, rewards are always sweeter when you have worked hard to deserve them.
Oh pardon me for my over generalizations...
90% of them suck.
Apply your own argument to yourself and see where that leads you smarty pants....
What the hell was your point again?????lol
The point is literal interpretation arguments split more hairs than they cut. It's important to have legal foundation and IMO the Constitution is relevant. I recognize that some actions appear unconstitutional and some actually are.
You might reflect what counters fantasy land (but only if you wish.)
And I don't demand that my lawmakers keep me safe, I take care of myself so you might want to reedit some of your own stereotypes.....
This one's sure going downhill.
Mia
Active member
I see so it does not jive with your interpretation.
Unfortunately the nature of language is such that it is almost always open to a multitude of interpretations..you cannot get around that, so you actually don't make much sense.
I'm not sure what the point of your last statement("I recognize...")is other than to state the obvious...I do agree as a society it is important that we all agree to certain rules to abide by so that we may live together well.
Unfortunately the nature of language is such that it is almost always open to a multitude of interpretations..you cannot get around that, so you actually don't make much sense.
I'm not sure what the point of your last statement("I recognize...")is other than to state the obvious...I do agree as a society it is important that we all agree to certain rules to abide by so that we may live together well.
If you even have a health insurance policy, there's enough people not paying for the emergency room to price your policy +$1000/yr.
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with philosophy. IMO, philosophy has applicational value or it doesn't.
Health care is almost 20% of GDP and rising 3 to 4 times faster than the rate of inflation. The price of the average healthcare policy doubled from 10 years ago and is projected to double again within 8.
Not all philosophies are applied but many are. The philosophies that have historical application may be studied for practical value, whether social or economic. It's easier to look back and see what economic philosophies work than it is to project unproven philosophies. We also tend to ignore negative track records of philosophies like "trickle down" i.e. "supply side" economics.
I don't know what you're doing.
You're feeding a really lame troll here.
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You know I want you, baby.
not that america got independance of course,, for one thing they ended up paying royalties to the crown yearly,, because the bankers owned britain france and america's(etc etc) money by then,, lincoln "worked" for them and then tried to stab them after,, strangely enough they kill you if you dont do what they want, what a surprise,,
" have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions, in the rear. Of the two, the one in the rear is the greatest enemy..... I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of the war.!"
Abraham Lincoln
“If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency (instead of Congress), first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of ALL PROPERTY until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. The issuing power of money should be taken from the banks and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs.”
Thomas Jefferson
"The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the US, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world."
Otto von Bismark, Chancellor of Germany 1876
"The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt modern civilization."
Otto von Bismarck, German Chancellor (1815-1898), after Lincoln assassination.
more random semi related quotes,, puff puff pass
the point that I believe Disco and I are trying to present is that by writting these very good and lofty ideals down into a document that has the nature of the constitution, such brings about precisely what we see here in the thread: people are not even ready to agree at whom is the constitution directed, whether it is the government or the people... much less is there any agreement whatsoever on the meaning of what was written.
what we are not saying at all is that the ideals presented by it are bad or stupid in any way, shape or form.
rather, the action of having put these ideals together in a document that's supposed to be the 'operating system' of a republic, is what is being criticized; again, exactly because of what we are seeing in this thread.
a lot of bickering back and forth and no actual embodiment of any of the ideals the constitution is supposed to clearly put forth.
what we are not saying at all is that the ideals presented by it are bad or stupid in any way, shape or form.
rather, the action of having put these ideals together in a document that's supposed to be the 'operating system' of a republic, is what is being criticized; again, exactly because of what we are seeing in this thread.
a lot of bickering back and forth and no actual embodiment of any of the ideals the constitution is supposed to clearly put forth.
