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Greeco

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Hi I calculated the ion ppms in Dyna Gro Bloom and I got some interesting numbers and could use some electrification on some things before I use the product. The P is extremely high at 207.5ppms @ 15ml per G. I also saw that molybdenum is supplemented at 534.95ppms?? I am used to hearing a micro nutrient at that ppms lvl would be toxic to plants. If anyone could help clear things up I would appreciate it. Here are my results.

Dizzlekush please bless this thread with some input =)

Dyna-gro Bloom 3-12-6

(Specific Gravity)
SG= G/ml 4,950g/4000ml gives Dyna Gro Bloom a SG of 1.2375

ppms @ 15ml per G

N-119ppm
P-207.5ppm
K-197ppm
Ca-79ppm
Mg-19.81ppm
B-.79ppm
Cl-1.98ppm
Co-.05ppm
Fe-3.9ppm
Mn-1.9ppm
Mo-534.95ppm ??? wtf lol
Na-3.9ppm
Zn-1.9ppm

The product is beautiful in every way except the P and Mo amounts... It's not an error on my part either here is the link to the proven % of ions in the product.

http://apps4.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/default.aspx
 
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Greeco

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my guess is that the information provided by the state has to be wrong about the Mo % and the manufacture is correct with 0.0009% being the correct one. But still leaves me with a crazy high P ppm. <100ppm of P is what I've read to be the max amount needed for our cannabis plants. so will 207.5ppm of P cause a lock out of other anions?
 
Homebrewer

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DynaGro bloom contains too much P relative to N for dirt gardening so if I ever use bloom while growing in promix, it's usually a 50/50 mix of grow and bloom which acts as my 'booster'. Otherwise their 7-9-5 works excellent in promix from seed to harvest.

In hydro, the N:p ratio works much better but I find that I still need a touch of their grow formula (7-9-5) to keep the plants green during the first few weeks of flower. Given the NPK ratio and overall mineral content of DG's Bloom formula, it's essentially the best 'bloom booster' on the market.

Greeco, you're correct about an error somewhere as DG's Bloom only contains 0.0009% Mo.
 
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TheBioMaster

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It does have the most concentrated amount of P for any formula on the market.

The ratio's makes Dyna-Gro Bloom an excellence choice for vegging clones and getting a big fat thick root mass in a very short amount of time. Never tested in soil always Hydroponic RDWC systems. But have yet to see any formula beat Dyna-Gro Bloom and some Protek and Cal/Mag for a veg formula and transition periods to flower.

And FYI you use Cal/Mag to make up for or "balance" the lack of nitrogen if you need more.......

For starting around the 3rd week of flower however Dyna-Gro Bloom would not be my first choice for a true flowering base nutrient but adding the Mag Pro from them can make it work and it is very cost effective if you do not have lots of money to spend of nutrients.

Also adding Epsom Salt at 1gram per gallon can have magical like effects and it is dirt cheap!

For a top shelf true veg and flowering formula I would look to the likes of Heavy 16 Bloom formula only or House & Garden Aqua Flakes and some Kool bloom and your all set! Aqua Flakes also works well as both a veg and bloom formula.

These plants grow WAY to fast to really require a complete and separate veg and bloom formula......PERIOD. It is just not needed and can actually be counter productive.

Marketing companies convinced people that they needed a separate formula for veg and flower, NOT growers in the industry. The sooner you realize that the better off you and your wallet and your plants will be.


Another option and great new one part complete powder formula is the Veg+Bloom. This stuff works very well from start to finish and you do not need anything else.

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dizzlekush

dizzlekush

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Greeco said:
Hi I calculated the ion ppms in Dyna Gro Bloom and I got some interesting numbers and could use some electrification on some things before I use the product. The P is extremely high at 207.5ppms @ 15ml per G. I also saw that molybdenum is supplemented at 534.95ppms?? I am used to hearing a micro nutrient at that ppms lvl would be toxic to plants. If anyone could help clear things up I would appreciate it. Here are my results.

Dizzlekush please bless this thread with some input =)
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Hey buddy. yea Dyna's Bloom is really high in the P, i doubt the Mo levels are accurate, otherwise we'd all be killing our plants with it. I've ran Dyna Bloom next to the formula i like to run (which i used Dyna Foliage-Pro for the base to keep quality controls the same) and saw very little differences in growth. The Dyna Bloom plants built up EC in the medium quicker than the other groups and one strain was more "foxtailed" when given the Dyna Bloom, which lessened bag appeal. I still use the Dyna Bloom when i want to increase my P during the 2nd half of bloom, i use it as more of a "bloom booster" instead of replacing my base with it.

Interesting that dyna never shows the amount of S in their products. IIRC all the Mg that the product has comes from Magnesium Sulfate, which has more S than Mg, so there should be a decent amount of S in the product. Adding Epsom salts would still be beneficial, unless water sources have significant amounts of Mg and S.

Dyna isn't formulated for cannabis, not really formulated for any 1 thing, then again many 'cannabis-specific' products are just as un-specialized and of lesser quality. Only product i really like is their foliage-pro. All of their products i've bought precipitated solids in the bottle after several months, then again after several months they dissipated. I've gotten fed up with liquid products due to weight, price and short shelf life and only use powders now, except for my fulvic acid source.

HTH,
-dizzle
 
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Greeco

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thanks for popping in dizzle. I have gone to all three state data bases and they all don't say the product has any Sulfur in it like it says it does. It's the only ion that isn't guaranteed in all states so it makes since. Its time to buy some jacks like you've been telling me to do for some time now.

Thebiomaster- Thanks for the input, I agree cheaper is better and we don't need all this extra crap we get sold. I need to buy some jacks pro hydro and use that I think. No point in wasting anymore money on liquid nutrients.
 
Bongstar420

Bongstar420

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This is highly unlikely. There is, as a matter of fact, very poor quality control standards in diluted fertilizers. Around %30 are far below or far above the labels specifications. This also applies to food supplements for people (Ive seen supplements analized to contain unsafe levels of Lead)....The lack of state enforcement is why this occurs. If a multivitamin can contain dangerous levels of Lead on the shelf ready for consumption, what is stopping this from occurring with any ingredient in a fertilizer. Also, Ive heard of hydro ferts containing illegal growth stimulants (the kind that persist in the plant and environment that have measurable dangers for human consumption)

I find it odd you trust someone taking profits over someone working for the public good. I personally will not use a fertilizer product that has not been analyzed by the state.

:tiphat:

Here is a discussion of nutrient issues with the species in question. I copied the part about Moly to help with efficiency.

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/p...abis-plant-pest-problem-solver-pictorial.html

Molybdenum (Mo)

Molybdenum has proteins that help the plant take nitrogen from the air.

A Molybdenum deficiency causes leaves to have a pale, fringed and scorched look, along with weird or retarded leaf growth. Yellowing of middle leaves can occur as well as twisted younger leaves which will eventually die. Molybdenum deficiencies frequently resemble a nitrogen deficiency. A Molybdenum deficiency shows older chlorotic leaves with rolled margins and stunted growth. Looks like a nitrogen deficiency but with the red tips moving inwards to the middle of the leaves. Molybdenum deficiency will usually show up in the older to middle aged leaves, then it moves to the young leaves. Generally a molybdenum deficiency occurs when sulfur and phosphorus are deficient.

Molybdenum toxicity doesn’t cause to many problems, but may cause problems when the human ingests it. Excessive molybdenum in cannabis will look like iron or copper deficiency. Parts affected are by the molybdenum deficiency are: Older leaves.

Problems with Molybdenum being Locked out by pH Troubles

Soil pH that are under 5.5

Soil

Molybdenum gets locked out of soil growing at pH levels of 2.0-6.5
Molybdenum is absorbed best in soil at a pH level of 7.0-9.5 (Wouldn't recommend having a soil pH of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Molybdenum deficiency.

Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Molybdenum gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at pH levels of 2.0-5.5
Molybdenum is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at pH levels of 6.0-8.0 (Wouldn't recommend having a pH over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Molybdenum deficiency.

It appears that the Moly level in a fert can be quite high and you probably wont notice unless your Ph is way too high. The method of production that I use is much more likely to show a deficiency even if there are adequate amounts of Mo though other issues are much more likely to show (my CalMag source is mostly limestone and dolomite).

Greeco said:
my guess is that the information provided by the state has to be wrong about the Mo % and the manufacture is correct with 0.0009% being the correct one. But still leaves me with a crazy high P ppm. <100ppm of P is what I've read to be the max amount needed for our cannabis plants. so will 207.5ppm of P cause a lock out of other anions?
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Lit_Reflex

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***15 ML PER GALLON??!!!!*** THIS IS NOT ADVANCED NUTRIENTS MAN!!!!!

You are only supposed to use 2.46446 MILLILITERS PER GALLON FOR A FULL CONTINUOUS FEEDING DOSE PRECISELY!!!!!!!

Furthermore you do not use the Grow product with cannabis. You use the Foliage Pro.

By the way.... Dyna-Gro did do plant tissue analysis on cannabis leaves. The founder says all this talk of plant-specific nutrition is totally wrong and that they've found great results with using just Foliage Pro throughout the cannabis plant's entire lifespan.

Listen to this interview with the Dyna-Gro founder and you'll learn some things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFpZjvwKBo
 
EvergreenState

EvergreenState

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This is the feeding schedule emailed to me by Dyna Gro about ten days ago when I sent them an email asking them how I should use their products for an amended organic soil grow.
 

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Budley Doright

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Greeco said:
Hi I calculated the ion ppms in Dyna Gro Bloom and I got some interesting numbers and could use some electrification on some things before I use the product. The P is extremely high at 207.5ppms @ 15ml per G. I also saw that molybdenum is supplemented at 534.95ppms?? I am used to hearing a micro nutrient at that ppms lvl would be toxic to plants. If anyone could help clear things up I would appreciate it. Here are my results.

Dizzlekush please bless this thread with some input =)

Dyna-gro Bloom 3-12-6

(Specific Gravity)
SG= G/ml 4,950g/4000ml gives Dyna Gro Bloom a SG of 1.2375

ppms @ 15ml per G

N-119ppm
P-207.5ppm
K-197ppm
Ca-79ppm
Mg-19.81ppm
B-.79ppm
Cl-1.98ppm
Co-.05ppm
Fe-3.9ppm
Mn-1.9ppm
Mo-534.95ppm ??? wtf lol
Na-3.9ppm
Zn-1.9ppm

The product is beautiful in every way except the P and Mo amounts... It's not an error on my part either here is the link to the proven % of ions in the product.

http://apps4.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/default.aspx
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washington state Fertilizer Product Database


You could try this database and compare.....


Remember the label is the quaranteed MINIMUM....
 
green thumbs

green thumbs

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Im tempted to try the foliage pro from start to finish and see what results i get. Anyone using all the way through? I would like to hear your input good or bad.
 
Kygiacomo!!!

Kygiacomo!!!

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green thumbs said:
Im tempted to try the foliage pro from start to finish and see what results i get. Anyone using all the way through? I would like to hear your input good or bad.
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thats what im gonna do this year..i spoke to homebrewer about it since i followed his grows on roll it up of dyna gro vs advanced nutrients and dyna vs general hydroponics and his plants looked awesome
 
Homebrewer

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green thumbs said:
Im tempted to try the foliage pro from start to finish and see what results i get. Anyone using all the way through? I would like to hear your input good or bad.
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It works GREAT from start to finish in promix but then again, any complete plant food with a similar NPK ratio will too. I happen to like FP because it's super concentrated and bottles last a very long time.
 
green thumbs

green thumbs

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@HB I use pure coco that shoudnt be a issue? I know in veg it kicks ass as thats what I use and couldnt be happier such beautiful lush healthy growth and no deficiencies.
 
EvergreenState

EvergreenState

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Lit_Reflex said:
***15 ML PER GALLON??!!!!*** THIS IS NOT ADVANCED NUTRIENTS MAN!!!!!

You are only supposed to use 2.46446 MILLILITERS PER GALLON FOR A FULL CONTINUOUS FEEDING DOSE PRECISELY!!!!!!!

Furthermore you do not use the Grow product with cannabis. You use the Foliage Pro.

By the way.... Dyna-Gro did do plant tissue analysis on cannabis leaves. The founder says all this talk of plant-specific nutrition is totally wrong and that they've found great results with using just Foliage Pro throughout the cannabis plant's entire lifespan.

Listen to this interview with the Dyna-Gro founder and you'll learn some things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFpZjvwKBo
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Nice interview. Very informative. Thanks for the link.
 
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