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jamminman

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Here's a question for any one who has checked and an idea for anyone interested. Is there more CBD produced from an LED or a HPS. And is the difference, if any, related to increase of resin or increase or decrease in it or another cannabinoid? :smoke out:
 

jamminman

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I have heard that UV-b produces more THC from CBD, so if light can affect it than....? I have experienced more oil produced from LEDs, so again...reason to wonder for inquiring minds.
 

Friend

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i think that genetics has more to do with CBD and THC production than the type of light source used.

however instead of "LED vs. HPS" maybe a better question would be "sunlight vs. artificial light"
 

jamminman

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i think that genetics has more to do with CBD and THC production than the type of light source used.

however instead of "LED vs. HPS" maybe a better question would be "sunlight vs. artificial light"
Yes that is a good question too.
 

PaqueteMan

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:tiphat:

Well... straightforward as the answer may be I have to say I still find the question perfectly legitimate.

Cheers!
 

Phaeton

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After 13 years of growing, yes, light spectrum makes a difference. This is the whole point of inside growing, environmental control. Light is included.

LED's at this point are capable of putting a lot more energy into a single area than HID's can do.

Good spectrum is good spectrum, but if this good ratio of light can be intensified right up to the limit of the plant's ability to process, growth will be better.

Good spectrum requires multiple light sources at the present level of technology. Red and blue feed chlorophyll very well but chlorophyl tastes bad and does not get anyone high. THC likes a few more wavelengths and all those entourage chemicals use more than chlorophyl also.

A good day outdoors beats anything I have built, but inside the weather is excellent 24/7, 365/year and outgrows the the outdoors 9 out of 10 times.

Finding the max for veg at this time, am using double the budding intensity without bleaching due to balanced light ratio's.

Pictures show the level with and without the CMH supplement, the LED's alone do not provide longwave (800 plus nm) red nor green, both very beneficial for growth.

It is not where the light comes from, but what it is.
 

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jamminman

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A good day outdoors beats anything I have built, but inside the weather is excellent 24/7, 365/year and outgrows the the outdoors 9 out of 10 times.
Unless you have a partner like I have had a time or three, lol. Like the plants are in special forces, one day it's nice tropical island and the next in the desert, then the arctic. the light could be 9, 10 or even 16 hours depending on how many times he walked past the timer. :S Correction always met with, "don't worry their fine". I guess some people can learn and some shouldn't even watch :wallbash: Those types have proven to be security risks anyway.

Finding the max for veg at this time, am using double the budding intensity without bleaching due to balanced light ratio's.

Wow, what kind of growth rate are you getting with that?
Have you used more blue LEDs for veg? Thinking of trying them for rooting.

Pictures show the level with and without the CMH supplement, the LED's alone do not provide longwave (800 plus nm) red nor green, both very beneficial for growth.

It is not where the light comes from, but what it is.

I even wonder if different light frequencies can influence a lot of things including flavor.
 

mexcurandero420

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Light spectra has influence on flavor (terpenes), but not on CBD concentration, that's controlled by Bd/allele.

Keep on growing :)
 

Aeroguerilla

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i think that a cooler light would produce more THC just look at bud grown under 600w vs 1000w... less watts and the shit is wayyy more frosty... i think maybe someone should grow the same bud, same conditions under 400w 600w 1000w hps/metal halide, 300w led, cfls... compare everything then send out a little piece to get tested of each and see what you end up with for results

your question was CBDs so i dont know. gotta leave this one for the pros
 

jamminman

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Light spectra has influence on flavor (terpenes), but not on CBD concentration, that's controlled by Bd/allele.

Keep on growing :)


Ok, now were cookin.
Care to elaborate on the effect on terpenes? Or ideas on how one might influence them with light?

I know that they are the first to vaporise off, and CBDs take more heat than THC. Kind of puts the two on opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to medicinal vs pleasure traits.
 

jamminman

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i think that a cooler light would produce more THC just look at bud grown under 600w vs 1000w... less watts and the shit is wayyy more frosty... i think maybe someone should grow the same bud, same conditions under 400w 600w 1000w hps/metal halide, 300w led, cfls... compare everything then send out a little piece to get tested of each and see what you end up with for results

your question was CBDs so i dont know. gotta leave this one for the pros
In those cases it's probably less light intensity and more of a heat issue and probably have a general loss of resin from that.
 

jamminman

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It's also hard to clarify when people are talking about THC, general resin, or trichome production because many don't know the difference. Some say THC when they mean trichomes, and trichomes when they mean resin.
 

VirginHarvester

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LED's at this point are capable of putting a lot more energy into a single area than HID's can do.

Good spectrum is good spectrum, but if this good ratio of light can be intensified right up to the limit of the plant's ability to process, growth will be better.

Good spectrum requires multiple light sources at the present level of technology. Red and blue feed chlorophyll very well but chlorophyl tastes bad and does not get anyone high. THC likes a few more wavelengths and all those entourage chemicals use more than chlorophyl also.

Off topic but what are you using now from veg to flower, a variety of MH/HPS/LED or only LED?

I'm also curious if there are bulbs for UV supplementation developed yet that distribute UV evenly over a canopy. Last I read you had to sort of spot-place UV lights if you wanted to try that route, and that way it's quite a lot of work to try and set that up in a grow space and constantly move them around.
 

Dysnomia

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Ok, now were cookin.
Care to elaborate on the effect on terpenes? Or ideas on how one might influence them with light?

I know that they are the first to vaporise off, and CBDs take more heat than THC. Kind of puts the two on opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to medicinal vs pleasure traits.

I'm also sure that the evaporation of the terpenoids has a lot to do with the ratios and types of terpenoids present in the final product. Monoterpenes are the easiest to evaporate, then sesqui-, di-, triterpenoids etc.

Regarding the medicinal and psychotropic effects, the terpenoids also play a big role. This is the best thing I have come across regarding the effects of terpenoids. Definitely a good read.
Terpenoids, ‘minor’ cannabinoids contribute to ‘entourage effect’ of cannabis-based medicines


Regards,
Dysnomia:tiphat:
 
I'm just finishing up my first grow with my new LED light board. This one does have 5 or 6 UV bulbs that the manufacturer claims help with resin production. I'm harvesting the first plant at the end of this week so I should be able to chip in my 2 cents after I get the buds dried out.
 

Granger2

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Just an opinion. One factor is radiant heat which speeds evaporation of terpenes. LED's put out way less radiant heat, so I think that can explain partially why LED users usually say the crop is tastier. -granger
 
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