I germinated some seeds about 9 days ago. There are in small rockwool cubes in a propagator under a CFL. They have one set of new leaves and starting to grow the second set. The leaves have started to raise up. They look healthy but raised, about 45 degrees upwards from horizontal. Any idea what could be causing this e.g. too hot.cold, lack/excess of water...?
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leaves raised on seedlings
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touringfunkband
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What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
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How long have they been in there mixture they are in now?(coco,soiless etc..)
How tall are the plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
What Nutrient's are you using?(If growing soiless)
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding? (If using soiless)
How often are you giving nutrients? (If using soiless)
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
How often are you testing your pH/PPM/EC/TDS?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equipment?
When was your last watering?
What is your water temps?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
What size bulb are you using?
How old is the bulbs you are using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
When you post in the infirmary the best thing to do is fill out the infirmary questionnaire which you paste into your post and fill in the answers. That way not only do you get more responses but they tend to be more accurate. Good luck to you!
*NOTE: Please Cut And Paste only the section that applies and add your response. The more information you can give the better and faster people can help you out.Pictures should be added to every thread to ensure a proper diagnosis, when using pictures please ensure your HPS if using one is not turned on while taking pictures, as the lighting hides the plants problems. Fill out
ARE YOU USING?
SOIL:
How long has this problem been going on?
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?
Were they in the same mixture when they were seedlings/smaller plant? If not, what mixture were they in before?
How Tall are the plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What brand Nutrient's are you using?
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding?
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
How often are you testing pH/ppm/EC/TDS?
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
How often are you watering?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
How old is your bulbs?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?(Only if you have a tds pen)
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?(Only if you have a tds pen)
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?
HYDROPONICS/Aero Ponics/Coco/Soiless/
How long has this problem been going on?
Are you growing in a PVC grow tent? (example: Hydrohut or any other non brand tents)
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How long have they been in there mixture they are in now?(coco,soiless etc..)
How tall are the plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
What Nutrient's are you using?(If growing soiless)
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding? (If using soiless)
How often are you giving nutrients? (If using soiless)
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
How often are you testing your pH/PPM/EC/TDS?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equipment?
When was your last watering?
What is your water temps?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
What size bulb are you using?
How old is the bulbs you are using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
i've never had the leaves up like that before. they were always horizontal
If they are forming a v shape there is nothing wrong. That is normal for plants to do when there nice and healthy.. Not all plants will exhibit this behavior nothing to worry about. A pic would be nice to see.
dont over water post a pic
MrGreenWeed
Member
Pics are a bare minimum for decent plant diagnosis.
Not that difficult. This is what an average seedling should look like after 5-6 days from seed in soil. Seedlings can bend and twist funny sometimes, no worries unless you see burn or disease.
I cant enlarge your pic to see it... Here is another one. See how the 2ND set of leaves are v shaped thats normal growth
MrGreenWeed
Member
Your pic is much better then mine! I don't know whether the seedling or the cup has the better shade of green. Mine was just a VLC snapshot of an old video I had, I'll have to find a different program to grab pics off my high quality vids.
I've 2 pics of one of the seedlings. This is the worst one. Leaves are raised and dried out at the tips.
I normally have them in a propagator under a CFL, the tips of seedlings anywhere between 2-3 inches from the bulbs. The bulbs don't emit much heat although my digital thermometer says it about 32C. Room temp is about 18C.
I normally have them in a propagator under a CFL, the tips of seedlings anywhere between 2-3 inches from the bulbs. The bulbs don't emit much heat although my digital thermometer says it about 32C. Room temp is about 18C.
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Early guess is too hot, wrong pH and low humidity.
On the bright side,, you know what unhappy plants look like.
You need to get closer to golden,,
On the bright side,, you know what unhappy plants look like.
You need to get closer to golden,,
yours look so healthy. have you doing anything to prevent algae growing on the tops of the cubes? mine get all green and smily very fast.
Oooooh...ya, scratch that. That plant is not happy. Do you have an fresh air circulation in there?
Grow lights make alge grow, so if you cover the top of the block, that will keep them alge free. (mostly alge free anyway.....)
Floroecent lights are great for seedlings,,, cooler too.
pH is important - more so if your out of the golden range around 6, but seed starts seem to like my 7.0-ish pH tap water. When pH is too high or too low, it interferes with the plants ability to take nute in. - I like to allow some swing between 5.7 to 6.2 or so.
The last time I bought fresh Rockwook cubes, I'm pretty sure I also got a case of root aphids. Hope you never see those bastards!
Sickly plants are no fun, I know.
1. Those cubes look soaked~~~Too wet
2. 2inches is too close, probably why those leaves are crispy~~~Too hot
Fix those things and you should be fine. Might want to chuck those if you have more seed stock and start fresh. I personally think the first month or so of a plants' life is very important in overall health, and can effect in positive or negative ways how that plant will do in the future. IE a plant grown not to it's potential may not be a easily cloned as one that was grown to perfection from the start. Kinda like dropping a baby on it's head, they still may learn their ABCs but it might be a little slower than the other kids. And if you drop them mulitple times, you better invest in helmets and bibs.
2. 2inches is too close, probably why those leaves are crispy~~~Too hot
Fix those things and you should be fine. Might want to chuck those if you have more seed stock and start fresh. I personally think the first month or so of a plants' life is very important in overall health, and can effect in positive or negative ways how that plant will do in the future. IE a plant grown not to it's potential may not be a easily cloned as one that was grown to perfection from the start. Kinda like dropping a baby on it's head, they still may learn their ABCs but it might be a little slower than the other kids. And if you drop them mulitple times, you better invest in helmets and bibs.
Ya plenty of fresh air.
RockMountainHi said:
I try to maintain the pH at 5.5 but it rises to about 6.0 and I need to bring it down again.
I've since transplanted them into the big cubes and they are under a 600W MH.
Too much light Amigo,,,,
newborns don't go to the beach or tanning center and stay healthy do they?
Naaaa we give em soft gentle light and baby food - and then, only when they get hungary.
And wet roots are not healthy roots - roots need air as much as they need water.
You can stack 2 blocks up to drain the top one.
Give em what they need, not what you think will make em grow.
newborns don't go to the beach or tanning center and stay healthy do they?
Naaaa we give em soft gentle light and baby food - and then, only when they get hungary.
And wet roots are not healthy roots - roots need air as much as they need water.
You can stack 2 blocks up to drain the top one.
Give em what they need, not what you think will make em grow.
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What should I cover them with? Does covering them not restrict air getting to them? You do not have them covered yet you have no algae.
thefanfx
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hey
hey
dj stevo , leafs up means overheated for sure
put fan-s more fans and more fresh air m8
a much as you can , as well if your lights are not fluorescent put them on bigger distance from the plants
only fluorescent lights can be placed on 5-10cm from the little plant
all other must be on bigger distance
GL m8
hey
dj stevo , leafs up means overheated for sure
put fan-s more fans and more fresh air m8
a much as you can , as well if your lights are not fluorescent put them on bigger distance from the plants
only fluorescent lights can be placed on 5-10cm from the little plant
all other must be on bigger distance
GL m8
