The way i see it... you can't discount any theory when it comes to matters of the universe, and life itself, unless clearly proven wrong. Shits just too weird ...
Every Black Hole Contains a New Universe
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HZ, thx 4 the post.
i have never thought of the possibility of existing in a black hole.
'M' theory.....or string theory is another very interesting possibility.
http://www.nucleares.unam.mx/~alberto/physics/string.html
"We live in a wonderfully complex universe, and we are curious about it by nature. Time and again we have wondered--- why are we here? Where did we and the world come from? What is the world made of? It is our privilege to live in a time when enormous progress has been made towards finding some of the answers. String theory is our most recent attempt to answer the last (and part of the second) question.
So, what is the world made of? Ordinary matter is made of atoms, which are in turn made of just three basic components: electrons whirling around a nucleus composed of neutrons and protons. The electron is a truly fundamental particle (it is one of a family of particles known as leptons), but neutrons and protons are made of smaller particles, known as quarks. Quarks are, as far as we know, truly elementary.
Our current knowledge about the subatomic composition of the universe is summarized in what is known as the Standard Model of particle physics. It describes both the fundamental building blocks out of which the world is made, and the forces through which these blocks interact. There are twelve basic building blocks. Six of these are quarks--- they go by the interesting names of up, down, charm, strange, bottom and top. (A proton, for instance, is made of two up quarks and one down quark.) The other six are leptons--- these include the electron and its two heavier siblings, the muon and the tauon, as well as three neutrinos.
There are four fundamental forces in the universe: gravity, electromagnetism, and the weak and strong nuclear forces. Each of these is produced by fundamental particles that act as carriers of the force. The most familiar of these is the photon, a particle of light, which is the mediator of electromagnetic forces. (This means that, for instance, a magnet attracts a nail because both objects exchange photons.) The graviton is the particle associated with gravity. The strong force is carried by eight particles known as gluons. Finally, the weak force is transmitted by three particles, the W+, the W- , and the Z.
The behavior of all of these particles and forces is described with impeccable precision by the Standard Model, with one notable exception: gravity. For technical reasons, the gravitational force, the most familiar in our every day lives, has proven very difficult to describe microscopically. This has been for many years one of the most important problems in theoretical physics-- to formulate a quantum theory of gravity.
In the last few decades, string theory has emerged as the most promising candidate for a microscopic theory of gravity. And it is infinitely more ambitious than that: it attempts to provide a complete, unified, and consistent description of the fundamental structure of our universe. (For this reason it is sometimes, quite arrogantly, called a 'Theory of Everything').
The essential idea behind string theory is this: all of the different 'fundamental ' particles of the Standard Model are really just different manifestations of one basic object: a string. How can that be? Well, we would ordinarily picture an electron, for instance, as a point with no internal structure. A point cannot do anything but move. But, if string theory is correct, then under an extremely powerful 'microscope' we would realize that the electron is not really a point, but a tiny loop of string. A string can do something aside from moving--- it can oscillate in different ways. If it oscillates a certain way, then from a distance, unable to tell it is really a string, we see an electron. But if it oscillates some other way, well, then we call it a photon, or a quark, or a ... you get the idea. So, if string theory is correct, the entire world is made of strings!
Perhaps the most remarkable thing about string theory is that such a simple idea works--- it is possible to derive (an extension of) the Standard Model (which has been verified experimentally with incredible precision) from a theory of strings. But it should also be said that, to date, there is no direct experimental evidence that string theory itself is the correct description of Nature. This is mostly due to the fact that string theory is still under development. We know bits and pieces of it, but we do not yet see the whole picture, and we are therefore unable to make definite predictions. In recent years many exciting developments have taken place, radically improving our understanding of what the theory is."
i have never thought of the possibility of existing in a black hole.
'M' theory.....or string theory is another very interesting possibility.
http://www.nucleares.unam.mx/~alberto/physics/string.html
"We live in a wonderfully complex universe, and we are curious about it by nature. Time and again we have wondered--- why are we here? Where did we and the world come from? What is the world made of? It is our privilege to live in a time when enormous progress has been made towards finding some of the answers. String theory is our most recent attempt to answer the last (and part of the second) question.
So, what is the world made of? Ordinary matter is made of atoms, which are in turn made of just three basic components: electrons whirling around a nucleus composed of neutrons and protons. The electron is a truly fundamental particle (it is one of a family of particles known as leptons), but neutrons and protons are made of smaller particles, known as quarks. Quarks are, as far as we know, truly elementary.
Our current knowledge about the subatomic composition of the universe is summarized in what is known as the Standard Model of particle physics. It describes both the fundamental building blocks out of which the world is made, and the forces through which these blocks interact. There are twelve basic building blocks. Six of these are quarks--- they go by the interesting names of up, down, charm, strange, bottom and top. (A proton, for instance, is made of two up quarks and one down quark.) The other six are leptons--- these include the electron and its two heavier siblings, the muon and the tauon, as well as three neutrinos.
There are four fundamental forces in the universe: gravity, electromagnetism, and the weak and strong nuclear forces. Each of these is produced by fundamental particles that act as carriers of the force. The most familiar of these is the photon, a particle of light, which is the mediator of electromagnetic forces. (This means that, for instance, a magnet attracts a nail because both objects exchange photons.) The graviton is the particle associated with gravity. The strong force is carried by eight particles known as gluons. Finally, the weak force is transmitted by three particles, the W+, the W- , and the Z.
The behavior of all of these particles and forces is described with impeccable precision by the Standard Model, with one notable exception: gravity. For technical reasons, the gravitational force, the most familiar in our every day lives, has proven very difficult to describe microscopically. This has been for many years one of the most important problems in theoretical physics-- to formulate a quantum theory of gravity.
In the last few decades, string theory has emerged as the most promising candidate for a microscopic theory of gravity. And it is infinitely more ambitious than that: it attempts to provide a complete, unified, and consistent description of the fundamental structure of our universe. (For this reason it is sometimes, quite arrogantly, called a 'Theory of Everything').
The essential idea behind string theory is this: all of the different 'fundamental ' particles of the Standard Model are really just different manifestations of one basic object: a string. How can that be? Well, we would ordinarily picture an electron, for instance, as a point with no internal structure. A point cannot do anything but move. But, if string theory is correct, then under an extremely powerful 'microscope' we would realize that the electron is not really a point, but a tiny loop of string. A string can do something aside from moving--- it can oscillate in different ways. If it oscillates a certain way, then from a distance, unable to tell it is really a string, we see an electron. But if it oscillates some other way, well, then we call it a photon, or a quark, or a ... you get the idea. So, if string theory is correct, the entire world is made of strings!
Perhaps the most remarkable thing about string theory is that such a simple idea works--- it is possible to derive (an extension of) the Standard Model (which has been verified experimentally with incredible precision) from a theory of strings. But it should also be said that, to date, there is no direct experimental evidence that string theory itself is the correct description of Nature. This is mostly due to the fact that string theory is still under development. We know bits and pieces of it, but we do not yet see the whole picture, and we are therefore unable to make definite predictions. In recent years many exciting developments have taken place, radically improving our understanding of what the theory is."
ThirdEyeVision
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the latest episode of Thru the Wormhole talks a lot about this it was very good for the layman
god, big bang theory. all the same thing.
everything is in a fractal. that is one reason I like this theory.
I hear people say all the time, oh it is just a theory. Evolution is just a theory. bla bla bla. Well let me explain what a theory actually is to those people that did no pay attention in science class.
when scientist use the word theory it is not just some idea they come up with. that is just an idea. A theory is backed up by a lot of evidence, and is as close as you can get to an all truism in science.
Hence Gravity is just a theory, but I don't see anyone jumping off a bridge to test it
No! not everything is in a fractal ... but could universes be? ...
^in nature on earth everything is in fractals is what I meant. leaves, rocks, diamonds, skin cells, etc.
You may find this interesting. The realization of fractals has even helped us to clone diamonds. They are identical to ones made in nature. They can not be told apart by a jeweler, or a even an atomic microscope with out a manufactures mark. There is only one company with the patent, and they make an identifying mark on each diamond in the production process. Basically what they do is take a tiny tiny piece of diamond and use it as a seed like we do with a plant cutting. Then they put it in a sealed chamber with carbon gas an electricity, and the carbon gas binds to the carbon solid in the crystal and fractal pattern of the seed diamond. They have even figured out how to make it take a certain shape. the idea is to make computer chips out of them because they can handle so much heat. However they do not carry electricity so they add boron gas in the mix and it makes a diamond that can carry electric current. with in a decade they will have the first prototype chip ready for testing.
You may find this interesting. The realization of fractals has even helped us to clone diamonds. They are identical to ones made in nature. They can not be told apart by a jeweler, or a even an atomic microscope with out a manufactures mark. There is only one company with the patent, and they make an identifying mark on each diamond in the production process. Basically what they do is take a tiny tiny piece of diamond and use it as a seed like we do with a plant cutting. Then they put it in a sealed chamber with carbon gas an electricity, and the carbon gas binds to the carbon solid in the crystal and fractal pattern of the seed diamond. They have even figured out how to make it take a certain shape. the idea is to make computer chips out of them because they can handle so much heat. However they do not carry electricity so they add boron gas in the mix and it makes a diamond that can carry electric current. with in a decade they will have the first prototype chip ready for testing.
Here is an interesting thought. When scientist use a particle collider, to create a mii black hole to study them are they creating and destroying an entire universe in a few seconds. If so is the time scale in that universe anything near ours? nope. So in that mini universe is their intelligent life that views their existence as billions of years?
this is like getting stuck between two mirrors while on acid.
tripppppy.
seriously though, good find.
tripppppy.
seriously though, good find.
^lol. i was thinking that earlier.
Yeah I was watching that and they were essentially saying that within every Galaxy there is a super massive Black Hole.They found a way to observe the effects of super massive black holes and went about trying to observe one in a nearby gallaxy only to discover one right here in our own galaxy.
The thing is it's still a theory, what's real is the observable effects of what a theory is about (the evidence you say backs a theory up). The theory though is just a best guess as to what makes the evidence real. Of course it makes sense and seems like more then just a guess though because it is created with the intention of explaining the evidence.
It was once believed that illness was the result of evil spirits entering our bodies and that a person could be cured of an illness by cutting them open so that they can bleed the evil out of them. The theory at the time appeared correct because after draining some of the blood people would seemingly get better, so obviously the evil spirits were drained out. In reality though it is more likely the blood letting was just something to make people feel like they did something about it and the "cure" to their illness was really just because the illness had run it's course. In other words the cure would have happened with or without the blood letting but since it came afterwards then obviously it must have been because of the blood letting.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all theories are as flimsy as the idea of evil spirits needing to be drained out of our bodies to cure illness. I'm just making the point that our theories are only as good as our understanding of the reality of what we observe. That it's possible, just like blood letting to drain evil spirits, that our theories are only as good as what we know at that time. That it's possible to obtain a better understanding of reality that then disproves our theories before we had that better understanding of reality.
Nice read,
OP, are you familiar with Nassim Haramein's theories. Pretty solid stuff imo.
Nassim Haramein - Black WHole
http://vimeo.com/30784674
OP, are you familiar with Nassim Haramein's theories. Pretty solid stuff imo.
Nassim Haramein - Black WHole
http://vimeo.com/30784674
jenery
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Nassim Haramein - Black WHole
http://vimeo.com/30784674
yep, if i rember well from his presentation that i have seen everything is made of tiny black holes, that is back to the macro and micro stuff, as above so below... love and peace to everyone
http://vimeo.com/30784674
yep, if i rember well from his presentation that i have seen everything is made of tiny black holes, that is back to the macro and micro stuff, as above so below... love and peace to everyone
This is what I mean by scientists can't see what's right in front of them. They keep looking farther into the past (the edge of the universe) to find answers that are staring them right in the face...
And yes fractals are the innate form of the universe(s). "As above so below" is the definition of fractals.
Love the cartoon with the Hadron Collider, except instead of aliens, it's ourselves creating this universe in the very near future. Now get your head around THAT concept and you're starting to see how it all works. Think of the Ouroboros above.
In the near future we create the past. It seems we are on the verge of creating this reality we live in. But then again we each create our own reality every moment...
yeah, "hard" evidence... like when "scientists" stated they knew how old was the universe...
"solid" evidence was actually an estimated guess basing themselves on the oldest measured light that reached the earth.
the real scientists laughed a good laugh when people bought the tales from the "scientists" pushing for more grants.
or the same "solid" "scientific" "proof" that the nazis used to teach germans about the concave earth. with instruments measuring the infra-red emanating from outer space, that "determined" our visible sun, moon and stars were within the earth and that we actually lived in the inner-surface.
this "science" is the new church; the old church would dismiss any criticism by the same modus operandi: "this dogma is backed-up with solid evidence and cannot be refuted"
people who did not buy into it were called heretics; nowdays, people who do not buy all the theoretical claims of science are called uneducated.
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Has anyone watched the new Greenhouse seeds videos?
Arjan sounds like Borat.
(I know, i am a little off topic, but anyway......)
Arjan sounds like Borat.
(I know, i am a little off topic, but anyway......)
Science is evidence based. Theories are hypotheses that have been tested and have evidence in their favor. If new evidence comes to light that modifies our understanding of previous evidence, a new theory is born.
This is much more believable, rational and reasonable than "intuiting" an answer, having no evidence for it and claiming it as truth anyway.
Just because someone claims to be a scientist does not make them accurate, honest or correct.
EVIDENCE is what determines the veracity of claims and evidence is the way to debunk those claims.
Anything else is just wishful thinking.
This is much more believable, rational and reasonable than "intuiting" an answer, having no evidence for it and claiming it as truth anyway.
Just because someone claims to be a scientist does not make them accurate, honest or correct.
EVIDENCE is what determines the veracity of claims and evidence is the way to debunk those claims.
Anything else is just wishful thinking.
