Weird change in tolerance

[demasoni]

I'm wondering if anyone else has gone through this...
Something changed in me lately, I'm now either completely intolerant of cannabis or have become very sensitive to certain types.
lower/medium quality rec weed I could previously tolerate now makes my head feel like its going to explode from pressure. racing pulse and thoughts, overwhelming paranoia. a "bad high" that feels like a harder drug in its onset (experienced this with different batches different types, and from two different people. less likely it was adulterated but possible)
Only other potential difference is I stopped taking an anti depress med (s n r i) a few months ago, and still feel like hell.
Doctors say no way its from stopping the med.

I hope true quality mmj can still help, but haven't had access to confirm. I'm fearful even quality MMJ may not work given the ongoing pressure in head I experience even without smoking. Interestingly my MDs haven't determined cause of pressure in head.

Anyone else experienced anything like this?

 

[Truthman]

I'm not sure what it is but it sounds like you aren't making enough substances in your brain and the cannabis is making it worse. I think you should go a day or two without puffing and on those days eat whole natural foods to get your carbs, protein, and fat. Something like rice, meat and some type of nuts or seeds(eat 2-3 ounces) will do. An important part of this routine would be to take 250mg-500mg of vitamin C with every meal so you can make a lot of chemicals in the brain and prevent the problems. Eat at least three times a day. Make sure you do some type of movement for at least 30 minutes like walking and get some sunlight as this also increases the amount of chemicals to be made in the brain. Once you start puffing again try to eat 1.5 hours before puffing . If you can't do that some fruit 15-30 minutes before puffing with the 250mg-500mg of the vitamin C is good enough for you to enjoy your highs. Have fun.

 

[Hammerhead]

how old are you?? we lose testosterone levels as we get older... I have the same issue as you do. I was going to do a test and get my levels back to what they use to be when I was 30. Then see if there is a difference in effect..

 

[TripleDraw27]

how old are you?? we lose testosterone levels as we get older... I have the same issue as you do. I was going to do a test and get my levels back to what they use to be when I was 30. Then see if there is a difference in effect..

You get spammed this commercial as well late at night? :big grin:
Im with you 100% though, in terms of test n stuff about that..

gl op, I hope you guys figure out the pressure. Did you just quit smoking?

 

[Hammerhead]

I dont have a clue what that is... When I spoke to my Doc he told me that I should start taking testerone my levels where low. Then he went into some blah blah about the whole thing..we start losing it when we are mid 30's..

 

[RetroGrow]

I dont have a clue what that is... When I spoke to my Doc he told me that I should start taking testerone my levels where low. Then he went into some blah blah about the whole thing..we start losing it when we are mid 30's..

DHEA is a supplement that works quite well.Restores hormone levels to that of a younger person.

 

[devilgoob]

You're experiencing paranoia and/or negative sympathetic nervous system response. The type of high that is mixed and dirty can cause feelings like this, or simply high thc, little to no CBD. Please switch to indica and report back. I am dead serious. It happens an I recognize it from what you tell me. Your heart beats, you breathe. I first thought it was because of exhilarating high getting me, but it's this response. Get body stoned and mind stoned, instead of tweaked. Get some indica and get right.

Yes, it takes the brain a while to shift after SSRI's or anything. Cannabis is a little different and for that reason, the best. I can quit anytime, and the only side-effect is I want to thrash and break through the computer screen...but that's just me.

Anybody chime in a tell me I am wrong and/or dispute things, because I was just on benzos and quit. The weed I was getting was random. Some shit would help me. Some would stimulate me too much. I could defintely tell some strains kick in JUST like xanax does. They help with anxiety almost like xanax. The other strains make you feel like you're speedin somewhat...strains with paranoia written on them.

hindu kush, blueberry, herijuana and hashberry I know for sure work for me. They give you that body high and your eyes relax. Also the MD's are stupid. That headache or pressure is increased cerebral blood flow and happens sometimes when quitting stuff or when you have anxiety. Or people going through psychosis, which isn't bad, it's natural to want to learn how to use other parts of the brain to protect oneself, but leaves you not feeling too homeostatic. High CBD strains protect from NMDA exictoxicity related brain damage that occur when areas are overactive like that. Most headachy feelings are in fact caused by stress and the increase CBF that happens because of it.

 

[Space Ghost]

Effexor?

 

[teemu shalanie]

just shoot up some juice ? or I am sure thier is a natural way like eating prarie oysters...... ?
TS

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Get some, Tongkat Ali root extract to shoot up your testosterone levels, but it won't shut down your natural testosterone production.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

You're experiencing paranoia and/or negative sympathetic nervous system response. The type of high that is mixed and dirty can cause feelings like this, or simply high thc, little to no CBD. Please switch to indica and report back. I am dead serious. It happens an I recognize it from what you tell me. Your heart beats, you breathe. I first thought it was because of exhilarating high getting me, but it's this response. Get body stoned and mind stoned, instead of tweaked. Get some indica and get right.

Yes, it takes the brain a while to shift after SSRI's or anything. Cannabis is a little different and for that reason, the best. I can quit anytime, and the only side-effect is I want to thrash and break through the computer screen...but that's just me.

Anybody chime in a tell me I am wrong and/or dispute things, because I was just on benzos and quit. The weed I was getting was random. Some shit would help me. Some would stimulate me too much. I could defintely tell some strains kick in JUST like xanax does. They help with anxiety almost like xanax. The other strains make you feel like you're speedin somewhat...strains with paranoia written on them.

hindu kush, blueberry, herijuana and hashberry I know for sure work for me. They give you that body high and your eyes relax. Also the MD's are stupid. That headache or pressure is increased cerebral blood flow and happens sometimes when quitting stuff or when you have anxiety. Or people going through psychosis, which isn't bad, it's natural to want to learn how to use other parts of the brain to protect oneself, but leaves you not feeling too homeostatic. High CBD strains protect from NMDA exictoxicity related brain damage that occur when areas are overactive like that. Most headachy feelings are in fact caused by stress and the increase CBF that happens because of it.

If you have adhd they give you speed because it has the opposite effect on you.

When you get anxious from smoking, speedy heart, nervousness, then a Sativa will have the same speed effect on you, and calm you down.

If you get weird when you smoke then indica's tend to make it worse.

At least those are my experiences.

 

[demasoni]

Truthman- about two months since I smoked daily. Last time I smoked was about a month ago. The month before that I only smoked a few times with same issues (all low quality stuff).
It is possible I’m dealing with some malnutrition

Hammerhead- Not old enough for that. It’s a little low maybe? 390 ng/dL
Are you also dealing with intense ongoing stress?

Spaceghost- Yes, the generic venlafax. Please share….

Devil goob- It does feel like the smoking increased the already elevated blood volume in brain, plus increased anxiety & paranoia. I hate that this change came seemingly out of nowhere other than stopping the medicine (three months now). I'd like to hear all you got about the brain adapting from meds etc



I want to avoid going on any new meds but I’m not sure if I can hold out until I’ll have access to MMJ. Under intense stress and not knowing for sure whats wrong doesn’t help. feels like my brain is dissolving. Sleep doesn’t restore me.
I’m so jumpy just a car alarm several houses away jerks me out of my sleep heart racing and shaking, adrenals try to fire but are simply burned out now.
This fight or flight has increased over 2.5 months and it seems maxed out now. Immune giving in as well.
Now uh, does that sound like bipolar to you? That’s why I question my MDs judgment. Believe me I’m going to see and listen to other doctors but I’m still curious about the experience of anyone here.

Anyone else gone fight or flight like this after stopping SNRI or SSRI meds?
Think it could simply be overwhelming stress taking its toll in addition to stopping the med?
Something else, like parasitic infection attacking CNS?

Dunno wtf to think anymore.
Thank you to everyone for your input so far.

 

[Space Ghost]

Effexor... that's the culprit, nothing else...


As I was reading the OP I thought "I have been through this exact situation, withdraws from effexor!"




Unfortunately, Those feelings will persist for about ~6-8 months and durring this time smoking weed (of any grade) will be uncomfortable and largely unpleasant overall... I continued to smoke during my withdraw period because it helped so many of my other symptoms, I just kept it to a minimum and actually preferred low-ish grade weed, because I could smoke more without freaking out...

It sucks, but IT WILL GO AWAY and you will enjoy cannabis the way you used to...

In the mean time you could talk to a dr. and tell him/her your situation (minus telling them about weed) and get a small dose of clonazepam or lorazipam (mild benzodiazapines) They will help with the symptoms you describe, just don't abuse them or let the dr.s push too much on you (they love to do that) because the process of getting off a benzo you've been on high doses for years fuckin' sucks... But If they taken for a short period and a low dose, like you will need, there should be no problem...

If you're a drinker, nevermind about the clonazepam of lorazipam... You will just have to tough it out....

 

[demasoni]

Spaceghost,
Do you know of a definitive way to verify or prove its that, like imaging? (for the doctors)
And do you think its the effexr even if after a few weeks of brain zaps I had a few days of feeling "better and all clear" ?? After those few "better days" period everything else kicked in as described, temp fluctuations, pressure in head/behind eyes, psychosis/aggravation, worsened anxiety/paranoia, weeks adrenal high, now weeks adrenal low etc..
Heres the scary shit,

Every single dr I see adamantly insists theres no way its from going off the effexr, and that discontinuation resolves itself in just a few weeks MAX, blah blah bullshit blah blah. They don't seem to have any knowledge of discontinuation syndrome and feed my anxiety of "what if its something more"...
they say stupid shit like "well its not in your blood stream anymore"
...
I'm going to try a little trick that's supposed to be a solid indicator that its discnt syndrome'
The next part is I've been on benzos before and had a feeling that now more than ever is an appropriate time for them. The catch again is getting a doctor who is willing to recognize the need for them, they are so paranoid of seekers/abusers and would rather put me on something long term that alters the brain more significantly (mood stabilizer etc)


Case still not closed, more feedback welcome

 

[Space Ghost]

Any dr. worth thier salt would know that a mood stabilizer (lamictal) an anti-manic (lithium) or an atipical anti-psychotic (seroquel) will fuck your shit up way worse then a low dose benzos...

I'm telling you, you may feel like you are completely insane and going to die and shit, but you won't.

Although there is no effexor in your blood, I am convinced it alters the neurotransmitters in some way or manor... and they need a lot of time to "heal" and get used to normal levels of norepinephrine....


Tell your dr to google effexor withdraw, the internet is littered with people complaining of the same shit!

 

[Truthman]

Trust me it sounds like you are low in neurotransmitters and maybe hormones that are made in the brain. Just do what I recommended and make sure you take vitamin C with the meals and you should start feeling a change within a day or two. The nuts and seeds(2-3 ounces a day) will really help also because they are high in the type of fats that your brain needs being that the brain is mostly fat. When you're fat goes down the function of the brain goes down. Being that you were taking meds that effect the neurotransmitters, it made your brain go out of sync I suspect and now it's trying to balance itself but you need proper foods and physical movement to help this happen smoothly. You'll be ok without taking any herb or medicine and in fact I advise you to not take anything until your brain becomes balanced once again.

 

[devilgoob]

After you quit a drug, it's like a bunch of rivers were flowing one way, now they are opposite and receding while other rivers open up.

Cannabis relieves a lot of people's headaches, because it increase ceberal blood flow. Just the blood that flows around in the head. When these vessels are small and they fill up fast, they can cause inflammation and pressure like a headache. Cannabis dilates blood vessels and also lets the brain know to flow in certain areas. This is why crap stuff gives you a headache..it isn't efficient at dilating things and the smoke does inflame tissues.

I would say get your fat acids from handful of nuts. A large portion of the brain is fats. These fats protect the brain and actually omega 3 helps with the cannabinoid receptor function. They can't come from you. They are essential fatty acids because you have to get them from the diet.

Besides that, working out will cause your neurotransmitters to go up and they will start flowing in a homeostatic way, as opposed to human thinking and worrying.

Another benefit besides raising all levels, you'll find a balance rather than having serotonin syndrome or being knocked out on klonopin.

The third benefit of working out, is when you're stressed and your fight or flight goes off accidently....your muscles and body are better at metabolizing them. If you don't use stress chemicals, they stay at levels that make you want to fight. This is why some people's valves from their hearts enlarge..stress caused blood to thicken and increase in pressure and over time it dilates and they have a heart-attack.

I hate to start up a workout. So I go for 20 minute jogs, then once my heartlung complex (cardio-pulmonary system) has flowed and grow vessels, then I can jog for 6 mile. This will not only sweat out salts and cause you to drink water, it'll also jump start the cleaning of toxins. Sometimes people pee a little..it's because their body is low on water, and it wants to pee out excess hormones.

A good way to hydrate is focused on drinking three glasses within an hour. Then once your pee is pretty clear, then your body will feel better. Many people are not hydrated and they eat instead. When you hydrate you use food better, because water is the solvent that holds those solutions.

Besides that, I have tried benzodiazepenes and they help with anxiety, but they're dangerous, shouldn't be used for long, have withdrawal syndromes, seizures stemming from that. I had brain shocks and movements and facial jerks and I felt a weird air around me when I was by people. Oh and when I quit, I didn't realize I don't eat if I don't feel hungry. Well I didn't feel hungry for 3 days and forgot to eat, literally. Benzo's increase gamma amino hybutric acid which is an inhbitionatory neurotransmitter. It makes up a 1/3 of all in the brain. It calms you down. It's a coping mechanism to self-calm that some can not stimulate the release naturally of Gaba. Alcohol also causes release of this, and a mother's breast milk contains benzodiazepines.

If you don't have the ability to self-calm, surely a muscular body holding you up will not even be afraid or have to react with fear or it will lessen the need to.

Working out reduces panic or nervous responses, by being able to be a stronger body and use those chemicals, rather than being pale and jittery because you want to use them but can't and they build up and toxify you.

I read a book toxic psychiatry and actually took drugs listed. I have studied a lot and am satisified wholly with my prescription drug use now...I no longer want to know what they do, because I know. I punched a wall on prozac (reacting to dangerous impulse) and have an even weirder anxiety around people now that I withdrew from clonopin. Kind of like a human getting shocked from something, but a true scientist would touch that something again to see if it will shock them to test it out of curiosity.

High CBD strains, increase serotonin, are antipsychotic and I along with others I've noticed paranoia with..gravitate toward indica especially hindu kush or blueberry. Mandala strains are used for these things also. Please don't smoke high-thc...it helps with mood, but ultimately stimulates positive symptoms like eccentric behavior or flight of ideas....while those things are fun...they rot the mind in ways.

And spaceghost is right, you're going to feel like you're going nuts, you might see weird phosphenes (little lights that appear and you look and they aren't there) and hearing is different. just attribute it to your senses going haywire and your mind telling you it senses something, but it's only a shock in the brain or misfire in the brain itself. Don't over react to anything, attribute it all to bullshit physical mind problems, and let your thinking mind sort it out.

 

[Bifurcatio]

I was on diazapam (valium) for 10 or 12 years. I had all kinds of physical and psychological symptoms. Finally, I recognized I was in denial (after 10 years of vet rap groups) of the extent of damage to my psychology that the Viet Nam war caused in me. In 1994 I went back to Viet Nam to make peace with the land and the people; the need for valium just faded away and I'm more or less back to normal after 25 years or so of psychosis. The point being, go back in your life and check to see if there is anything that has never resolved.

They say there are no recorded deaths from marijuana, but I had a negative reaction a couple of years after the VN war that almost killed me. I really overdid it with some new friends I met down in Mexico. These folks were veteran smokers and I tried to keep up with them. On the walk home (back to my palapa) I started freaking out. It got worse and worse, until finally I was running down the cobble stone street charging head first into cement telephone poles to try to stop the unwanted thoughts and hallucinations that were barraging me. The almost longest night (disregarding the war) of my life that completely incapacitated me for the next 2 days. Smoking a bit these days, I look back and attribute this reaction to being in denial of the VN war experience.

Just a couple of stories.

 

[demasoni]

edit: benzos are helping to alleviate "end of world" level anxiety while theres no MMJ.
However I still feeling insane fatigue, nerve pain, and weird new allergies to everything...
keep the theories comin.

On another subject, being free this long (couple months) without smoking quickly changes me. It happens anytime I take a break from the sweet herb, reverting me back to that mil industrial complex machine; desire for a license to kill.
If I go back to the smoke the desire's repressed. the benz meds leave me cold blooded and itching to just lay around behind the scope 24/7.
Anyone else feel torn that way? prior/current service members?

 

[demasoni]

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