Moving and setting up in Spain.

[buddymate]

So they sell clones openly

Only asked in 2 shops mate and they both said it would be arranged,its not blatant as "in your face" open,but they are there if you ask
Loads of growshops around.

 

[fomu]

Hi friend, some grow shops sell clones, but this are ilegal here....... two shops in my area are closed for this......... normally seeds selleds in Spain are for collection, no for germination, and clones are ilega, regards.

 

[bombadil.360]

the best you can do before a bullfight is smoke the most narcotic herb you can find, and smoke tons of it. then when the bulls come after you, we get to enjoy watching someone getting horned by bulls! yay! it's fun, someone try it next bull run, let us know before hand though so we can make a video of it.

 

[itsame]

I would love to make the move too. I am traveling all over Spain in July. Can't wait!

HGO, good on ya for hving a dream and making it come true! Good man.

 

[BillyBadGrower]

im making the move to. learning to speak spanish thru the bbc's web site. its like that rosetta stone thing, but for free

http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/spanish/

 

[growcase]

Haha, i'm doing same thing, i mean i'm already here, near Barcelona, but i'll go to the south too.
Who wanna live together PM me, i'm opened for new challenges

 

[Unistasis]

Thats not true...
Consumition of any kind of drugs in private places is legal...(house,private clubs)
Growing, planting weed is ilegal,,,, u can go to the court...
Possesion is ilegal,,, and u can have a ticket about 300€ to 6000€....

Is the double sense of our drug politics,,, u can consume in private places but u cant carry or planting?¿?¿

Still the south is a nice area for living... andalucia is amazing....
Agur

According to wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country

In regards to Spain:
"Buying and selling cannabis is a criminal offence punishable by law. Possession and consumption at a public place constitutes a misdemeanour and is penalized with a fine and confiscation. Growing the plant on private property for personal use, and consumption by adults in a private space is a constitutional right and hence not illegal."

I guess there will be a boom of cannabis growing north european young male adults resident in the south of Spain the coming years.

I myself, also plan on moving to Spain to grow cannabis legally, but I would like some more information on how the private growing business is, de facto.
Which cities or places are more tolerant to growers, how are newcomers welcome with growing, etc.
I understand that, as long as you can account for what you're growing, and that you can prove that you're not selling or the likes, you should be okay, as long as the cops don't have it in for you.

I have a lot of illnesses, and the only reason for moving to Spain, is to grow, so that I can juice cannabis.
(http://hightimes.com/legal/ht_admin/6907 highly recommended read)
This medicinal approach requires a lot of plant material. Dr. Courtney recommends having from around 30 to 45 plants going.
You maybe get away with a lesser amount when growing outside.

And thats mainly what I plan to do. Free sunshine.
Got no money to live for, so I plan on taking up a student loan and just find the easiest course available and not flunk.

I guess this is my first post.

 

[Unistasis]

Ahh, Málaga:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Da_Gibralfaro.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtts1JhCCpo

http://www.spain-holiday.com/Malaga-city

 

[stasis]

Often when one travels to another area, opportunities happen because one is new... Fresh, Wide-Eyed and Enthusiastic... It is Infectious..

Buena Suerte... Follow Your Dreams...!!!!

 

[mitch_connor]

I hear Barcelona is a very canna/grower friendly area..

I'm planning to go for a short-ish break and see for myself what the situation is, don't want to go in too deep without knowing the lay of the land so to speak

I imagine foreigners growing in spain could get the sharp end of the stick more often than locals?

Any icmag ex-pats out there growing at the moment??

Peace, mitch

 

[Unistasis]

Bumping this, because I'd really like to have more information and hear about other's experience.

I'm personally thinking about moving to the south of Spain.
One wants to thread lightly as others has mentioned, but if you're respectful and show that you specifically grow for medical reasons, maybe you would be met with a greater tolerance.

I can understand the locals and the Guardia may not take lightly on foreigners moving to Spain to "exploit" their laws, but heck, Spain at the moment needs all the money they can get.

They should legalize like the Basque Country to help with their national budget.

I see different opinions on different forums talking about a limit of all from three to five plants, as this, in some minds, constitutes the limit for "personal use".

As for juicing cannabis, which is my goal, I'd need to rely on being able to have at least several plants growing perpetually, to be able to get enough leaves for my daily dose (about 10-15 leaves).

I can't help but always coming back to the conclusion of the interpretation that is; what you do on your own property, is your private business, as long as you don't harm anyone. And that this privacy is your personal right, as it is a constitutional right.
I can't see how that can be interpreted to a limit of plants, at least when you're able to account for their use.

What about being open with your landlord and neighbours and telling them about your medical state and that you grow strictly for medical reasons?

I would like opinions from both natives and foreigners living in Spain.

 

[headband 707]

Spain

In Spain the possession and use of cannabis in public places is classed as a misdemeanour under public health laws and is punishable by fines and confiscation. Trafficking is a criminal offense.

One can be denounced for doing so by neighbors or ill-wishers, and the burden is then effectively on the user or grower to prove that the material is for personal use only.

In recent years a number of members' associations have been established throughout the country in an attempt to extend the boundary of the Spanish citizen's constitutional rights. In an association cannabis is grown and shared among the members. The association may not promote or be seen to encourage the use of cannabis and it must be a closed group for existing adult consumers only, distributing only small amounts regularly to each member (typically 10 grams per week) so as to prevent the possibility of trafficking. As well as a membership fee, members must pay for what they consume and prices may not be much different than on the black market.

Where the associations have come under legal challenge they have been able to surmount this, and in at least one case have secured the return of several kilos of confiscated plants. The umbrella group for cannabis associations in Spain is the Federación de Asociaciones Cannábicas: http://www.fac.cc/ and Politic Group:RCN-NOK Representacion Cannabica de Navarra: http://www.rcnavarra.org/

However, the autonomous Basque Country in the northern region of Spain has announced it is to legalise the sale and cultivation of cannabis to persons over the age of 18.[69]

 

[Unistasis]

Spain

In Spain the possession and use of cannabis in public places is classed as a misdemeanour under public health laws and is punishable by fines and confiscation. Trafficking is a criminal offense.

One can be denounced for doing so by neighbors or ill-wishers, and the burden is then effectively on the user or grower to prove that the material is for personal use only.

In recent years a number of members' associations have been established throughout the country in an attempt to extend the boundary of the Spanish citizen's constitutional rights. In an association cannabis is grown and shared among the members. The association may not promote or be seen to encourage the use of cannabis and it must be a closed group for existing adult consumers only, distributing only small amounts regularly to each member (typically 10 grams per week) so as to prevent the possibility of trafficking. As well as a membership fee, members must pay for what they consume and prices may not be much different than on the black market.

Where the associations have come under legal challenge they have been able to surmount this, and in at least one case have secured the return of several kilos of confiscated plants. The umbrella group for cannabis associations in Spain is the Federación de Asociaciones Cannábicas: http://www.fac.cc/ and Politic Group:RCN-NOK Representacion Cannabica de Navarra: http://www.rcnavarra.org/

However, the autonomous Basque Country in the northern region of Spain has announced it is to legalise the sale and cultivation of cannabis to persons over the age of 18.[69]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis)

That wikipedia article has been altered.

It originally contained some extra lines you can find here:

http://formenteraganja.blogspot.com/p/faq.html

"Is Marijuana legal in Spain?
In Spain the possession and use of cannabis in public places is classed as a misdemeanor under public health laws and is punishable by fines and confiscation. Trafficking is a criminal offense. However, the right to consume marijuana and grow plants for personal consumption in one's private property is protected under the Spanish constitution. In practice one can still be denounced for doing so by neighbors or ill-wishers, and the burden is then effectively on the user or grower to prove that the material is for personal use only."

In another article about the legality of cannabis, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country),
states:

"Buying and selling cannabis is a criminal offence punishable by law. Possession and consumption at a public place constitutes a misdemeanour and is penalized with a fine and confiscation. Growing the plant on private property for personal use, and consumption by adults in a private space is a constitutional right and hence not illegal."

 

[bombadil.360]

the best you can do if you move to Spain, is not to tell anyone about anything related to growing or using. the three Ls still apply: don't tell, don't sell, don't smell.

do you plan on living off savings or some other income not based in Spain? if so, that'd make it easier, but if you need a job, you'll also need spanish.

there are other threads here with the same questions you have asked, you can search for them, they are also in english.

good luck!

 

[Unistasis]

the best you can do if you move to Spain, is not to tell anyone about anything related to growing or using. the three Ls still apply: don't tell, don't sell, don't smell.

do you plan on living off savings or some other income not based in Spain? if so, that'd make it easier, but if you need a job, you'll also need spanish.

there are other threads here with the same questions you have asked, you can search for them, they are also in english.

good luck!

I'm not trying to argue, but as I understand, since what you do in your private home is seen as a constitutional right, which would include growing your own cannabis, why should one worry, if you can account for the use of the cannabis?

I again refer to:

"However, the right to consume marijuana and grow plants for personal consumption in one's private property is protected under the Spanish constitution. In practice one can still be denounced for doing so by neighbours or ill-wishers, and the burden is then effectively on the user or grower to prove that the material is for personal use only."

I understand some people may have different opinions on cannabis, but does not this constitutional right hold any water?
I also understand that spaniards are quite concerned about upholding this right, as it is valued highly, that what one do in his or her home, is no other business than their own.

But thanks for the tip, I'll certainly search more on this forum.

I plan to live on student loans if I can't find other solutions.
I'm in grave need of cannabis as a medicine, since this is the only thing that helps my conditions.

 

[mack 10]

bump, Anyone made the jump? i'm thinking about going to either portugal,spain or maybe Austria, i hear is also ganja friendly Uk sucks ball's. Mack.

 

[BillyBadGrower]

the sun is one of the reasons i want to go, but the main reason is that there are more cctv cameras in the UK than the other 26 EU Nations combined. Spain because not so long ago it was a fascist country but its not no more, rather than turning into a fascist country like the uk.

then theres the lifestyle, sitting in the sun all day getting stoned drinking booze admiring the view of the med listening to the waves. sounds like heaven to me and u dont need much money to do it

 

[headband 707]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis)

That wikipedia article has been altered.

It originally contained some extra lines you can find here:

http://formenteraganja.blogspot.com/p/faq.html

"Is Marijuana legal in Spain?
In Spain the possession and use of cannabis in public places is classed as a misdemeanor under public health laws and is punishable by fines and confiscation. Trafficking is a criminal offense. However, the right to consume marijuana and grow plants for personal consumption in one's private property is protected under the Spanish constitution. In practice one can still be denounced for doing so by neighbors or ill-wishers, and the burden is then effectively on the user or grower to prove that the material is for personal use only."

In another article about the legality of cannabis, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country),
states:

"Buying and selling cannabis is a criminal offence punishable by law. Possession and consumption at a public place constitutes a misdemeanour and is penalized with a fine and confiscation. Growing the plant on private property for personal use, and consumption by adults in a private space is a constitutional right and hence not illegal."

Hummm interesting lol

I realize Spain as in most decriminalized countries to put that in a broad sence has no tolerance for dealers and allows personal possession. Unlike Ireland which acts much like England with their outdated laws.. Where would I rather grow my bud?? sunny Spain where they don't seem to be as uptight ,, Stay safe headband 707

 

[944s2]

hiya all, i lived in spain during 84-86, a beautiful country [imho] with lovely people in my experiance also been on many holidays all over spain and her islands, i think if you have a "good" atitude,respect the locals,intergrate with spanish people, either speak spanish or at least try,it shows your making the effort,i found even if i completly bollocksed a word up, the spanish people will correct and help you, if i was moving out there long term, i would avoid british enclaves and make as many spanish friends as possible[that wont be hard] and be secure in your growing as you would be at home, sun good luck, adios s2

 

[bombadil.360]

uni, you can always take your chances and if you do get in trouble for being open about it, you can try to see how much water the whole privacy issue holds in court.

imo, it's best to lay low no matter where you are...

heard many stories from friends about thieves breaking in and stealing their plants etc...

the world is still not ready...

peace and good luck!