Vagabond shrugs the system... lives completely free, without money, or debt!

[Stoner4Life]

my comment on living off the land was in response to stoner4life talking about how suelo is just burdening society, and my belief that if we truly had the right to live off of the land, (which we don't) then he wouldn't be any effect to the overall society he could live and keep to himself without ever negatively affecting anyone else


peace,
Infi

I never said he was burdening society, YOU said that I said that but I never said that!

you've taken my words, placed them out of context and tailored them to fit the argument you'd like me to try to defend, that's called an AGENDA Infi, don't try that with me, I'm nearing 60 & originally from NYC, that means I've seen and heard ALL 'dis shit before.


I said.......

and when the time comes where he's too ill to live on the streets he'll become a burden to society by living off taxpayers dollars in hospitals and nursing homes

He's not a burden now, I never said that, I do however contend that later in life that's EXACTLY what he'll BECOME, the key word here being 'become'.

As you can tell I'm not feelin' the love for your favorite panhandler and he made no bones about being a panhandler when it was mentioned that he'll accept free offers, that's a fuckin' panhandler.

He's nothing butt (yeah I know) a bum w/a blog, if he didn't have that blog he'd fade into obscurity like every other bum does and btw he's NOT teaching anyone any lessons we don't already know.


HYPOCRISY:
He lives it by the very essence of his blog, a bum w/a blog.


TAXES:
I live in the country, not a city. My land is on a state highway, so which city nearby me is going to pay my road repair maintenance etc? Yeah some of my property taxes go to the highway system here. No city means no parking ticket revenues, permit fees and again, etc...


I love northern minnesota and will continue to pay into the system for the privilege . The nearest city to me is 5 miles north & then another 27 miles to the next city/town; going south it's 10 miles to the next city which is in the next county, I like it that way. Know what else I like? Living is so tough up here that people like Suelo don't/can't exist. My property borders an abandoned railway and 100 feet off the old rail grade is a long footpath still referred to in my (and others) property description as the 'cart path', no mistakes about it I live in the country not a city, we have a township board, it governs what goes on in the township (6 miles by 6 miles); this particular township has only a single small city within that 36 square miles, that city has a population of 130 residents.


Now all of that being said I do think that being as Pig Pen is 51 yrs old he may already have contributed to his rights to some social security benefits, I'm not saying he wants cash mind you just that whatever county eventually finds his broken down ass will likely apply for federal benefits against his social security account to pay for his hospital or nursing home care. it really sounds to me as though he contributed as little to the system as he possibly could throughout his life and I have ZERO interest in reading a bums blog in hopes of 'discovering' the real back story.

 

[Infinitesimal]

I'm not interested in reading his blog either, i look at the reason behind his whole experiment

I wasn't trying to argue i thought i said that.

I made a mistake is/will be... pretty trivial difference, but i edited it.

NO agenda, who am I to have any agenda?, especially one that would have any real world effect.

I honestly tried my best to extract what i thought were your points, that challenged what i believe to be true. and address them specifically, if i took something out of context I'm sorry, but its easy to do when we are not face to face and can't hear tone, inflection, body language etc. etc. So again if i took something out of context please feel free to put it back for me.

you did however not reply to any of the points or questions i posed, I know some of the questions were rhetorical, but if you disagree with such rhetoric then please disagree, and correct me where you think am i am wrong.

TAXES:
I live in the country, not a city. My land is on a state highway, so which city nearby me is going to pay my road repair maintenance etc? Yeah some of my property taxes go to the highway system here. No city means no parking ticket revenues, permit fees and again, etc...

well I'm sure that township has gas stations, so roads within that township would likely be paid for with taxes on fuel collected within that township, i doubt the surrounding towns you mentioned are going to contribute to your roads. And any county road or highway would come from county coffers lined from the gas stations within the un-incorporated parts of the county. State highways are funded by the state through the federal government by way of the federal reserve and I'm sure the state gets their cut of the gas tax as well.


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I love northern minnesota and will continue to pay into the system for the privilege . The nearest city to me is 5 miles north & then another 27 miles to the next city/town; going south it's 10 miles to the next city which is in the next county, I like it that way. Know what else I like? Living is so tough up here that people like Suelo don't/can't exist. My property borders an abandoned railway and 100 feet off the old rail grade is a long footpath still referred to in my (and others) property description as the 'cart path', no mistakes about it I live in the country not a city, we have a township board, it governs what goes on in the township (6 miles by 6 miles); this particular township has only a single small city within that 36 square miles, that city has a population of 130 residents.

I don't consider being able to reside somewhere as a privilege since... We are land mammals and need land to survive... so i don't think of the opportunity to survive as being a privilege, do you? lol. That is funny though, lots of people are programmed to look at it that way. To be thankful to authority for the privilege to live and survive, as long as we're willing to pay our dues at least. When its nature that deserves our praise, no man or government was responsible for the creation of humanity so why should they be responsible for the destiny of humanity, we should go back to a "more" Natural World Order.

again i thought we could debate this without arguing, i hope we can

I think it's imperative to question and challenge our own ways of life and society as a whole, in order to critically analyze them and understand them fully. if thats not for you then thats to bad, and that is your right. but I definitely i have no agenda

P.S. whats a "cart path"?

peace,
Infi

 

[Infinitesimal]

As you can tell I'm not feelin' the love for your favorite panhandler and he made no bones about being a panhandler when it was mentioned that he'll accept free offers, that's a fuckin' panhandler.

you must have missed this part vv

The point being nobody should be given anything without earning it, And nobody should have something they have earned taken from them

as you can tell^^^ I have no love for panhandlers, people that want something for nothing or feel entitled to anything.

 

[Stoner4Life]

just having some fun is all Infi.......

don't ever take me too seriously bro.


the guy feels dishonest buying a friggin' banana and yet he's willing to take food as a handout? imo he's nothing but a hypocrite and if anyone ever caught me giving him a banana it would only be in hopes that chokes on it.

oh my! did I say that?

 

[Infinitesimal]

no, never too serious that would be bad for our healths lol

I just wanted to touch bases and make sure we're on the same level,

peace,
Infi

 

[motaco]

I don't get why you think he is impressive.

Frankly I see this idea a lot on stoner websites and I don't understand why running away and withdrawing from life is something to look up to.

Currency isn't a conspiracy theory. Its an advancement of the barter system for a society that has grown too complicated to trade farm animals. How is a car mechanic supposed to get food in a barter society? Wait until the grocers car breaks down? No. He uses vouchers that our society agrees upon to show credits for the work he has done. We call it money and it works a lot better than trading chickens.

Frankly other than to teenagers who have no direction in life I don't see what the allure is of spending your life mooching off of other people. Bumming money other people worked for to pay for your own laziness, sleeping on friends couches until they ask you to leave, riding in other peoples cars to get where you need to go, eating out of dumpsters or taking what hand outs people give you. What a life.

I don't understand how getting a job is more spirit breaking than eating out of dumpsters and surviving by begging for handouts from people who do work for a living. I don't understand it I really don't.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

grass is always greener on the other side ain't it?


there are percs on either side. some people just don't want to play this game. every role is just a game that we choose to play. some choose to play the society game with all that comes with it, the pay to play system, name given at birth, ideology of the group ect.


In a real nature fight for survival situation its safe to safe 90% of the people walking around your cities today wouldn't survive. They don't have it in them to hunt and fight to live.

The person who goes rogue usually does it out of necessity, their mental state won't let them live peacefully in an authoritarian domination type society, so they move else where. If you are a bum and still in the city, well its not much of an upgrade, you drop out but are still freeloading off what you hate.

If you really want out, find a place that has abundant game year round, hospitable weather some what year round, a place for you to squat. that's right, its called squatting and its illegal hahaha...find some nice BLM land and keep your forts, farming and equipment hidden from sight especially from helicopter.

its possible, don't worry about the nay sayers, most of us are permanently entrenched in our games. Be bold, create your own if you can.


best thing you can do is spend your time learning usable skills, like tracking, hunting, fishing, farming, shack building. ect ect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think the hunter fighter era went out with Neanderthal.

 

[Minister]

He is a SADHU not necessarily one to follow, and not necessarily one who doesn't live apart from society, even though that is the objective.
I know that is a contradiction, a paradox so to speak.
Let me explain:
A Sadhu is a holy man, trying to reduce karma being put out, to a minimum.
When a rock is thrown in a pond it generates rings of waves, same thing with the decisions taken by all of us, in our everyday lives.
Our karma generates consequences we cannot comprehend.
In India it is believed that the Sadhu reduces karma for the society as whole, this is why they aren't considered bums, but holy. Drawing the 'no karma card' for all of us.
It is therefore a good deed to deliver handouts to your local Sadhu.

It is a misconception that karma can be good, all karma is 'bad' if you will, by keeping the wheel of life turning, generating endless rebirths, in to lifes full of suffering and grief.
No one has ever survived being born.
Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaa ?
Puf up.

By the way.
What this Amarican Sadhu is really doing, most effectfully with his blog and way of life.
Is holding up a mirror, making us reflect on our own lifes and the society we live in.
He is not saying, that he is right, nor that we are wrong.
Questioning one self and society is a good thing, and for doing that he deserves respect.
Having succeded doing so, is certainly proved in this thread.

The headline in the article, was probably what made me wonder the most.
Producing and consuming seems to be a duty and make up the very meaning of our lifes, whats up with that?

 

[bombadil.360]

the american sadhu! didn't Eddie Murphy already make a movie on that one?

 

[longearedfriend]

sadhus have been doing that in India for years

 

[supermanlives]

somehow i doubt those guys have a blog

 

[longearedfriend]

 

[supermanlives]

altho after watching anthony bourdian . they just might. he went to one and the guy pulled out a laptop to tell his future. priceless. everyone should see that episode even if you dont like tony

 

[supermanlives]

if you wanna shrug the system grab your shit and go all primitive. having a blog automatically disqualifies your from dropping out status. i bet 90 percent of people now couldnt live off the land. hell 70 percent prob cant butcher their own game.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

My football team sure knows how to butcher a game.

 

[Infinitesimal]

if you wanna shrug the system grab your shit and go all primitive. having a blog automatically disqualifies your from dropping out status. i bet 90 percent of people now couldnt live off the land. hell 70 percent prob cant butcher their own game.

I know you've heard of fish and game... good luck getting caught slaughtering an elk or even a dear with out, a hunting tag that you must pay out the ass for, i think id rather get caught with a huge gorilla grow than that.

peace

hash zeppelin. what are you a cowboys fan?

 

[longearedfriend]

good luck getting caught slaughtering an elk or even a dear with out, a hunting tag that you must pay out the ass for, i think id rather get caught with a huge gorilla grow than that.

this is what popped in my mind when I read that part of the phrase

 

[Minister]

Guerrilla gardening. The countermeassure to the war on drugs.
I bet most Sadhus don't have a blog, they do have the sticky black hashish though.
You know how it goes: better to have smoke in times of no money than...

 

[budpreacher]

that guy is living like a sadhu all he needs is a chillum and he'd fit right in with them