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What Is President Obama’s Problem With Medical Marijuana?

Al Botross

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For a brief moment in 2009, medical marijuana advocates exhaled. A new President had taken office promising to call off the federal prosecutors in states that had legalized weed for the sick. “What I’m not going to be doing is using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue,” Barack Obama had said during his presidential campaign. In his first year in office, the Justice Department told prosecutors not to focus on “individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana.” Medical marijuana patients and the growing industry that supported them thought they were in the clear.
But they weren’t. Two years later, the Obama Administration is cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries and growers just as harshly as the Administration of George W. Bush did. In 2011, the Department of Justice revised its guidance to U.S. Attorneys, allowing them to target any medical marijuana activity except for ill patients and their immediate caregivers. The Drug Enforcement Administration has made it clear that “medical marijuana is not medicine,” and even called it a “mortal danger.” The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms has banned the sale of guns to medical marijuana patients. The Department of Housing and Urban Development has told public housing authorities that they can’t rent to medical marijuana patients. And the Internal Revenue Service has reiterated its position that medical pot businesses cannot deduct expenses related to an illegal drug. Fearing federal intervention, many banks are now dropping medical marijuana dispensaries as customers.
(PHOTOS: Cannabis Culture in the U.S. )
In many states, U.S. Attorneys have advised state and local officials to back away from plans to create rules and regulations that would codify the medical pot industry, in some cases raising the possibility that lawmakers could be prosecuted for promoting drug use that is legal under state law. As a result, dispensary openings in states like Delaware, Arizona and Washington have been delayed. Colorado has abandoned a plan to provide legal financing for medical marijuana operations, and a northern California sheriff has been ordered to stop tagging plants as legitimately grown for medical use. In Oakland, the city council was forced to abandon a plan for creating warehouse-sized medical marijuana growing facilities. At the same time, U.S. Attorneys have been seeking the closure of dispensaries in California and Colorado without any demonstration that there are violations of state law. There are no public government statistics about the scale of these efforts, bu medical marijuana advocates say Obama Administration raids on medical pot are happening at a greater clip than in the second term of George W. Bush.
This has created a clear disconnect between the policy on the ground, and the public statements of officials in Washington. Back in December, Attorney General Eric Holder reiterated his claim that only medical marijuana operators that are behaving outside state law would be targeted by federal officials. (His statement was brilliantly hard to parse: “If in fact people are not using the policy decision that we have made to use marijuana in a way that’s not consistent with the state statute, we will not use our limited resources in that way,” he testified before Congress.) More recently, Obama told Rolling Stone, “The only tension that’s come up—and this gets hyped up a lot—is a murky area where you have large-scale, commercial operations that may also be supplying medical marijuana users.”
This isn’t the whole story. Over the last few weeks, I have talked with nearly a dozen people in the medical marijuana business, three U.S. Attorneys, White House officials and local officials who oppose the federal crackdown for a story that will appear in this week’s newsstand issue of TIME. The answer on the ground is, predictably, far more complicated than either medical marijuana advocates or the Obama Administration is willing to describe. And it all comes down to this: Despite Obama’s promises during the 2008 campaign, federal prosecutors have lost faith in the ability of state and local officials to control a booming commercial industry for a drug that is still illegal to grow, possess or sell under federal law. As a result, a once broad exemption from prosecution for medical marijuana providers in state where it’s legal has been narrowed to a tiny one.
(MORE: How Marijuana Became Mainstream)
Furthermore, the fact that state laws clash with federal law in 16 states and the District of Columbia makes it all but impossible for state and federal law enforcement to work together cooperatively to develop a functional system for what Obama still claims to support: access to medicinal marijuana for the legitimately ill in states that approve of the practice. So the nation is left with an uneasy status quo: The federal government is not trying to eliminate medical marijuana altogether, but it has decided that it cannot stand for the commercialization or large scale production of marijuana for the stated purpose of helping the sick, even when that production is technically within the bounds of state law.
This has resulted in cases like the IRS action against Harborside Health Center, an enormous dispensary in the San Francisco Bay Area, which has more than 100,000 patients and annual sales of $20 million. There is no evidence that any of its activities have violated state or local law, but the IRS has filed a civil suit that could shutter the dispensary within months, claiming that it cannot deduct any expenses related to an illegal operation. The Obama Administration’s stance has also led to the closure of Divinity Tree, a much smaller dispensary in San Francisco, with about 7,000 patients, which received a letter the local U.S. Attorney last year asking its landlord to evict its tenant for operating within 1,000 feet of a playground, even though it was permitted to operate at the location by the city Department of Health. (The playground was also directly across the street from an all-nude dance club with pictures of “Naughty Hotties” on its facade.)
Both Divinity Tree and Harborside are technically non-profit, and their managers have protested that they have done everything they can to stay within the letter of the law. But Justice Department officials speak of such operations with disdain, given their scale, the sheer volume of sales and production they facilitate, and the largely unmonitored local regulations to prevent the resale of their product to recreational users. In San Francisco, for instance, patients with a legitimate doctors note are allowed to purchase up to 1 ounce of marijuana a day, far more than any individual can consume, from any single dispensary. There is no limit on the number of dispensaries they can patronize at any one time. The dispensaries say they are very strict about self-policing, and train their staff to identify patients who may be abusing the system.
(PHOTOS: Inside Colorado’s Marijuana Industry)
In a different world, prosecutors might try to work with local and state officials to improve the regulation and oversight of such operations, but that does not seem possible at the moment. The U.S. government lacks the resources to investigate such dispensaries or screen its customers, and it is on shaky legal footing if it tries to negotiate circumstances for the permitted use of a substance that is illegal under federal law. So prosecutors are making the de facto assumption that large operations are inherently bad operations. They are also choosing to use other measures—like proximity to schools or playgrounds—to guide their enforcement actions, even in the absence of evidence that the dispensaries are contributing to the delinquency of children.
At the same time, there is broad agreement in the federal law enforcement community that self-described medical marijuana operations have been feeding the illegal recreational marijuana market, which President Obama has always opposed, despite his own admission of having used the drug in his youth. In Colorado, for instance, public school suspensions for drug use, mostly for pot, have been rising since the expansion of dispensaries, and there are some studies that show relatively high percentages of recreational users are getting their product from medical pot patients. At the same time, the Justice Department has seen evidence of a growing interstate trade of recreational marijuana, from Colorado and California in particular, which clearly raises a federal issue, and there is an ongoing problem of violent crime that tends to follow the pot business, given the amount of cash at play and the ease of reselling the product on the black market.
Again, in a different world, the federal government might work with state and local officials to more tightly regulate the growing of marijuana for medical purposes. But since pot is illegal under all circumstances under federal law, the opposite has been happening. Attempts, particularly in California, to more tightly regulate and thereby provide greater legal protection for the drug, have been shut down by the federal government.
The result is the opposite of what Obama promised during his 2008 election. Rather than reduced tensions between federal officials and their state and local counterparts, the tensions have been increasing. This has been complicated further by decisions in states like California, and communities like San Francisco and Denver, to officially reduce law enforcement focus on recreational marijuana use, a position that Barack Obama never claimed to share. In California, for instance, possession of a small amount of pot is no longer a misdemeanor, but an infraction, the legal equivalent of a parking ticket.
(MORE: America’s War on Drugs Drives High Incarceration Rates)
And so, medical marijuana is left in a no man’s land. Individual sick users are safe from prosecution, but they are likely to find it harder in the coming months to get the drug. Growers and dispensers are not protected by state law from federal prosecution, especially if they become large enough to get noticed by federal investigators. And the likely result is that more of the medical marijuana industry will be pushed underground in the coming years, making it more difficult for local officials to track the business. This arguably will only increase some criminal activity, as large amounts of money and a very profitable commodity move through the system by way of small-time dealers working without sophisticated security systems.
“The problem is that we have a drug policy that is broken,” San Francisco’s District Attorney George Garcón told me. “As a country we are being almost bipolar when it comes to drug policy.” A former San Francisco Chief of Police, Garcón is critical of the recent crackdown by the Department of Justice, which he says will make it harder for local officials to do their job. But he also sees no real hope for resolving the conflict until state and federal politicians come together to deal with the conflicting laws. “You can’t resolve this under the current legislative scheme,” he told me. “What this really screams for a cohesive national policy.”
But there is no such policy on the horizon. Obama has shown little interest in elevating the issue. Some in federal law enforcement–and at the Office of National Drug Control Policy–hope that the advent of new pharmaceutical replacements for grown medical marijuana, like the Canadian drug Sativex, will make the entire issue moot in the coming decade. But that looks unlikely in the short term, given the lack of concern among the general public with medical marijuana. A 2010 poll by the Pew Center for the People and the Press found that 73% say they favor “their state allowing the sale and use of marijuana for medical purposes if it is prescribed by a doctor.”
In other words, don’t hold your breath for clarity anytime soon. The haze is here to stay.


Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/0...problem-with-medical-marijuana/#ixzz1tuZMWVQn
 

Greeco

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MMJ is the wrong direction now. It's time to end prohibition imo. Sick of riding the "medical" label. People like to consume a drug that has little to no harmful side effects and no hangover. Cannabis will always be desired. Until the federal government accepts that they will continue to lose out on lots of tax money. With the growing acceptance it will be hard the feds to do anything about it. The people have spoken!!

BTW I do understand that cannabis has some medicinal effects but it should be free to use by everyone.
 

subrob

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There were many people who warned that medical mj was going to be a major obstacle to outright legalization..to many it seemed a quicker way to keep people out of jail..and i think that is true..regardless..its out of our hands now..the politicians have smelled the money and mj is going to get sucked into the system...i teresting to see where we will be in 5 years..
 

FoCo(No.Co)

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The problem is that pharmaceutical companies gave him millions of dollars to get elected and he needs their money again this time around. The same reason that we didn't get real health care reform.
 

paladin420

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In answer to the original question? He is a douche. Actually a used douche bag,as a douche does serve a purpose. He does not. IMHO of course ;)
 

funkervogt

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Obama doesn't have a hardon for keeping pot illegal, he just doesn't see this as a fight he can win in the next four years.

He doesn't have any control day-to-day operations of the justice dept. He can tell them "hey don't bust legit state operations" but someone with a grudge may find (and have found) ways to bust a dispensary under some other guise, like interstate trafficking.

You have to remember this guy is largely an outsider trying to make change in a massive, entrenched bureaucracy. He's going to do what he thinks he can get done in the time allotted, and while we may believe ending the drug war to be the most crucial path, he clearly does not. This, as they say, is no longer in his wheelhouse.
 

Mr. Bongjangles

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Perhaps cities like Oakland, with dollar signs in their eyes, shouldn't have rushed to approve insanely huge grows, pretty much forcing the Obama administration to back off on their lenient policy.

Further, a lot of the recent crackdown is going on in Cali, where the federal prosecutors have stated they are going off on their own. Likely knowing that with the election coming up, Obama really can't fire or censure them for "doing their job" or whatever it is without being slammed by the right.

I am kinda playing the devil's advocate here cause I think Obama's handling of this issue, especially his recent BS statement on the topic, has been pretty shitty. I do think these things are factors that need to be considered though.
 

MIway

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In answer to the original question? He is a douche. Actually a used douche bag,as a douche does serve a purpose. He does not. IMHO of course ;)


He's not the douche... He's the pussy.

Look, ya have thge twin towers and a total economic meltdown and a voter populace totally fed the fuck up... If that isn't a mandate-perfect opportunity to make fundamental and real changes to an all around fucked the fuck up situation...??? Could have accomplished so much, but didn't want to alienate the entrenched. Pussy of a man, pussy of a president... Totally wasted opportunity in our history.

Anyway, so many other fish he could-should have fried over mmj... Tho the criminal justice for profit system in america has to rank top 5 in issues. He had the mandate for change... Pussed out.

Shit, he can't even keep his ag and prosecutors in check... Let alone just reclassify mj off sched 1. Don't stir that pot! Might not get re-elected. Pussy
 

motaco

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MMJ is the wrong direction now. It's time to end prohibition imo. Sick of riding the "medical" label. People like to consume a drug that has little to no harmful side effects and no hangover. Cannabis will always be desired. Until the federal government accepts that they will continue to lose out on lots of tax money. With the growing acceptance it will be hard the feds to do anything about it. The people have spoken!!

BTW I do understand that cannabis has some medicinal effects but it should be free to use by everyone.


You guys saying MMJ is the wrong approach are WAY off base. For god sakes its the only thing that has EVER worked and pushed forward the marijuana culture at all. There has been tremendous success. A few minor set backs and you are ready to go in a new direction? That is how they screwed us over this whole time.

They are trying to make the laws harsher for a real reason. Because we are winning, and its for the first time. Ever. MJ access is higher than ever, the quality is higher than ever, its more openly done than ever, and more states are choosing to have MMJ than ever.

So what if you have to fill out a few forms? Its the dispensary owners who are getting themselves in trouble and there is NO reason you have to approach the market via dispensaries except in NM and one or two other states where they don't allow home growing. That is a monumental shift in the law. You want to back down from an issue that for the first time ever managed to let people grow reasonable amounts of weed in their own homes legally? In order to chase an idea (full legalization) that has never worked anywhere in this country? At a time when 16 states have medical marijuana programs and most of them allow home growing? That is almost a third of the country. More will inevitably follow.

The genius of MMJ is that it allows politicians who have been touting the evils of cannabis for twenty or thirty years (often times not even believing it themselves) to have a loophole to back out of what they said. They aren't going to tell people they were talking bullshit for three decades to get elected, so they need a way to backhandedly sidestep away from decades of propaganda to appeal to the sensibilities of a different generation of voters.

Medical Marijuana allows that. It has the ability to portray normal adults using cannabis responsibly, in a matter that is nobody else's business. "Legalization" is still an idea with all the same negative connotations applied to it. 20 year old trust fund kids with dread locks having drum circles and playing didgeridoos outside of overpriced coffee shops. Which unfortunately is an easy message to sell to the conservative opponents. A clean cut Iraq veteran who uses marijuana to alleviate back pain from an IED or to deal with PTSD is a much easier product to sell to right wing conservative audiences. And a much easier product to garner support with among politicians.

The idea of abandoning the only idea we have ever had that worked because of a few minor setbacks? Unreal to me. MMJ is the thing behind the changing opinion of marijuana in the country. Opinion polls have never been higher.

I hope you were super stoned when you thought that up.
 

Warped1

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Medical was always the wrong way to go.....

Still vilifying a plant

Its as benign as caffeine

I always believed medical was at least a way to go, a foot in the door. Changes can be made later, whatever. I honestly think that anyone who believes marijuana will be outright legalized..no taxes or anything, is dead wrong. Do I think it should be that way? Hell no, but just try to stop the greed machine that is the U.S. government.
We don't get to make the rules, we just have to find a way around them imo. There are folks in this world that need access to good medicine and we shouldn't forget that.
Cannabis isn't going to go away..just do what you do. Grow safe
 

motaco

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The idea in general, that politicians will not only support and pass, but craft legislation for the outright legalization of marijuana is very quixotic. Idealist and unrealistic.

A major part of the reason that right wing social issues consistently fail is that republicans imagine a perfect world and then create laws for what would work in that world if it existed. Its a constantly failing strategy. For example n the face of rising teen pregnancy their answer is teaching abstinence instead of birth control. As though teens in this day in age are going to abstain from sex until marriage. It is just not reality. In the world we live in that is not going to work.

Likewise... If the goal is for progressing the availability, and legality of marijuana and your proposal is for promoting full legalization you really aren't any different than those fathers who think making daughters sign a chastity pledge will stop teen pregnancy in the country. Pretending you live in a different world won't change the reality of the situation around you. MMJ has had tremendous success. The legalization movement has not, and carries no where near the support as MMJ, especially among politicians and the social elite who actually have the power to change the laws or influence how and on who the laws will be implemented on. We have numerous and powerful enemies. Its important to choose our battles wisely.
 

Mtn. Nectar

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as a local sheriff put it ....."it's not about the medicine it's about money"..........

and greed is the prob......a human trait that comes from hoarding food.........................

to regulate is to control and there is enough of that already in this so called FREE country........it's too bad more folks can't control themselves for the better of all......



Willie Nelson for Pres...!

ganj on..................
 

zymos

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"except in NM and one or two other states where they don't allow home growing."

Not true about NM. It is a separate permit you have to apply for tho....
 

devilgoob

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Not that anybody wants the truth....simply they want to bitch.

1) Obama is not informed himself.
2) Obama wants it to be a scientific decision, but the FDA who makes sure everyone gets pills and red dye 40 will somehow change it's status to medical use, because it's not for two reasons.

a) It has over 80 different cannabinoids.
b) It's smoked.

But we all know, they dont know specific mechanisms of how other meds work, so why do they care about 80 cannabinoids we have been using for thousands of years with no dying. Well everyone died basically when they were supposed to.

Smoking? Could be vaped.

Then there is drugged driving, which would make blood drawing a thing. Mostly pills are not abused so much as alcohol, so something like marijuana would have to be "not recreational".....

but "not recreational" doesn't mean "not fun"

Benzodiazepines make you calm and give you a feeling of satisfaction and could be considered recreational.

A users taking hit by hit, cannot medicate, a doctor does not think so, because you smoke till you are high. But if you take a pill without or without food, because you can...the effects are different.

Their pills tie up the metabolism pathways in the body.

Another reason is it's medicine you can grow. Another is that marijuana causes exacerbation of positive symptoms of psychosis in those whom were already prone to psychosis and there are so many ghost disorders.

I believe most weird cannabis effects come from a plant that fucks a person up, but the cannabinoid profile is off. A hybrid plant might give you a good high, but an indica might be the "stone" you are lookin for. If you quit it while using it, you can throw up.

The hyperemesis thing I am researching, and it has a lot to do with using cannabis that is matched to how you feel. Many people already have brains and bodies with a balance, and we smoke too much.......OR we smoke to little..(smoking very little doesn't drown out my constantly on mind) or they have periods or not smoking,

So I wonder if the people getting these effects, there are quitting and starting again too much and using the wrong cannabis. The reason they are using the wrong cannabis, is because the CBD is a cure for a lot of stuff.

CBD is a super anti psychotic. It beats out other anti-psychotics and with less symptoms.

I believe timing cannabinoids in a sequence beginning with the outside of the pill would be able to swtich more signals and do things better to reverse the nerve trends (reverse channels).
 

MIway

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Devil... I wish that were the case... A more reasoned and rational approach to the weed... Even scientific research based... Wouldn't that be great? To not politicize and demonize it?

Its money... Those threatened by the potential losses mj represents to their markets and products and services. Demonizing it is but a tactic. Going rational in the evaluation and handling of the weed...? Last thing they want.
 
Well Mr Obama Works for the Global bankers not the people!! Marijuana is one strongest currancy"s also! Intrest and inflation free!!!We all can grow it our back yard! It would be if you had a GoldStandard plant!! That would be illegal also!!! Simple as that. Well its alot more complex but that is the jist of it !!!!
 

zymos

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If we could all grow it legally in our backyards, it would have as much value as currency as tomatoes.

Which would be a great thing, IMO....
 
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