Colloidal silver question

[mriko]

Greetings everyone !

I've got a nice home-made cross which I'm testing right now and found a particularly yummy individual which I decided to use and give a try at cloning. Works nice so far, but my installations are definitely not, yet, the best one to keep a healthy mother plant for long time. Therefore, I'm thinking about making seeds and particularly feminized seeds.
I'm thinking about using colloidal silver, but I'm just at the start of studying and reading what needs to be read and known about the stuff and its use, and me to have this basic question :

Can I use colloidal silver solutions, such as those sold for therapeutic uses ? I found a place selling some dosed at 10mg per liter, or 15mg per liter. Is this ratio sufficient for this kind of use on plants ?


Irie !

 

[Jaymer]

i have read that the silver particles are not enough with over the counter's

a homemade slightly toxic batch is probably what your looking for

 

[LionPaw]

you can make your own colloidal silver generator very easily. there are a few threads about it on here. you can also find a great deal of info on it from google.

BASIC COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATOR

PARTS NEEDED:

Two, 6" lengths of .999 pure silver flat 3/32" wide wire.
Two alligator clip leads, approximately one foot long, of 18 to 22 gauge stranded wire.
One 16 oz. glass jar.
One small eyedropper type bottle for saline solution.
Three, 9 volt batteries (normal radio or smoke alarm size).
One gallon jug of distilled water - not tap water.
MAKE SALINE SOLUTION AS FOLLOWS:

Mix one level teaspoon of sea salt with four (4) ounces of distilled water.
Fill eyedropper bottle with saline solution and store the rest in the refrigerator.
(After the first batch of colloidal silver is made, a few drops of CS in the saline solution will prevent bacterial growth.)

TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER:

1. Snap the three batteries together in series: ( + - + - + -) (One of the batteries will appear upside down.) The batteries can be attached to a board with velcro straps to hold them in place.
2. Add 16 ounces of distilled water to jar or glass (tall and narrow is better than short/wide).
3. Place silver wires over open mouth of jar.
4. Make sure the two silver wires don t touch!
5. Attach clip leads to the two silver wires.
6. Attach the other ends of the clip leads to the two exposed terminals on the battery pack.
7. Add 4 drops of saline solution to glass or jar (to improve conductivity of the water).
8. Set an audible timer for 10 minutes. You will notice one silver wire (cathode) releasing hydrogen bubbles and the other wire releasing a grey cloudy "mist" into the water (anode +).
9. Disconnect the clip leads after 10 minutes.

A. You now have a 5 to 7 ppm solution of colloidal silver. There is no apparent benefit in making a stronger solution.
B. With a pint jar you can make 16 ounces of colloidal silver in 10 to 14 minutes.
10. Leave the dark oxide on the anode wire. Do not clean it off until immediately before using it again for the next batch, but use it as the cathode next time to even out the wear on the wire.
11. Store colloidal silver in dark brown glass bottles (32 oz large mouth beer bottles with screw caps work well). DO NOT store colloidal silver in metal or plastic containers.
Store the bottles of colloidal silver in a warm dark place away from sunlight: colloidal silver is photosensitive and may change chemically. Shake or swirl bottle before each use.
12. It is important that colloidal silver be made in distilled water.


These directions are for colloidal silver for human consumption. i would make it stronger for use in breeding.

 

[someotherguy]

here ya go man, read this and all your questions will be answered.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=60610"]Yayyy! My first colloidal silver generator (photo) [/URL]by PhenoMenal

...oh yeah, the original poster, PhenoMenal is still active in the thread to answer questions, plus, he updates the information at the beginning of the thread so new people don't have to read the entire thread to gain a working knowledge of the process. ...it's still worth reading the whole thing but because of PhenoMenal's efforts now you don't have to to get started.

peace, SOG

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

I've dabbled a little bit.. IMO, Dont F-around with collodial, it is hit and miss. And its a pain in the ass. You have to make litres of F-ing solution like a whole lot stronger than that store solution, then yer going to have to spray it for 2 weeks before flowering, twice a day and then for 2 weeks into flowering twice a day for it to really work if it actually does in my opinion and experience. My strains must be hard to turn tho.. The buds rot and pollen isn't too viable cuz of all the spraying. And in my experience, if you dont get jewellers 99.9 % stuff your plants just F-out due to copper or cobalt etc poisoning. I will never wear impure silver jewellery again after seeing what 92% silver did to some babies in ionic solution!!!
So dont F-around with collodial, just go for the STS, Bang a week before flowering, when you switch and then a week after, 3 sprays thats it. Cover your soil with newspaper cuz it kills roots otherwise I had less toxic issues with my plants with STS. You will have he/she with that method and there will be lots of viable pollen.

 

[VerdantGreen]

actually colloidal silver is much less toxic if you follow the correct procedure. you can also buy 30 ppm CS online from some places and that works well if you dont want to make it.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Less toxic though, but requires a lot more applications and IMO my plants seemed to stress more.. STS makes them drop a few leaves then they recover fine.. Collodial silver is far less toxic to us so use safety precautions with STS. STS is more surefire though and more cost-effective. Buying collodial to spray when you have to do it daily for 2 weeks or even twice daily can get expensive. I sprayed my cheese for 3 weeks twice a day with a very strong homemade 99.99% silver collodial and it just laughed at me and I got moldy bud for hash. It forced me to get STS and I got a 10 year supply from a chem supplier here for cheap. I first killed a plant by not covering roots up but once I figured that out, 3 applications with STS and I had a healthy cheese with big cola's of male flowers for collection. I will not waste my time again lol..

 

[someotherguy]

coloidal silver is easy as shit to make and cheap as shit to make too, ...but like anything else there is a learning curve.

so if it doesn't go well it isn't because it doesn't work, it's because you did something wrong, ...which is WHY i posted the link in my previous post.

...and it's not NEARLY as toxic as some would have you think.

peace, SOG

 

[VerdantGreen]

i used very small plants for reversing with CS and it took a 10ml fine sprayer full once every day or two for about a month to get them both to produce pollen.

the cheese cut is very hard to reverse apparently, it was held up as an example of a 'true female' until recently (as in one not capable of making male pollen)

but if you were making CS at home and didnt use pure .99 silver then there's your problem.

VG

 

[mriko]

nice, thanks everyone for your replies & insights.

mjismf, excuse this dumb as question, but what is STS ?

Also, I happen to have some pure owdered gibberelic acid at home, which can be used to make fem seeds as well, right ? Is this product easier to use ? Any difference in effisciency ?

Irie !

 

[jump117]

I had my own sequential series of experiments a couple of years ago.
At each stage, a part of female plant was treated with silver to produce feminized pollen,
while its other part was pollinated with feminized pollen from a previous run for obtaining fem seeds.

The illustrated report is available on the link in my signature.

Produce yourself CS is easy, although there are some details.
Before I started to make colloidal-ionic solution myself, I tried unsuccessfully to apply the finished product from the pharmacy.
The label has been written that its 50 ppm.
It did not work because it was a fake, which a lot of proposed on the market.
The quality this preparation is not controlled by any supervising authorities,
since it is not considered a medicament, and is in the gray area of alternative medicine.

If you do decide to take a chance to use the purchased CS, then I recommend checking it simple test of kitchen salt.

You may detect the presence of Ag+ ions by adding some salt.
Ag+ ions catches Cl- ions from salt and forms insoluble AgCl visible as a milk.
That’s why Cl is not wanted in CS, it desactivates Ag+ ions.

As for the use of CS and STS (Silver ThioSulfate), acting element is the silver ions.
When working with the STS, the solution also contains ions of acidic residue,
they make a poisonous solution of STS, in contrast to CS safely solution for your health.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

STS (Silver ThioSulphate) has safety concerns that collodial silver doesn't have so follow safety precautions like you would with spraying poisons and cover the soil underneath where you are spraying as it causes root damage. But it doesn't F-around and is much less of a mission once you've gone to the mission of getting some.

 

[TGT]

Someone onse told me Asperin tablets in water would reverse a female - I laughed, but it is always in the back of my mind. I really don't think it would workm but has anyone heard this rumor before? Thanks!

TGT

 

[jump117]

here ya go man, read this and all your questions will be answered.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=60610"]Yayyy! My first colloidal silver generator (photo) [/URL]by Ioni Botani

...oh yeah, the original poster, IB is still active in the thread to answer questions, plus, he updates the information at the beginning of the thread

Original poster of that thread is PhenoMenal not Ioni Botani.

 

[someotherguy]

Original poster of that thread is PhenoMenal not Ioni Botani.

you are right sir and i stand corrected, Ioni Botani is the author of *The K.I.S.S. Method* thread.

...the rest of what i said in that post is still accurate though as Phenomenal is also still active in his thread and, like Ioni Botani, he updates the beginning of his thread for the new people reading the thread.

SOG

 

[jackel]

I have a question and don't think it's worth starting its own thread. I have been researching and trying to make CS. I tried a 9v 20ma adapter. Used .999 pure silver and distiller silver. Let it run about 3 hours and I could see the silver milking up the water. Tested it with a brand new tds/ppm meter and it only read 4-5 ppm. A this point the water started to turn brown. At about 4 hours I pulled the plug. Still was reading about 4ppm
I got a .9999 coin and cut it in half. Attached to 4 9v batteries in series. Let it run about 3 hours and it too turned brown but tested at about 23ppm
I don't know if it will still work or not. I treated my plant twice with this mix. Not sure what I'm missing. Iv read 50ppm is better but I can't seem to get my ppms to get there on my pen. Any ideas or help?

 

[someotherguy]

I have a question and don't think it's worth starting its own thread. I have been researching and trying to make CS. I tried a 9v 20ma adapter. Used .999 pure silver and distiller silver. Let it run about 3 hours and I could see the silver milking up the water. Tested it with a brand new tds/ppm meter and it only read 4-5 ppm. A this point the water started to turn brown. At about 4 hours I pulled the plug. Still was reading about 4ppm
I got a .9999 coin and cut it in half. Attached to 4 9v batteries in series. Let it run about 3 hours and it too turned brown but tested at about 23ppm
I don't know if it will still work or not. I treated my plant twice with this mix. Not sure what I'm missing. Iv read 50ppm is better but I can't seem to get my ppms to get there on my pen. Any ideas or help?

man, go back and find my first post in this thread where you will find a link to a long running thread/tutorial on making your own coloidal silver.

...i promise, in that thread you will find answers to all your questions.

peace, SOG

btw, i can tell you right now that you didn't run your cs generator for long enough to make a solution strong enough to do you any good. ...now go read that thread grasshopper so you can learn how to do it right.

 

[jackel]

I read u waited 12-24 hours.
I have read where people achieve 50 ppm in about 40 mins. Iv read where people say to wait 6-7 hours
Iv read to clean diodes every 10 minutes.
Iv read that leave it overnight. (if u have to clean ever 10 mins that's a looong day)
These are just someof the contradictions I have read in the past 3 days.
Iv read to use 9v power adapter. Iv read use 1 9v batter. Or 3 9v batteries.
Some people say u can use 12v. Some say use low milli amps" some say it doesn't matter.
Just trying to find the answer.

 

[jump117]

Whenever an increase in the concentration of ions is stopped,
I would recommend to clean the electrodes and strain the solution through a paper coffee filter to remove the metal dust.

 

[marijuanamat]

I just use an old 12v phone charger with 2 99.99% silver wire i got of ebay for £3 and i leave that over night and that works for me...Just keep it simple