5Lbs/1Kw Challenge-The Quest for 80 Zips with Galactic Grape

[FlowerFarmer]

I don't understand all the negativity that's been put up here...

His goal is 5lbs from 1000w...people cannot help be negative...its a fairy tale yield. Most average 1lb-2lb per 1k so to hear someone claiming they hit 4lb shooting for 5 can rustle some feathers.

I personally think this number is dreaming/embellished/inaccurate measuring/whatever..., but at least the op is humble and posting some good info. Because of this attitude I have no problem pulling up a chair and waiting to be proved wrong.. regardless of the goal the experience/knowledge is helpful.

aero,

I've heard that its best to spray during the dark because water droplets can act as magnifying lens and burn the leaves. I've never seen this happen, but I've heard it for years.

I have heard however that the plants' stomata are the most open around 1hr after the lights have came on and that this is the most ideal time to foliar spray.

Any thoughts. Have you experimented with spraying shortly after lights on. Before room has reached full temp..but things dry up fast so mold/rot is unlikely.


My experience (little) with liquid light is the same.. too much can cause instant twisting /curling, but cut back a hair makes the plants the most perky I've ever seen them. All of the leaves will be vertical towards the light.

 

[hammalamma]

I think its possible. I've seen people get over 3 per light with blue dream,stationary horizontal lighting, coco, and smart pots.
Good luck!

 

[aerokrafter]

-FlowerFarmer

I think your post perfectly embodies what I hope for in the attitude of this threads readers. I took up this quest in the spirit of Don Quixote dreaming the impossible dream. While tilting at windmills, I plan to learn by sharing the journey.

It will be an interesting couple of months. thank you for your comments.

On to useful things…

- Lights on or off for foliar sprays

Wetting agents work by reducing the surface tension - and in the process droplet formation is spread out. When penetrator first came out, one of its selling points was that you could leave the lights on. I have heard about, but never seen the “magnifying glass effect”. I could see how it might happen if you foliar spray without a surfactant. The stipling or mottling of the leaves I referred to comes from the leaves drying unevenly or too fast from the intensity of the light. This becomes more evident after a couple applications and adds some extra leaf twist. I recommend lights off.

- As for timing of sprays

I try to spray right around when lights come on. For me the rationale was to avoid mold and practicality - sprays are part of the res filling ritual. The open stomata scenario certainly makes sense. When I have sprayed at odd times, I didn’t see any difference. However I will add this to my pile of future experiments.

- Concentrations that I use

My every third day mix: 60 ml Saturator and 60 ml Liquid Light in 1.25 liters of RO water.

My every other day mix: 60 ml Saturator and 40 ml Liquid Light in 1.25 liters of RO water.

Best of Luck to All!

-AK

 

[RaNgEr RiCk]

Good luck........

 

[stonedwarrior]

Be interested to see the end of this one... Best I've pulled is a half elbow off 600... Kudos to those who can do the big numbers!! BTW, What's on that coathanger is NOT 4.5 O...

 

[peterjoseph88]

Definately gonna be watching this one... Good luck with everything

 

[cyat]

great writing... 2 or more would be impressive!

I still think the genes are gonna be the biggest factor...

I messed with heaths v3 and his strains do have a lot to do with his high yields too, imo

 

[eyes]

ok so a 1000 watt bulb, in a 5x6 area. thats 30 sq ft or a little over 33.3 watts a square foot. 36 aero flo with 18 holes occupied. are the 6 or 8 inches on center hole to whole? topped pruned and trained. lets break down the theroretical math....

1000 grams or 35.71 ounces or 2.2 lbs. so each plant would have to do 55.5 grams- definetely doable.
2270 grams or 81.07 ounces or 5lbs. so each plant would have to do 126.11 grams or 4.5 ounces a plant. my guess at this point is the space factor. with the holes and plants being so close to each other it doesnt allow enough vertical side growth to spread there wings so to speak. if they were to be tied down and multiple tops, depending on how many leads or shoots or stems, theyll be taking up the whole screen. then its how many buds total per plant. many factors. i can see ya hitting over 2 if the environment is perfect, all sides are surrounded with reflectix so no light escapes. def looks like a great strain for yield purposes. i wish ya luck.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

Good Luck!!!

Im Calling 2-2 1/4 lb yield....

unsure mang with buds like this 5 bow may be possible
not sayn duder cant i'll watch this, hydro dose produce unsure about 5lbs on 1k horti
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=35419&pictureid=842567
ya do trim it more then this ??? or this is how it gose out the door ??
very very nice top above all the stem though

 

[aerokrafter]

Day 3 Bloom Update

Besides the 7 day updates, I will bring you along whenever significant things happen.

Unit Shot:


I'm quite pleased with how even the canopy is:


Here's our plant we have been tracking:


Data Sheet:



Basal Super Cropping

On the data sheet, you can see that yesterday(day 2) was pinch day.

Super Cropping, for the unitiated, is simply pinching the stem until the hurd pops - just slightly crushing it. As the stem recovers it increases the vascularity and lignation of the damaged area. This causes good things to happen from the growers perspective:

More vascularity - to fix the damage, the plants response is to overgrow the stem. The shoot above the damage gets a lil more juice as a result.

More strength - we are going to absolutely need the strongest stems possible.

Slows verticle stretch - the biggest battle of the next 3 weeks in going to be getting the most growth, while keeping them as short as possible.



On the left branch you can see the pinch. This area will swell over time looking something like an insect gaull.

Basal pinches are dangerous because if you are inexperienced - its easy to pinch off or kill the only growth tip. I normally do not do basals, but later in the teens as needed. This plant will benefit enough from the procedure that its worth the risk.

I must tell you that this was a rather nerve wracking thing to do. I did wuss out on a few of the more tender shoots - their pinch didn't go all the way to a pop. For a brief moment it felt like I was in one of those old-timey operating theaters with rings of murmuring onlookers. But I felt the positive vibe, bounced back to the serenity of the garden, and got to work.

As always, your questions and comments are welcome.

-AK

 

[Scottish Research]

Looking good AK.

How many times do you top these during flower? You mentioned training. Do you plan on doing a scrog with these? You probably already mentioned this before.

I'm building a screen that is framed and can be raised and lowered using yo yo type light hangers.

Are you using any other methods to control vertical growth? I know years ago you experimented with Bush Master, but that product has now fallen out of favor.

Nutrients without urea based nitrogen will help control "stretch" or vertical growth.

Just trying to keep up professor.

R.Fortune

 

[aerokrafter]

-R.Fortune

I topped once in veg - no more topping, only pruning. My plan is for each of my top two growth tips to grow into fat colas. Pinching is it for verticle control in this grow. Trellising will be used as well. I'm thinking about doing an experiment in the future with a "paclo" foliar spray. 2 different concentrations plus a control in one unit. I just had such trouble with the stuff in the res, but I would love to be able to freeze stretch on command. For now I will continue to negotiate with the plant, pinching and pruning to reach my goals.

-AK

 

[Scottish Research]

Today we are at 90% humidity. Is humidity an issue for you and how are you controlling it?

Looking forward to seeing some large grape candy smelling colas!

Looking great AK!





R.Fortune











R.Fortune

 

[aerokrafter]

Day 7 Bloom Update


Plants have put on a few sets of leaves and are now around 24" tall.


Unit Shot:


Tracking Plant:


Data:


-Early shoot prune vs. later lollipop

Bottom branches will need to pruned - there is simply no space for them to get enough light to be productive. The most popular method to deal with this problem is called “lolipopping” - cutting off the bottom branches during or after stretch. The energy the plant had spent supporting those unproductive branches is now available to the main bud.

The method I will be using is an early shoot prune. The result is the same, just that the plant is not wasting energy on growing branches that will be cut off. There are dangers associated with this method. First, it encourages stretch, which I will counter with pinching, hopefully bringing all the main buds to the perfect height. Second, if you are unfamiliar with your plants characteristics, it can seriously reduce yield if you go too far. Fore knowledge of how your plant grows is required. Pistol Pete from the old CW was an early promoter of this method. Some old timers still refer to a plant that has had this procedure as being “pistol whipt”.

In test GLG was unpruned. I don’t prune test plants unless absolutely required once in the bloom room. Prune strategy becomes part of the information gathering of the test run. My notes recommend removing the bottom 2-3 branches, so we will shoot prune to the top 3 shoots on day 7 and re-evaluate on day 10. I will pinch the stem again at the base of the growth shoot.

Before:



After:


　
Some branches may still need to be removed later, but our pre-lolipopping will ensure more energy in the plant, and less in thrown away branches.
　
As always, your questions and comments are welcome.

-AK

 

[Bonzo]

good luck aero! hey do you do anything special with your cloner? or just h2o? temps? thanks...

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Interesting.

I've got some of my largest colas growing horizontally using the methods you describe.

I would pinch/snap hurd throughout early veg - then I would tie over and allow my other branches to grow up - then I would strip hard ..everything except for the very top node of each branch.

With a particular strain I was able to achieve 2L bottle size colas (wet size). The risk of rot however was elevated so I later returned to not as vigorous of a strip down.

 

[cyat]

paclo.. ur losin me now

no disrespect intended, but I seriously doubt those scrawny plants could produce a qp each

 

[abellguy]

areo equates to explosive growth and stretch, pruning during the first two week stretch promotes explosive growth and stretch so its gonna be interesting to see how this turns out

 

[the gnome]

just happened to stumble in here aero...
i'm amazed everytime I see your latest efforts ma man!

I'm definitely in for this one!
let see if I can find a seat without steppin on too many toes....

ouch!!
hey mang!!
THATS MY FOOT!
**&%%#%#@ and stay out!!

 

[~Shhh~]

I'm in for the adventure! Good luck bro