KCS's 2012 Guerilla Adventure

[Kant C Shyt]

Hi there, KCS here starting a thread that will detail my 2012 guerilla grow. I'm very excited this year and have several new strains i'll be trying out looking for a good OD producer with nice yield, good resistance to mold, pests and dieases, and a smoke potent enough to even keep my busy . This ain't my 1st rodeo but with that being said a different bull/bronco can show you new tricks so I like to keep an open mind to things because you never know what the season may bring.

My Plan: Most of the plants will actually be grown guerilla style, kinda set it but don't forget it method, other than site preparation and starting my seeds inside for about 2 weeks. Most of the other remaining plants will be taken care of and will not be left to do their more natural thing such as select fem. autos and a few keeper looking females from a few standard lines. Holes will be dug about 1 1/2' down and about 3' or so wide for most the fem. and a few standard seedplants. Holes for the autos will be similar in depth but not in width and some will be in homemade smartpots to judge their production performance. I'll be making a mix but for the most part i'll be using MG products again (before ya'll flame let me explain). I would love to run almost everything in organic mixes but due to a late start on those holes (its hard having partners i'll just say that) i'm afraid that i'll only be able to do some plants in those type holes because I still need to prep them and then let the mix "set" for about a month so the blood and bone meals don't drive the predator animals wild. Reason I brought the predators animals up is the 1st trip we took out this year there were several coyotes in several locations moving around us not to far off and that was day 1 a scouting expedition. Last year I ran up on a pack of em (about 15 no bs) right up the road from a few of the grow spots, luckily I was in my vehicle. There's also a bear (2 of my partners have seen it) and also 1 of them swears they saw a puma/cougar/mnt lion whatever you want to call it run in front of the car 1 night I was in the car but was looking down rolling a blunt so I missed it but my friend is a grown man I can still remember the look on his face and the fuss he was making about it, he was serious. The cougar i'm less worried about only because other than him seeing that about 2 or 3 years ago, nobody has really seen 1 in over 10 years. The bear i'm not so much worried about either, call me crazy but its not that much of a problem to me. The real problem is the coyotes. I see them a lot and they've been getting bolder every year. Carrying a gun is not really great idea because of location for many reasons like houses close by in some areas or the noise alerting of my presence. My friend was talking to me the other day and he was like a pack like you saw could take you away from here you need to have a gun just incase. Then he started explaining about a .22 round that is very quiet and doesn't go far, he couldn't remember the name but told me to look into that. Been thinking about all kind of possibilities from crossbow to blowgun to 2 machettes lol but if you have any ideas let me know. The last couple years I either had a machette or a Kabar with me and I mostly went alone so i'm not really bothered just wanted to be more prepared incase of that kind of situation does arise i'm ready for it.

My Mix: Will mostly be a Sunshine-like bale (they stopped carrying Sunshine but the replacement is almost exactly the same) with a bag of MG soil (a kind with the chem ferts) and maybe even a bag of top soil. A bag of perilite, water crystals, some more lime, and a little time release ferts. This will be for my standard holes but a few holes i'll try something new on . Instead of the time release ferts. i'll be putting in one of the Plant tone or Garden tone type Epsoma products along with some more blood and bone meal, azomite, EWC, sand (sub for greensand), kelp meals, and guanos. On these holes I would also make sure the MG soil I used would have to be the organic kind or whatever available kind with the least amount of chem ferts. These would be my organic holes mix but i'll be getting to those holes later, for the most part i'll be using the 1st mix on a majority of the plants. I do use fencing here and there (chicken wire and similar) but not like some of these guys do with the gorilla fencing so its not real pratical and economical for me to make a fence big enough for each plant to keep the predators from tearing it up if they really wanted to.

That might have sounded like a lot of stuff which it was but I just wanted to state all of that early so everyone knows where i'm coming from on this.

My Goals: To try to acheive about 1/2 an elbow each from the fem. and standard seed strain females in a set them but don't forget them style grow with as little attention given to them other then the occasional trip to top,clone, LST, supercrop, tie down, or just check them. I don't want to have to water them that much i'd rather prep some holes and let them grow natural with the rain like corn. Carrying water last year didn't break me but working harder not smarter almost did. I see threads where some people say they never water or they just chucked up some seed and got X amount of #s and it gets me to thinking. I also saw a thread on here where the guy did about a hr worth of work and got a little more than a elbow, planted in a cornfield late minis. Last year I put in several hundred hrs (around 200 or so) and got about 5, so I got to thinking more that something is wrong to have started when I did prep the holes like I did and water them like I was I should have had several more easily and I didn't. That guy put in a hr work with 16 clones and got 1/5 what I did yea, i'm working way harder than smarter so it time for a new gameplan (set it but don't forget its). I don't want to go into what i'm really expecting or what I would need to have a good season but I don't think what I expect with a good run is unreasonable, i'm sure some of the indoor guys clear what I want in an OD harvest in 1 harvest 2 easy . So i'm definately not shooting to high. With the fem. and standard autos i'm shooting for around a zip or so from the smaller 1s and the maybe a 1/4 a bow on the larger ones but these will be the ones I water regularly. The set it but don't forget it on these will yield much less i'm sure. All in all I plan on having smoke for me and my partners all year with enough to even have a few nice parties with, smokeouts yea .

My Strains: Bear with me now as my list changes depending on whats dropping soon on SB and if something has caught my eye during some of my searches for strain info. We're running mostly sativa dominate strains, a few hard hitting indicas, several different AFs, and maybe even a landrace will show up this year.
Seeds I have germing already: Blockhead IBL, S.A.G.E., Green Poison, Lemon Skunk, Sour Diesel IBL, and several AFs. Most of those are Fem. except the SD IBL and the AFs.
Seeds I have in hand waiting to be germed: Sour Bubble, So Sour, Chem IBL, Ultra Sonja, C99, Ogre, SD IBL x CD IBL, and various inhouse crosses. These are all standard seeds so I won't be running a lot of these but will be cloning the females I find.
Seeds still waiting to be purchased for the year: Hogsbreath X, Herijuana IBL, Sweet Blue, SSH, Exo Cheese, A.M.S., Big Bang, Bubblegummer, a version of Sensi Star, and Starbud. Some of these are standard and some are fem. Also note that any of the strains that i'm still waiting to be purchased still have to be purchased so I have to catch an upcoming drop and hope the other strains are still in stock by the time I make my next few orders. Also any strain that I haven't started to get germed yet may be subject to change, substitution, or removal from my 2011 OD season.

I'm looking forward to another great season this year. I've been using some of these spots for the last 3 years so i'm pretty familiar with everything.Also I wouldn't be attempting such a nice grow if I didn't think it was possible with the space or resources available to me. I'm going for a year with as few mistakes as possible with a way larger harvest of more potent and tasty buds. I really enjoy just being out there tending my plants and seeing them develop. Can't wait til harvest time thats when we get to see the girls in all their splendor. GL to everyone this 2012 season, stay safe, keep it green, burn some for me, and take care 1

P.S. Sorry if somethings seem left out of out of order, currently real busy and I wrote this over a 2 day course and several smoke breaks . I will have this thread organized and detailed.

 

[LouDog420]

Damn KCS, sounds like you got your plan in order!! I love osmokote for guerrilla ferts... I get the 4 month and plant early enough so that those ferts are used up come flower time, and still get a real nice flush out of the ladies. Just gotta throw down some bloom booster come august and let them flush through september

Gonna run any of the CJ/SB outdoors?? I've got a bunch popped and growing already for this season

Tagged up and best of luck on your season!!

 

[Phantomx]

I didn't ever water my OD plants and they all survived. Last year we even had no rain for a month and the plants did great.

 

[Kant C Shyt]

Hey LouDog420, trying to be a little more prepare this year . I actually saw those the other day while I was out getting things, never tried em before but was thinking about it. Not sure if I want to run those outdoors or inside yet, we'll see. They are special to me even if they didn't come with a pricetag, so thank you again for making and sending those in. I really need to shoot you a PM and ask you a few things soon, may take a minute as I work a double today and i'll be checking on the youngins and preparing the grow sites frequently for the next few weeks.

Hey Phantomx, sounds nice hoping to do something similiar. Can you explain a little about your mix and the reasons why you didn't have to water? Were you in a wetland type enviroment or was it just enough rain that season? Also what was your yield total and per some of the plants if you don't mind me asking? If you don't feel comfortable asking it here you can send me a PM if you like.

Thank ya'll in advance and also for stopping by to check out the thread. Ya'll take care 1

 

[Phantomx]

The mix I was using last year was about 40% coco peat, the rest was potting soil a little forest compost and a half dosage of water holding crystals. The reason I didn't have to water.. I think that plants don't really need to be watered, I mean if everything else survives why wouldn't my plants. I wasn't in a wetland, but we did have a lot of rain before the dry period, actually the whole prior season was rain, but I don't think this helped them. Well I didn't yield anything because my plants were ripped of, but if they wasn't they would probably yield about 300g per plant (80liter holes). But sure the plants are happier if you water them.

 

[skullznroses]

Hey for what its worth,

LST- I think that my number one rule of thumb, no matter the weather, what Im putting into the ground, or what I've recently been told be the most enlightened grow head, is that you must pinch pinch pinch that plant early on if you want to have even a decently large bush. You can always train the resulting branches in whatever manner you want, but if you don't prune the tops off a lot you just won't have the maximum cola sites. Sometimes I think I'll get caught up in some special rope twisting trick and forget about the number one job for the first few weeks... make shorter bushier plants.

Regards, thanks for the show
skullz

 

[Kant C Shyt]

Hey Phantomx, sounds like that mix was working pretty well. Sorry to hear about the rippers (lazy oppurtunist, cherry picking no goods) got your plants. I'm thinking like you though that the plants don't need to be watered really just tended as long as they "grab, set in" when they are 1st planted they should be good. If we get a drought i'm prepared to deal with that but for the most part I want to spend the time that I would have spent watering on other things like tending more plants and spending more time with each one so I can check them over better with each visit. With not having to water them as much I can make less trips and less paths, so with the limited trips I will be making I need to spend more time with each one to check em over for pest damage or damage and treat accordingly, lst em, and all that good stuff. I know they won't mind the extra water come flower time .

Hey skullznroses, thanks for stopping by. I feel you on the LSTing and trying to make a small bush but everytime I try I end up with a big bush. I'd like to keep them about 3 feet shorter than last year where the largest was about 8'. I know its possible to keep them very low to the ground if need be I just haven't been able to yet. My friend SDG on here explained to me the pinching in detail but when I went and tried I accidentally topped them. I'll try this year again on a few but i'll pinch them more lightly if I still mess up i'll just top the crap out of them and pull all the tops in different directions. I'll also be using tomato cages, for the 1st time ever, on a lot of plants to give them a starting off support system and then when they get larger i'll stake em and cage em again. Any suggestions on when to start topping them in the tomato cages? Thanks in advance.

Hey LouDog420, I haven't forgot about you just been really busy. I will get that PM to you in the next day or so. Ya'll take care 1

 

[Kant C Shyt]

Sorry for the delay but heres a little update. Currently still digging holes for the regular plants and we're almost done on the AF holes for the 1st wave of them. The plants are still veggin and look good, no signs of any problems so far other than the wierd stuff AF seedlings do (some come up and die or fall over on day 1 others are mutated, but still this is just a small percentage of the 1s I got to germ I was just stating it for the thread). I'll probably veg the normal plants about a week more and i'll start moving out the AFs as soon as I get some cages for them. Also I haven't been able to find a big supply locally of tomato cages. I used to see them every year all over town but this year so far I haven't seen em and i've even asked so i'll see later in the grow if I can snag some before the plants get too big to put the cage over em.

During 1 of my trips out I noticed some animal had dug up a little of 1 of the holes (the farthest 1 away) to I guess check it out. Wasn't much but I noticed it so i'll definately have some kind of cage on the young plants the day they go out. Might make some of my old chicken wire cages in the next week. Also I missed a couple of good rainstorms that would have helped set the plants in if they were ready to good out but since they won't its all good though because it just made the ground soft as crap . I mean digging has been a breeze to me the soil just turns to powder after the shovel hits it a few times, i'm loving it but my partners keep getting broke off lol. Well we're almost done with the holes for the 1st set of plants to go out. Hopefully I get to run a few more strains off my wishlist this year so I got a lot of different strains to keep my happily smoked out for any occassion . Thats it for now i'll be getting some pics soon but the majority of them will be when the good stuff starts to happen. Almost forgot the biggest plant so far is a S.A.G.E. and it has about 5 sets of leaves on it already . Blockhead IBLs are looking great also . Ya'll take care 1

 

[guest845704]

U have nice strain compilation. I also dont need to water my plants if only they rooted well. Its about 3-4 week old plant. Sinse that moment they are able to manage water themselfs. Then occasionally some tea. Extra water in dry flower period is more that appreciate, buds are full of water ;]. Sandy earths need to be watered more often. This year i think to run my wild nearby pool of water and water more, when it definitely brings benetits for plants.

Show some pics

 

[Kant C Shyt]

Pics to come shortly. Just finished up the holes for the 1st round of plants to go out. Most plants should go out by the weedend or early next week. Starting the 2nd round of seeds soon (some this weekend and the others when my order gets in) so its about time to go back out and get some more hole done . Ya'll take care 1

 

[Kant C Shyt]

Hey everyone sorry i've not been more active on this thread but I will be trust that. I've also already started my 2nd round of seeds and have some plants up already. This 2nd round I started some Sweet Blue (Dolce Sativa), BC Roadkill, C-99, Ogre, Chem D IBL, Sour D IBL, Sour Bubble Bx2/3, The Church, and So Sour. I actually have sprouts from the 1st 5 strains up so far. Still waiting on some sign of life from the last 4 strains (the SD IBLs cracked open but still nothing from the other 3 so far). So I started some more Sour Bubble and So Sour beans today. I also have PurePowerPlant and Blue Sat 2.2 waiting to take a bath is need be. Also i'm waiting for my pack of Hogsbreath x Alien Kush to come in so I can have it go out with this round of plants.

Some holes for the 2nd round of plants are done but I still have about 20 more. Need to finish up on those in about 10 days or so. Its almost time to top and tie down some plants from the 1st round. We've been getting plenty of rain so far and lots sun on top of that so the plants should be loving it right about now. Went and checked most of the cages and it doesn't look like anything has been trying to mess with the young plants so far. Also anyone have any advise on how to train a plant for a tomato cage? Never used 1 before so i'm not sure when to top em or how many tops should I be trying to keep within the top ring. I've seen people using them before and getting some nice squater bushes OD but I usually don't put any support system on them this early, its always right before flower. I usually bend the plants over early and top and such and end up with a very large bush (sometimes way taller than i'd like) but I were to shape my plants like i've done in the past for the tomato cages I can imagine the base of the plant still in the cage while the rest of it is outside and beside of it defeating the purpose using it for support. Maybe i'm just overthinking it but how do ya'll use em outdoors? Do ya'll top only after its filled the cage way before? Thanks in advance.

For the 3rd round i'm trying to run all feminized seeds so we get our female plant count up higher . There is only a few males of several strains that I need anyway for some projects, the rest will be disposed of. I grow for buds not pollen and seeds lol, well maybe a few seeds for me and the crew. After that 3rd round you still may see be break open the unruly sativas like Sam's OH x Sk1, THill's Haze, and Malawi just to name a few. Variety is the Spice of Life . I hope everything works out because i'd really like to try all of these wonderful strains and stock up good so I don't run out like last year. 80% of the strains we're running are sativa or sativa dom. so i'm looking forward to that. We'll have some Indicas but only a few (not of fan being stuck to the couch, I got things to do ). Really hoping to find some keepers out of some of the strains so I can make them into mothers. Excuse my ramble I just got on here and started typing, also haven't smoked this morning so i'm rushing to go get a puff or 2 in . Feel free to ask any ?s or whatever really. Hope everyone's OD season is going well so far. Be safe and take care 1

P.S. I recently went to snag some pics and my batteries were dead so I missed some of the plants before they went out but i'll make sure to get some of the 2nd round plants before they go out. Most of ya'll know what small plants look like anyway so the majority of the pics will be once things really get rolling near the end of veg. and in flower so stay tuned.

 

[Kant C Shyt]

Still digging holes for my 2nd round of plants which most are vegging and i'm still waiting on a few to sprout. As for the plants already outdoors in there holes about half of them i'm seeing a positive response and are growing nicely while the others don't have much or any growth since being transplanted. I think the no watering will work but I need the others to grab and set in good as well. Might give them a little water (even though its been raining good) to help them roots spread out a little quicker and hopefully set in. The plants that are doing well are doing very well for the most part. My biggest is about a 1 1/2 tall and wide. I will be topping and lsting most of them next week sometime, can't wait for them to really start bushing out . I probably will have a few monsters from the looks of it already. Had bad germ rates on a few strains this 2nd round but I plan to get my plant count back up on the standard seeds for this 2nd round so I can add a few more possible females. The 3rd round will be all fems and maybe right behind that I might do a small 4th round of plants to round the rest of my strain selection out and try to get some more females lol. The only reason I didn't run all fems is because there are some strains I really wanted to run that aren't femminized yet plus I need just a few select males for certain things later in the year . I really hope my partners and I are able to reach our goals. Everyone be safe out there and take care 1

P.S. Still no advice on how to shape a plant in a tomato cage? Any advice appreciated.

 

[Phantomx]

Don't water your plants if they don't need it. If the soil is totaly moist all the time the roots will grow slower. Too much water can also cause problems, but that's rarely outdoor.

 

[Manstien]

Machete + Bear mace combo

 

[gaiusmarius]

have to bookmark this one, gonna be fun...

that blood and bone meal will have those critter digging up all your nice prepared holes. same crap happened to me this year and i didnt even use blood meal and still each hole had been partially dug in with some of my valuable soil mix scattered around. we only have foxes here, so i'd hate to see a hole after a bear is done with it lol.

 

[Kant C Shyt]

Hey Phantomx, I should have explained it a little better. I don't plan on watering the plants for the most part, at least the not the ones responding well but the others i'm thinking I may need to help them along a little. Some of them are in more cover and are not in as nearly as nice spots as some of the others that are doing well. I've also been checking the soil on all of them and most of the ones not doing as well have dryer holes after a rain than others. So i've been watching them for at least 10 good rains and still not much changes. Its one of those judgement calls and i've been holding off long enough. If some don't pick up the pace I may be stepping in to assist a few of them. I hope that gives you a little better idea of whats going. Sorry if it at first it just sounded like I was going to be watering the crap out of them.

Hey Manstien, sounds like a nice combo. Now I just need to find out where they sell some bear spray at. Haven't seen any at Walmart, maybe a hunting speacialty shop will have it.

Hey gaiusmarius, yea we opted to not add more blood and bone meal other then whats already in the Epsoma Ogranic food I have. Sorry to hear something was messing with your holes. So far I only saw 1 hole that was messed with and not much because everything at that time had 2 fences on it. Foxes are around but i've never seen 1 on a trip out to the garden and hopefully will never see the bear in the area. Nice to see you around by the way .

6 more holes to dig then fill plus transplant the plants and the 2nd round will be done. Still have a good outlook on the grow this year and only time will tell if this years choices were the right choices. Hope to get the 3rd round going very shortly. Hope everyones season is going well and thanks for stopping by. Take care 1

P.S. Wrote this yesterday but I went out last night and got the holes finished for the 2nd round. Time to get ready for the 3rd round of fems. Should be fun.

 

[Kant C Shyt]

Looks like I done got behind on this thread again. Quick update i've done the 3rd round and 4th round but haven't managed to get the 5th round of plants started. Looks like I may have to forget the 5th round and go and start replacing plants and making up for damaged plants. In just the last 4 days since my last trip out something ate 2 whole little plants (smashed the cages) and ate on like 6 other plants in different areas of the grow. The f'ed thing is now that I think about it I think it may be smelling the plants in general or using me (my scent) to find all the plants its has. My partners can't even find as many as this thing has, i'm attributing most of the damage to it as most are in the same height levels and the damage is usually the same although I may have had several pests along the way. I've seen something similar but worst in an OD grow before and i'm very confident the critter i'm dealing with is a GROUNDHOG!

Man I hate them things in an outdoor grow. Its done lollipoped a few of my 1 round females, ate parts up to a few whole plants. 2nd round had some damaged plants from a branch or 2 to 70% eaten on some but I don't think I got any whole plants the 2nd round. The 3rd round has been fine for the most part these are in growbags in a different area it hasn't seemed to venture into yet and hope it doesn't. 4th round I put out over 40 plants I have 9 left, yea i'm a little ticked off over here. Its a guerilla grow near some houses so a gun even a .22 is really out of the ?, i've never even seen the thing plus I only go at night and thats even every few days. I see now I need to make some fences with rebar or some nice sturdy wire. It smashed them cages all up and even broke some stakes at 1 of the holes something new i've seen it do, guessing it stood up next to it and put its weight on it while it was ripping pieces of the plant through the fencing I really don't know. I not even 100% sure more like high 90s that its a groundhog. Haven't seen any deer tracks really and i'm doubting its them as I haven't had to bother with them for awhile now at this spot plus the damage didn't looked like stuff they do normally. This thing is eating vegging and budding plants and seems now to have a taste for my cannabis plants on the regular and its got to go now. I'll be trying to get up tougher fences tonight and use some more repellents and similar items to get it to leave the plants alone all together. I have Seven dust on hand but its been raining the last few days and everytime I see the plants there wet lately so I haven't been able to put anymore on. I'll be using pee, soap shavings, anything that I can get my hands on that may be useful to me in stopping this varmit damage. Its the #1 priority because without any plants I won't have a harvest and I ain't having that. If anybody has any tips for dealing with Groundhogs or like varmits please feel free to post it up. Its greatly appreciated.

I've just spent a few hrs reading threads on here on how to deal with different pest but other than fencing which I was already using there ain't much to do for groundhogs. I guess a few sprays may work but finding the best one that won't damage my plants in the process is the key. Some of those homemade ones need to be cut down with a lot of water and such. As if the pest problems weren't bad enough someone spotted the bear thats in the area about a week ago nearby. I know some may think the bear did the damage but no it would been a mangled cage not just smashed in a little and definately would have left a foot print somewhere in the soft soil of the holes due to its weight. Just wasn't bear damage too low of damage on 2 and 3' plants ain't there style. I was just saying about the bear because we got to be a little more careful when out there and not to be too seperated from my partner just in case something were to happen.

For a little good news some plants are starting to really shine but are from the 2nd and 3rd waves and all are smaller sized plants compared to the plants that are doing well from the 1st wave. I stopped topping my plants about a month ago and have only been LSTing them. Some respond very well others not some much. Some of the plants from the 1st wave are already budding, but most aren't. Funny thing is a plant that was added late in the 2nd round (Hogsbreath hybrid) is budding and it definately ain't been out there that long (its a male, but I need to use him so i'll be collecting pollen from him and a few male of differing strains from the 1st round). Still hoping I can pull a decent amount of bud despite all the grow troubles i've already encountered and still will encounter this year. Hope every is doing well and your gardens the same. Take care 1