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passive plant killer

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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¨Therefore, aliens! No, that's a different show. Therefore, predictable results.¨

but who gave us the ability to predict the results?
ALIENS! Tonight the new episode was about Da Vinchi btw

So I´ve been thinking about automation again,
Home depot has a $7 GE plug-in digital timer, should be capable of 20 on/off cycles with each lasting 1 minute. In Anti´s thread, Bobble? suggests using a t-fitting and in-line valve before the manifold to adjust the amount of water being delivered during that 1min cycle. This should mix the reservoir up a bit too. Still unsure about what size pump to order, probably a 396gph for around $30.

So lets say you got 20 clones in beer cups, SOG, DTW. Could you somehow deliver equal amounts of water while the inline valve is being adjusted? Looking to get ~100ml a cycle from each 1/4¨ hose. Maybe using -something- like a cap/plug on the end of the tubing where a smaller hole can be drilled and easily cleaned/unclogged? Can´t decide whether or not to have pressure in the manifold/tubing, or use the pump to fill up another bucket/reservoir with the tubing going into the bottom. Then just adjust the in-line valve so a ~gallon gets pumped in, and allow gravity to do the rest (within the next minute~s).

Would probably only feed during the day, with a 1min on/10min pause for lateral movement/1min on pattern every 2-3 hrs.

The in-line valve would have to go on the manifold side with a pump that size


hey, sorry i missed your post earlier.

pressure in a pressurized container is equal throughout the container so i don't see any problem with just making a manifold that will accept all 20 lines. a pulse every 90 minutes may or may not be what you need because of environmental factors and the medium you choose but it's a good place to start. you don't want a big pump here if you are stuck with a one minute duration. you are forced to deliver a slow steady stream. 100ml is 3.33 oz's. so with 20 sites you need to deliver 66.6 ounces total. i think an impeller driven aquarium pump with around a 200 gph capacity should be sufficient. the back pressure will slow it down considerably. if it proves to be too much put a valve inline between the pump and manifold and dial it back. this volume also means that you can use a bucket for a res.

i just saw that you are going to run drain to waste, sorry. 20cups at 3.33 ozs each 16 times a day is 8.32 gals. a ridiculous amount of water for 20 beer cups unless you recirculate. you know how i do my clone containers? stacked with an airgap? something like that topped daily would work fine. if you pump you should recirculate.i can top them once per day with 8-12 oz's each. they hold 3 quarts of medium and i can grow plants to 24" in them like this. even at 12 ounces per day you are only talking about 240 oz's or 1.87 gals.
 
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delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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This is from Antis thread stickied in the vert section.
Just wanted to share because I also have had great results with increased humidiy.
A solid 33% increase in yield.

both those guys are dead on.

i love reading dhf's post. i call him the thread killer because there will be a thread with a bunch of people arguing over something and he will come in, mumble a few quick words and then no one will post again after him. he has quite a few notches on his thread shooter.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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VPD... I'm just getting it down.. 77F / 70%RH.. a weener. See Urban Garden Magazine, here: http://urbangardenmagazine.com/2010/07/plantworks-part-1-humidity-and-vapor-pressure-deficit/ , not that teh PPK didn have something to do with a great yield (for me) 2 >SSSDH = 12z/each, dry, 1 >SSSDH = 6oz dry and one F13= 6oz dry.. I'm amazed at this total, 34oz dry, 4 plants, 600w to 1200w hps (2x600w, stacked, naked. but a clone of that SSSDH that produced only 6oz, is enormous and will probably run the same 12zs or more.in a friends grow.. sameysamey F13..

here are some piccs of the tail pieces from them, the F13 was the dark wick, the sssdh was the other discolored wick and the two clean/cler ones produced the 12z/ea. when first taken out of the pot (top bucket) it was bright purple, now dark purple.. I have no clue why. all 4 tail piece had what looked like a giant dreadloc in it (roots andmedia). all else was the same.. I will say that the F13 smells/tastes nothing like it did previously but still killer. Any ideas?

hey, buddy, congrats on the yield. just for the folks at home at home even if you ran 1200 watts the entire grow your gpw on this is .8. if you had gotten 12 on all four it would have been 1.13 gpw. not too bad either way.

how many ppk grows have you done total?

do you have any pics?

i have no idea what caused the staining on the tailpieces. i've never seen that before. are you using jack's? any additives? there is a blue dye in the jacks but it doesn't stain mine. maybe your tailpieces are from a different manufacturer.

and, why did you remove the tailpieces? mine never come out.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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do u find the latex tube wants to pop off your tire valves? I had to push mine way up higher on the rubber part of the valve in order to feel secure.

plus I did the same on the tubing runs out to the manifolds (for the pulse feed) and the tubing out to the tire valves for the sub-irrigation to the reservoirs.

mine will pop off easily when you first put them on while still wet. but once they dry they are pure hell to get off sometimes.
 
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mcfly420

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Stacking these two different walmart cups has worked pretty well, just had to build somewhat of a grid in my cab with wood to keep em secure. I have a more complicated design (using 4-5cups :biggrin: but suprisingly stable)for moms so they dont need as much attention. This reservoir only holds ~60ml though with a 3/4¨ airgap, and they use it up fast, so the plantlets get 60-80ml 2maybe3 times daily. So about 1gal daily with 25% running to waste


decided to just build your manifold...
 

Snook

Still Learning
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hey, buddy, congrats on the yield. just for the folks at home at home even if you ran 1200 watts the entire grow your gpw on this is .8. if you had gotten 12 on all four it would have been 1.13 gpw. not too bad either way.

how many ppk grows have you done total?

My 3rd PPK run, first one with humidity control and a room AC that I put in the wall because no inconspiuious windows were available. Running 60-65%RH at 75-77F. Yes, very happy.

do you have any pics?

I put a few up a couple pages ago.

i have no idea what caused the staining on the tailpieces. i've never seen that before. are you using jack's? any additives? there is a blue dye in the jacks but it doesn't stain mine. maybe your tailpieces are from a different manufacturer.

Yes, Jacks @ 650ppms, no additives, GOOP that held all the screens in place on all the PPKs. Same manufacturer. I'm baffeled. It was bright pink before it dried.

and, why did you remove the tailpieces? mine never come out.

I really didnt have to remove them, I'm tired of fighting with GOOPing the screen inside the top part for each run, so I'm redoing all 4 PPKs to include the one row of large (11/16") holes. Each hole will have a 1.5inch (or so) piece of screen GOOPed in place, over each individual hole. My theory is the roots will not grow out/into the screen and have to be removed each grow. BTW, watch out working with that GOOP, it can get you high.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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"watch out working with that GOOP, it can get you high."

why do you think i like it? hey i didn't see any plant pics, did i miss something?

your next run will bust 1 gpw for sure.

i'm getting a new respect for those 600's. very nice.
 

Snook

Still Learning
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"watch out working with that GOOP, it can get you high."

why do you think i like it? hey i didn't see any plant pics, did i miss something?

your next run will bust 1 gpw for sure.

i'm getting a new respect for those 600's. very nice.

You're a busy man, doing all you do. Easy to miss shit.
Post 3028.. I dont keep them on hand, they all get deleted..
I'll post more upon my next startup.
 

high life 45

Seen your Member?
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You're a busy man, doing all you do. Easy to miss shit.
Post 3028.. I dont keep them on hand, they all get deleted..
I'll post more upon my next startup.

LOL when you said you put up some pics a couple pages ago I checked and couldn't find them. I didnt relize it was 240 posts ago!
What was your yield from those girls? That sssdh looks tasty!
You should do a journal I would love to see more of your skillz.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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dude, that was back on 2-28, i thought you had brought in another load, today is 4-11. sorry. people, here are some shots of snook's harvest again.
 

ImaginaryFriend

Fuck Entropy.
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the second set of photos show spring clip pliers and how I use them to get too-small latex tubing to do the job. D9 has alluded to a "wetting agent" that would make this waaaaay easier but this is the best I could come up with on my own (the reverse-pliers/spreader).

Own them. Never thought of 'em.

Brilliant.
 

ImaginaryFriend

Fuck Entropy.
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Alright.

Everyone reading:

Not for this thread, but I think that for the next fifty-two hours, when you see something decent on this site, you should take the time to acknowledge it with a 'Brilliant' reply.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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"what are your latex tubes "wet" with?"

i usually use saliva. known as "spit" in the colloquial vernacular. but, hey, use whatever excretion you desire.

you ever see a mom spit on her kids hair to help arrange it? usually this occurs in front of other kids and the poor victim has this long suffering look on his face.

but revenge is sweet. the kid will then do something like scratch his nuts through his choir robe while doing a solo in church. just as the camera flashes go off. or stick his finger up his nose.

one time i was out on my boat working with my usual crew of divers and we had a new diver on board that i was training. we are all suiting up on the gunnels when this new kid asks for some "mask de-fogger", which they sell at dive shops. well, one of the grizzled veterans says, "sure kid", grabs the mask, spits in it and hands it back. the kid was already a little green from the motion and that was all it took. i'm yelling at him, "not in the boat, not in the boat, over the side", but to no avail as he goes all over the deck. he had the whole muthaf**kin ocean and he uses my boat.
 

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