Ca$e Study:Advanced Nutrients vs. Lucas

[FoCo(No.Co)]

For this test, we compare the cost of Advanced Nutrients 'professional' bloom nutrient line with the cost of flowering the same system with General Hydroponics Maxibloom one part fertilizer. Silica is used in the Maxibloom schedule in place of ph up. 1 tsp.(7g) Maxibloom + 2 mL Silica / gallon works RO water, so that is the schedule we quote.



Price quotes are for the smallest sizes available.


Source:
Discount Hydroponics


Analysis:
Lets say for the sake of our study that we are using a 100L(26.42 gal) reservoir that needs to be changed once a week. Our strain is a quick one and finishes in 7 weeks.


Advanced line weekly recommended schedule(for 100L reservoir):
Week 1:400 mL Connoisseur A, 400 mL Connoisseur B, 200 mL Voodoo Juice, 200 mL Pirahna, 200 mL Bud Candy, 200 mL Tirantula, 200 mL Sensizym
Week 2: 400 mL Connoisseur A, 400 mL Connoisseur B, 200 mL, 200 mL Bud Candy, 200 mL Tirantula, Voodoo Juice, 200 mL Big Bud, 200 mL Sensizym
Week 3: 400 mL Connoisseur A, 400 mL Connoisseur B, 200 mL Bud Candy, 200 mL Big Bud, 200 mL B-52, 200mL Nirvana, 200 mL Sensizym
Week 4: 400 mL Connoisseur A, 400 mL Connoisseur B, 200 mL Bud Candy, 200 mL Big Bud, 200 mL B-52, 200mL Nirvana, 200 mL Sensizym
Week 5: 400 mL Connoisseur A, 400 mL Connoisseur B, 200 mL Bud Candy, 200 mL B-52, 200 mL Overdrive, 200mL Nirvana, 200 mL Sensizym
Week 6: 400 mL Connoisseur A, 400 mL Connoisseur B, 200 mL Bud Candy, 200 mL B-52, 200 mL Overdrive, 200mL Nirvana, 200 mL Sensizym
Week 7:200 mL Final Phase



Total amount and cost of each nutrient for 7 week cycle:
Connoisseur Part A- 2400 mL @ $28.49 for 1 L= $68.38
Connoisseur Part B- 2400 mL @ $28.49 for 1 L= $68.38
Big Bud- 600 mL @ $38.95 /L= $23.37
Overdrive- 400 mL @ $35.95/L= $14.38
Sensizym- 1200 mL @ $33.49/L= $40.19
Bud Candy- 1200 mL @ $27.95/L= $33.54
B-52- 800 mL @ $41.49/L= $33.19
Nirvana- 800 mL @ $23.49/L= $18.79
Voodoo Juice- 400 mL @ $99.49/L= $39.80
Tarantula- 400 mL @ $139.95*/L= $55.98
Piranha- 400mL @ $30.49/L= $12.20
Final Phase- 200 mL @ $19.49/L= $3.90
*Discount Hydro only carries the powder version, so the liquid L was quoted from the low range of other online hydroponic stores.


Total for Advanced Nutrients Pro Line: $412.10



Lucas weekly schedule:
Weeks 1-6:
(26.42 tsp Maxibloom) x 6 weeks
(26.42 mL Silica Blast) x 6 weeks
Week 7: Water flush



Total amount and cost of each nutrient for 7 week cycle:
Maxibloom- 1110g @ $10.95/2.2lbs = $12.19
Silica Blast- 398 mL @ $11.95/gal.= $1.25


Total for Lucas Formula= $13.11

 

[greenmatter]

here we go again what does a bag of maxibloom cost?

 

[TheBioMaster]

Oh no please not another one....

 

[Caravaggio]

First time ive seen this thread. Anyone do a side by side with photos of the grow yet?

 

[Shcrews]

my stoned ass would probably get confused halfway through mixing all the additives, then fuck it up somehow.

good breakdown, lucas FTW... naw but House&Garden for real

 

[Buddler]

Comparable to maxi bloom under twenty bucks, complete with chelated micros and vitamin B ... B

 

[farmdalefurr]

ill stick w/ maxibloom @ $15

my wallet is much fatter than when i used AN.

ugh, looking back i cant even believe i used 7 bottles of shit

 

[Grobot2010]

Nice cost analysis, thank you for running the numbers. When you're done, if you can update with the final crop yield results and comments on product quality for the two trials that would be spectacular!

 

[Hydrolized]

Am I missing something or is your whole mathematical equation off because you are comparing AN with ALL of the recommended additives, with just one GH product with NONE of the recommended additives?

If your going to do all the AN stuff, you need to include RapidStart, FloraBlend, Floralicious Plus, FloraNectar, Liquid Koolbloom, Dry Koolbloom, and Diamond Nectar from GH in your Maxi numbers to make it fair, or am I missing something here?

Don't get me wrong, I despise AN and think they are a greedy showboat company, but this just seems so one sided, like you are trying to maximize your numbers against AN.

 

[TheBioMaster]

What has been shown with these test time and time again is that you can take ALL of AN's garbage and then take ONE GH product and get as good or better results.

I guess for a more apple to apple test he should be using the AN one part Super Nutrient against GH's Maxibloom and see which does better.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

So if you used 1110 grams that is 158 gallons of mix. So if I used Lucas formula with the jungle juice I get the following.

158 gallons X 6ml equals 948 ml of micro
158 gallons X 9ml equals 1422 ml of bloom

So it cost $9.56 for the micro per quart. I will round a little as a quart is only 946 ml so I will assume that the micro cost $9.56.

The bloom cost me $7.50 a quart. Sop that is $11.27 for the bloom.

So the cost of Lucas with AN Jungle Juice is $20.83

I do not use AN I use Jack's so I have no stack in this. I have run the AN junghe juice in coco and with my RO water I did not need to change the PH. Still even with just the Jungle Juice it cost more then the Maxibloom does.

So if I did the numbers right the Maxibloom is only 63% of the price of the jungle juice.

 

[MaynardG_Krebs]

Am I missing something or is your whole mathematical equation off because you are comparing AN with ALL of the recommended additives, with just one GH product with NONE of the recommended additives?

If your going to do all the AN stuff, you need to include RapidStart, FloraBlend, Floralicious Plus, FloraNectar, Liquid Koolbloom, Dry Koolbloom, and Diamond Nectar from GH in your Maxi numbers to make it fair, or am I missing something here?

Don't get me wrong, I despise AN and think they are a greedy showboat company, but this just seems so one sided, like you are trying to maximize your numbers against AN.

I think what he's trying to do (and it's been done countless times before) is to compare the ridiculously complicated to the sublimely simple. Most of us know what the result will be which is healthier plants with just the 'KISS' method and a pile of plants with problems with all the other crap thrown at them.

mgk

 

[TheBioMaster]

Yep, good post MaynardG krebs! That is why I was like , "oh no, not yet ANOTHER thread about this"!!

If you somehow over the past couple of YEARS managed to miss ALL the threads comparing AN's slew of watered down broken up components designed by a MARKETING team and NOT people who grow.......you will indeed find the same answer every time, AN is overpriced garbage that is not nearly the best on the market. They use the CHEAPEST source materials like UREA for nitrogen and yet charge the most for them!! Brilliant!!

A simple search will bring literally hundreds of thousands of results in which people break down the cost of the AN nutrients and how they compare. In fact lots of nutrient makers are now starting to include with the product information a break down of contents and cost analysis with other competing/similar products.

But hey, why not post YET another thread with the same information in it showing the same results. It has been at least a week or so since anyone has done this...LOL!!! Guess it is time. And as long as it exposes the CRAP Over priced garbage called AN nutrients, then more power to you!

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

Oh no please not another one....

That's what she said.

Am I missing something or is your whole mathematical equation off because you are comparing AN with ALL of the recommended additives, with just one GH product with NONE of the recommended additives?

No because I'm comparing two schedules, not two brands.

I think what he's trying to do (and it's been done countless times before) is to compare the ridiculously complicated to the sublimely simple. Most of us know what the result will be which is healthier plants with just the 'KISS' method and a pile of plants with problems with all the other crap thrown at them.

mgk

Yea that's all Im trying to do.

Personally I have never seen an actual example of how much each costs. Everyone knows that you will spend more on AN, but I think there are alot of people who dont realize how much more.

A simple search will bring literally hundreds of thousands of results in which people break down the cost of the AN nutrients and how they compare.

But hey, why not post YET another thread with the same information in it showing the same results. It has been at least a week or so since anyone has done this...LOL!!!

I'm really sorry I wasted your time by writing that up. It was rude of me not to consider TheBioMaster. In the future, I will try to take your feelings into account.

 

[TREE KING]

Yep, good post MaynardG krebs! That is why I was like , "oh no, not yet ANOTHER thread about this"!!

If you somehow over the past couple of YEARS managed to miss ALL the threads comparing AN's slew of watered down broken up components designed by a MARKETING team and NOT people who grow.......you will indeed find the same answer every time, AN is overpriced garbage that is not nearly the best on the market. They use the CHEAPEST source materials like UREA for nitrogen and yet charge the most for them!! Brilliant!!

A simple search will bring literally hundreds of thousands of results in which people break down the cost of the AN nutrients and how they compare. In fact lots of nutrient makers are now starting to include with the product information a break down of contents and cost analysis with other competing/similar products.

But hey, why not post YET another thread with the same information in it showing the same results. It has been at least a week or so since anyone has done this...LOL!!! Guess it is time. And as long as it exposes the CRAP Over priced garbage called AN nutrients, then more power to you!

thats a very strong statement. after all the shit talkin against a.n i finally said let me give dyna gro a try instead of the sensi 2 part i usually use. the main reason i did this though is because everyone was raving about dyna gro. after trying it out my plants grew way slower than with the 2 part and i also got the most airy buds ive ever grown. i dont give a shit was type of nitrogen a.n uses the shit is off the hook. i literally got plants that were a third bigger using the 2 part.

 

[TheBioMaster]

My statement obviously was not strong enough.....and what was YOUR statement there fruit cake?? Man I get tired of these wanna be's......

Let me repeat my statement for tree king, maybe he will understand this time.....

AN SUCKS BALLS!!!!! IT IS A RIPP OFF!!!

Better?

If you had problems with a more complete and much BETTER formula that uses better source materials than AN, then maybe that says something about YOUR growing skills? Or perhaps your knowledge of growing in general??

That is ok, it is your money and you are welcome to WASTE it on all the garbage you want!

Be my guest....!!

Some people just do not like to admit that they have been duped by AN!! I would not want to admit that either...so the replies like from Tree King are VERY MUCH common and expected! One day they will wise up or run out of money one.....LOL!!!

One thing I have seen true time and time again, once a grower really starts to understand growing and plant biology, the more they see what a ripp off marketing game to make money AN really is.......

 

[ogenko]

ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
where's some pics

my money on the Maxibloom!!
aayayayyyeeeeeeeeeee

 

[decrimCA]

My statement obviously was not strong enough.....and what was YOUR statement there fruit cake?? Man I get tired of these wanna be's......

Let me repeat my statement for tree king, maybe he will understand this time.....

AN SUCKS BALLS!!!!! IT IS A RIPP OFF!!!

Better?

If you had problems with a more complete and much BETTER formula that uses better source materials than AN, then maybe that says something about YOUR growing skills? Or perhaps your knowledge of growing in general??

That is ok, it is your money and you are welcome to WASTE it on all the garbage you want!

Be my guest....!!

Some people just do not like to admit that they have been duped by AN!! I would not want to admit that either...so the replies like from Tree King are VERY MUCH common and expected! One day they will wise up or run out of money one.....LOL!!!

One thing I have seen true time and time again, once a grower really starts to understand growing and plant biology, the more they see what a ripp off marketing game to make money AN really is.......

Ah, nothing like someone who gets all riled up about AN.

Why?

So, you don't like them, so the heck what? Why the heck should anyone care?

Personally, I've loved AN since the beginning of my MMJ growing career. Yeah, their marketing is a little hardcore, but their posters and their website isn't doing my growing for me, so meh.

Use the nutrients, or don't.

But really, the whining on these boards isn't helpful to anyone. Talk about what DOES work, not what you don't like (and obviously don't have experience with).

 

[Buddler]

Ya i agree on that Decrim, Any of their base nutes are as good as all premium nutes.If ya dont like em try something else .B

 

[squarepush3r]

Lucas formula is 5-10-9 and created from 1 part micro, 2 parts bloom for GH Flora series products.

Maxibloom which is 5-15-14 as you can see is a bit different.