California--Amador Co. residents, we need you! Tri-county area may be interested

[gurnt]

Time to start a re call that scare the shit out of co sup

 

[rives]

I like your husband's comment, and after reading the comments in my local rag online, cannot believe that you were banned for anything that mild. Does Plasse have a stake in that paper by any chance?

 

[SeaMaiden]

That's a very good question, and my husband has since been able to speak with the paper's editor, who says that the decision was made by "corporate." I know that the paper was recently purchased by another corporate entity, I know nothing about them.

He had himself a pretty interesting conversation with that editor, too, by the way, a good portion of which focused on this morning's meeting. Where I'm pretty sure I seriously pissed off each supervisor in attendance, and perhaps county counsel, et alia, as well. I know my husband did.

They've passed the ordinance as re-amended with a few quibbling word-smithing changes, after defending themselves to my/our suggestions and declarations. If you go to the county site you should be able to hear the audio in the next 24hrs or so. I think you'll know me when I speak, I was, and still am, pretty pissed about the limitations they've placed on people. The very people who are least able to do for themselves.

 

[Hammerhead]

you probaly have your IP banned. There is software that will hide your IP and issue another one.. I use one ...

 

[Dawn Patrol]

All hail the proxy/VPN!!!!

 

[DoobieDuck]

...I was, and still am, pretty pissed about the limitations they've placed on people. The very people who are least able to do for themselves.

Let me guess...and they walk out of the meeting claiming they are doing everything possible to help the suffering? Best wishes SeaMaiden and thank you for your compassion..DD

 

[SeaMaiden]

you probaly have your IP banned. There is software that will hide your IP and issue another one.. I use one ...

All hail the proxy/VPN!!!!

Yes, and we can use that, but if we were almost anyone else, we wouldn't know of the technology or how to use it. Also, because my husband works for the local ISP all he has to do is call his friend who runs the CO and have our IP address changed. Which he did, but I asked him to change it back. This could be news worthy, especially since I'm a patient representative.

Let me guess...and they walk out of the meeting claiming they are doing everything possible to help the suffering? Best wishes SeaMaiden and thank you for your compassion..DD

EXACTLY! I don't know if I sounded compassionate yesterday or not, when we get a chance to listen to the audio then I'll have a better idea of how I sounded.

One thing for sure, I chewed their butts and they did not like it. Got very defensive.

Aha! The audio is up and they kindly broke it up into time periods. We were heard shortly after 9am, our portion of the audio begins after the discussion of the hot dog cart at the county building.

Edit: MMJ ordinance discussion begins about 20 minutes into the audio. I'm using a Linux machine and don't see minutes, but others may see them on their audio player.
http://www.co.amador.ca.us/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=11676

 

[Madhemp]

Just finished the audio, Nice! I'm sorry your BOS is seemingly the same group of "government officials" that appears everywhere. Particularly glaring while he was scolding you for stating your views, was the fact that although you and your husband both repeatedly pointed out that the information, facts, and oppinions expressed at the workshops and public hearings was completely ignored. He never addressed that! he just went on to tell you that he resented you for questioning him and the board. What an arrogant ass! I'm sure at times it must feel as though you are banging your head against the wall (a wall of idiots). I think you guys are doing a great job and really appriciate your efforts. So please keep banging yor head, and if it gives you a headache, I know a fantastic herbal cure

MH

 

[toughmudderdave]

They're going to get more as I am submitting a "Letter To The Editor" of the local paper that will specifically call out supervisor Novelli and his remarks about how the board "LETS" us attend "THEIR" meetings. What's next? We must address them as "My Lord"?

 

[rives]

They're going to get more as I am submitting a "Letter To The Editor" of the local paper that will specifically call out supervisor Novelli and his remarks about how the board "LETS" us attend "THEIR" meetings. What's next? We must address them as "My Lord"?

Novelli's speech was pretty surreal. Damned white of them to allow people to attend and comment.

 

[toughmudderdave]

Novelli's speech was pretty surreal. Damned white of them to allow people to attend and comment.

No shit. When I heard him say that, my jaw hit the floor. What's worse is nobody other than Seamaiden and I seemed to "grasp" what he was saying!!!! WTF!!!

Just sent the following off to the paper. We'll see if they publish my letter...

During yesterday's Board of Supervisors meeting, I was shocked to hear some of the statements made by the supervisors. You see, my wife and I spoke to the board and were very critical of them. Apparently they took umbrage with our criticisms. Tough. A note to the board...You ran for public office and got yourself elected. Deal with it. When you're a public official, you are subject to scrutiny. I , along with my wife, scrutinized you. You as public officials have the audacity to tell me and other members of the public who were present that you resented what we said? Who the hell do you think you are? Perhaps you gentlemen have forgotten that you work for us! And if we feel that you are not doing your job, you will be scrutinized and held accountable!


But let's discuss the whole “you work for us” issue, shall we?


One of the supervisors, in response to our criticisms, went on to say


“If you think we're doing something to your rights and personal liberties, we're LETTING you come up here and speak....If you think we're violating your rights by LETTING you come to OUR board meetings, then I'd like to meet with them afterward because maybe they haven't been to many countries. They need to open their eyes and see what's going on in the world...We, as a board, are LETTING people come to these meeting.”


Another supervisor made mention that we should be thankful we don't live in another country where we wouldn't be afforded these rights. Oh really? Quite frankly, I don't care. I'm an American citizen. I was born here. I live here. It really doesn't matter how other countries conduct their affairs and it most certainly has no pertinence when it comes to the rule of law within my country. Besides, am I to suppose that the comment was made to make me aware that I should be thankful that the board is gracious enough to “grant an audience”?


Let's think about that, shall we? It's nice to know that you gentlemen are “letting” us speak. It's warms my heart to know that you “let” us attend “your” meetings. What's next? The next time we attend shall we be required to address you all as “my Lords”? After all, weren't the “lords” of the past owners of large tracts of land? Did they not have others under their employ? Did their families not go back generations? Perhaps you gentlemen have lost sight of who you work for. You work for ME....not the other way around. And furthermore you do not grant me the right to attend public meetings. But don't take my word for it gentlemen; allow me to quote CAL. GOV. CODE § 54950 : California Code - Section 54950 of the Brown Act for you:


“In enacting this chapter, the Legislature finds and declares that the public commissions, boards and councils and the other public agencies in this State exist to aid in the conduct of the people's business. It is the intent of the law that their actions be taken openly and that their deliberations be conducted openly.
The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created.”
Please take note of the second paragraph in the code...The people in delegating YOUR authority do not give YOU the right to decide for us what we can and cannot know, and you most certainly do not “let” us attend. How dare you! You gentlemen have already violated the Act with your “special meeting” held on 12/27/2011. I was watching the BoS calendar before and after Christmas and your special meeting was not posted. Had it been posted, you can be assured that my wife and I would have been present.
The fact that you said what you said and none of your counterparts made mention of the audacious statements speaks to me. It tells me that perhaps this is the general consensus and mindset of the board in general. Ruling Class indeed. This county is in dire need of a changing of the guard.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Novelli's speech was pretty surreal. Damned white of them to allow people to attend and comment.

EXACTLY! I have experienced more surreal moments since moving here than I ever have in my previous life. Not even back when I was dropping acid did I ever have the kinds of experiences I have here.

No shit. When I heard him say that, my jaw hit the floor. What's worse is nobody other than Seamaiden and I seemed to "grasp" what he was saying!!!! WTF!!!

Just sent the following off to the paper. We'll see if they publish my letter...

Some folks did, but only a couple of them showed it, namely those who were sitting with us.

 

[Payaso]

Around these parts we call them the "Board of Stupids" for very good reason.

 

[SeaMaiden]

To the mods/admins, members, et alia, of ICMag who've offered support--THANK YOU.

 

[monkey5]

toughmudderdave, WOW! Great letter you wrote & posted here in your post #51 .. Thank you very much..SeaMaiden & Dave for everything you are doing for sick people! monkey5