Why did you guys go to bare vertical lighting?

[DHF]

Guys...I`ve got growbro`s at other places surpassing 3 and up to 4 per 1KW , so it`s not by any means impossible cuz with bare bulbs all things ARE possible......but....

Doin it with 40 watts per sq ft with them fukin cooltubes in a 5 x 5 tent.........I gotta know who what how when and where.....

I`m just sayin....and....I hope jbone comes back and rocks it so he can tell us howta replicate it....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Aerohead]

 

[420stoner]

when i read the thread of vertical growing i knew i have to grow vertical!
you dont need to spend money on a riflector so thats really good for me, plus it doest put of that much heat damm what else do you want!lol
cant wait to start my vert grow...laterz

 

[mrwags]

Question,

Since alot of you vert growers have at least at one time used cooltubes perhaps, would you guys say that it makes that much difference?

Reason being is Im hitting 3+ with a cool tube and my setup, but would like to try for more, maybe with a bare 1k and even a better yielding strain.

here is my current setup, works great, but Ill bet I can top 3lbs, just need to run some temp checks with a bare bulb....

That is exactly what I was talking about. Mr Robinson has done it I know for fact and this is why I was asking the question.

I'm Not Crazy
Mr.Wags

 

[Mister_D]

Guys...I`ve got growbro`s at other places surpassing 3 and up to 4 per 1KW , so it`s not by any means impossible cuz with bare bulbs all things ARE possible......but....

Doin it with 40 watts per sq ft with them fukin cooltubes in a 5 x 5 tent.........I gotta know who what how when and where.....

I`m just sayin....and....I hope jbone comes back and rocks it so he can tell us howta replicate it....

Peace....DHF..........

I'm with yas fred. I've seen peeps hit 3-4 lbs per 1k with mega cuts sog style, but never close with plants the size jbone is showing in that size area. Especially not with a fucking cool tube in a tent. Not saying it can't be done. Just not in my reality, and i'm not exactly new to the game. If jbone is serious and being truthful I seriously hope he comes back and shows all of us whats what.

 

[bobblehead]

That is exactly what I was talking about. Mr Robinson has done it I know for fact and this is why I was asking the question.

I'm Not Crazy
Mr.Wags

lol... Mr. Wags, I know you're not crazy... However I've never seen a HR grow with a lamp bigger than 600w. I'm new to the scene though and I'm not on all the invite only sites where his threads are... So, I could be missing something. When I asked HR for some tips, he told me he was focused mostly on smaller grows now. No mega wattage trying to get freakish buds.

In his tree thread he flipped a few 600w lamps around and I think they were like 18" from the plants? My room is based on his flooded tubes... Just w/o the pure hydro aspect. The faces of my shelves that hold the plants are 3' from the 3 600w lamps.

I'm in the front of the bandwagon for bigger yields from less light. I know it can be done. It can't be done with the light right in front of the plant b/c then you're loosing cubic footage for growing. The canopy needs to be evenly spread... and with the 18-24" single cola plants finishing at LEAST 6" away from the 600w lamps... there is no need for a cool tube. Just a gentle breeze.

HR gets his crazy yields b/c of total environmental control. Even then, it's not an all the time, every grow deal. We all have bad runs, even the great HR. I think that the more time you put in, the more often you will hit it out of the park...

 

[DHF]

The biggest thing about consistent yields in my case was gettin pissed off enough to make sure all ducks were in a row with laboratory conditions BEFORE ever bringin cuts and plants to said new location....Then....

My "inconsistent" results went away sooner than later from runs under the belt....I`ll say it once again.....

It`s the little things....and yeah......

Ain`t no guarantees from start ta finish.....but....Yas got nobody ta blame but yerself for ANYTHING short of excellence if yas follow the rules....

Killed 1000`s of plants over the yrs.....Got tired of it and figured out howta NOT do it...

Runs under yer belt.....DHF.........

 

[Jbonez]

DHF, you are a good read.

Have I really pulled 3 lbs? I have indeed, I do have a freak cut that was given to me claiming to be an OG kush, but it is far from anything close to OG, however, its a monster in bloom. In the pic I posted, we are running one of each cut we have. (we run coco, airpots and GH nutes) Airpots are part of our success, love your roots and your plants will love you back!

Normally we get around 2-2.5 because we run variances so yield is iffy unless I run a solid tent full of this particular cut I have, 3lbs is no problem with 11 2-month vegged cuts of this plant I have but the smoke is not the best compared to my other cuts.

I run a few other cuts, PK, pre98, ChemD, Urkle, Shroomy Diesel, Green Crack, Socal Master, none of which are known for yielding, however a little training and 2 months of veg help.

I wont go tit for tat or try and defend my claim, its not possible to prove anything with pics, but what I can do is start a grow and document it.

You guys are the only ones I can talk with intelligently about the higher yields associated with vert, many people are very reluctant to believe that vertical does anything, but Ive been doing it for 2 years now and have seen first hand how vertical performs.

OH, and BTW

Just got another tent setup with a bare bulb, so much fucking easier to keep cool..... Where the fuck have I been..........

Ill document this for you guys to see, be setup in a few days but wont be blooming for another month.


Dont be so quick to judge me, Im an intellect and will meet childish retort with absence, Id rather contribute, so spare the skepticism for the juniors, lets see what this next run will do bare bulb, after some trials, its easier to keep cool without the fucking cooltube and Im pretty pissed about this as I should have tried it sooner.

woe is me, looking forward to this one, gimme a few days and Ill post pics of the new setup.


PS. DHF, Ima challenge you on the whole 40w per square foot, sure from a mathematical standpoint you are correct, but unfortunately photons do not dissipate evenly in every direction (bulbs would have to be spherical in shape) and the actual square footage the light is targeting is focused in the center of the tent, so what exactly do you mean if you dont mind bro?

LOL did I hear correctly? someone hit 4 lbs? thats just beautiful, but I bet the plant count was pretty high...... Im not afforded this luxury, so I grow the plants bigger.

 

[Jbonez]

bit more info on my setup.

We keep NO moms.

All plants are cloned before bloom, this gives me 65 days of veg and lower plant counts provided we root in 5-6 days.

For maximum transpiration the environment must be as followed.

78F+/-
RH 35-45%
plenty of air flow (we use tower fans on two of the corners of the tent because they save space)
Lucas formula, usually Maxi bloom and Epsom salt, all with RO water.

We pull most not vital fan leaves after the stretch, anyone not trying this is crazy.

EDIT: Keep in mind in the pic I posted, this is not my grow, I supervise this grow, one of my "padawon" grows lol, he cant clone to save his life, so I am not sure exactly what amount of veg time those had, prob took him 3 weeks to get em up and running.

I try and help people but its hard when they dont take the initiative lol.

My grow show is currently vegging, and Im just setting up for the bare 1k, so bare with me, Id like to see what happens, I took my top 3 yielders for this run, My crazy "OG" cut, PK, Pre98 bubba.

Doubt Ill hit 3 this run, Ive only got about 40 days of actual veg before I flip, so Im keeping my fingers crossed, if you guys want Ill wait for some more Veg time? Not a problem, Ive just been itching to get back to what ol bonez does best.

 

[catalyte]

definitely stick around Jbonez!!

i'm very grateful you are sharing your knowledge and experience.

 

[DHF]

Bro....Not callin you out in any way shape , form , or fashion , but....

You broke the bank with the "2 month veg" to reap your pulls , and that`s the difference between more crops per yr with less veg and faster turnaround bar none.......

I`m not just a good read Bro.....Everything I tell folks is the way it is.......period....no inflated ANYTHING....so....

I look forward to "full disclosure" on said setup and what it takes to get said results per crop , per month , per yr..........in a 5 x 5 tent.........

Peace....DHF.........

 

[Jbonez]

Bro....Not callin you out in any way shape , form , or fashion , but....

You broke the bank with the "2 month veg" to reap your pulls , and that`s the difference between more crops per yr with less veg and faster turnaround bar none.......

I`m not just a good read Bro.....Everything I tell folks is the way it is.......period....no inflated ANYTHING....so....

I look forward to "full disclosure" on said setup and what it takes to get said results per crop , per month , per yr..........in a 5 x 5 tent.........

Peace....DHF.........

Veg time has nothing to with the number of crops Im pulling in a year bro,(5 on average) bloom room has zero down time and always has plants in it, the next round is always in the veg tent waiting for harvest for their turn, as I said, I dont keep mother plants, its pointless....

DHF Please forgive me, I dont understand sometimes what you are posting, Its not a grammatical issue, I am just very technical, kinda my downfall sometimes lol. Take what I say with a grain of salt, its usually a lack of understanding context, I dont argue with anyone, not on the internet, its hard to convey context with words alone lol.

If anything, you seemed to be the least skeptical of anyone posting.

 

[high life 45]

I like the mixture of vert and horizontal with adjust a wings. IM building a room right now and hoping to pull some 2-2.5# ladies. I have hit the 1+ pretty easily with a 3-4 week veg. I let to let the adjust a wings penetrate the top and the verts get the middle and below. I ended up with about 3.5grams of popcorn out of 17 or 18 zips.


Sealed room vert is my favorite way to cultivate and I doubt ill go back to exhausting my room for quite a while.

 

[Anti]

Jbonez:

Not to sound like a hater, but you came in claiming you hit 3 lbs, then you showed us a picture... then you went back and added (after being questioned) that it's not your setup but a friend's grow... and now you have no pictures of YOUR stuff because it's vegging.... and they'll only get 40 days this time so they won't hit 3 lbs.....

Not to be a hater (said it twice)... and please take this in the gentlest way possible, but it sounds like you're backpedaling.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

(Not hating.)

If you have some serious knowledge to drop, please drop it.

We like veg pictures around here, too.

 

[Jbonez]

Jbonez:

Not to sound like a hater, but you came in claiming you hit 3 lbs, then you showed us a picture... then you went back and added (after being questioned) that it's not your setup but a friend's grow... and now you have no pictures of YOUR stuff because it's vegging.... and they'll only get 40 days this time so they won't hit 3 lbs.....

Not to be a hater (said it twice)... and please take this in the gentlest way possible, but it sounds like you're backpedaling.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

(Not hating.)

If you have some serious knowledge to drop, please drop it.

We like veg pictures around here, too.

NO DOUBT!

And none taken!

My situation is "unique" to say the least...

Big shot grower, teacher, guy you go to for advice.. that was me at one point in time....... "what up atl" lol.

anywho, I dont grow in my home, not anymore because of my wife, and only because of my wife...

So.... whats a greenthumb to do?

What I do best, and that is teach the fundamentals to as many of those that would have me. I take their harvests for the first few runs, the grows are ran by me until I leave em to get on their own..

please keep reading.

The next grow is being setup "at a friends" and yes, plenty of pics to come. Ive left a forum over this topic, I wish those guys would check out DHF, maybe they wouldnt be so skeptical?

I call grows I supervise mine, I "released" the grower in the pic about 8 months ago, hes on his own, so its hard to dial the grow to my specs.

However, this next one is under my full tutelage, ergo, its my grow. I accept any and all criticism for it as well....

I was on a "hiatus" of sorts, and am working to get back to my own spot.... tired of teaching and watching my genetics perform for other growers.

So backpeddling has now become clarification, and I can further answer any questions.

I am here to get better, but their is little doubt about my capabilities...

At this point, and once I dial the new setup, DHF may be the one to take me to the next level....

 

[dubwise]

I'd like to chime in on this as well. I'm with Anti. In the most kindest ways....I'd love to see what you've got going on....I've been trying to prove the point behind longer vegged for weight, if trying to keep numbers down....but it would be real nice to increase overall yield for the given amount of time given to grow. If you're pulling that kind of haul, I'd love to see how your ladies look in veg....understanding that genetics play a pretty important role, forgive me....I'm high and rambling....

 

[Hammerhead]

I use a 600 and I can get 6 oz from my Vertical per plant(depending on strain). I had P13. I hit 6.10 oz with that plant. I had Mss x SB bx1 I hit 8.04oz with that plant.. Most of the time im hitting 5/6 oz per plant.. These numbers might be low to some of you guys but there awsome for me. When I was using cooltubes I was hitting 2-4oz per plant..

 

[Jbonez]

I'd like to chime in on this as well. I'm with Anti. In the most kindest ways....I'd love to see what you've got going on....I've been trying to prove the point behind longer vegged for weight, if trying to keep numbers down....but it would be real nice to increase overall yield for the given amount of time given to grow. If you're pulling that kind of haul, I'd love to see how your ladies look in veg....understanding that genetics play a pretty important role, forgive me....I'm high and rambling....

In roughly 2 days time you will be privy to any and all I can contribute to this thread, of course in my own thread.

Just waiting on a few "loose ends" and the show is live....

Currently we have been vegging almost two weeks, Id like to see minimum of another month of veg but fuck it, Ill show you a 2 month vegged plant if you want. We dont keep moms, clone-veg-bloom never stops. Ill explain later.

Again, this will all be cleared up once the setup is finished... Til then!


Anyone familiar with how Subcool grows, will understand my setup. Veg tent, Bloom Tent. They are both always running and always have plants in them.

perpetual.

 

[Hammerhead]

yes I also grow subcools gear. I have some Querkel in flower now..

 

[Jbonez]

yes I also grow subcools gear. I have some Querkel in flower now..

Querkel is a nice "from seed" strain.

My "old" friend grew nothing but sucool based gear, Lotsa guys talk shit about Subcool, not sure why, sure hes a pollen chucker, I could care less lol...