30% of 21 to 34 year-olds now live back with Mom & Dad

[Luv-U-Long-Time]

It never ceases to amaze me that some people still want to lay blame on others for their supposed misfortunes.Are you fucking kidding me?

God forbid you might have to make your own way, somehow.What's with the woe is me crap?

In actuality, I thank my lucky stars for people like that...more for me to hustle up.100 pennies makes a dollar each and every time...still.

Opportunity is everywhere for them with their eyes open,slightly more than half a brain then the general populous and a willingness to do something about it.

I'm quite sure it isn't the baby-boomers telling these 10 year olds they're all 'winners' on the soccer fields of America nowadays.

I've seen some of them play, winners they ain't.

Cry me a fucking river

 

[megayields]

trade school fellas!
learn some skills using your hands.
my electrical expertise will never allow me to go broke.
why?
electricity can be dangerous and kill you.
8 years of college don't teach you that.
but im more than happy to suck your bank acct dry doing it.
my worst employee makes well over $20/hr.
best over $65, overtime isn't a problem.
granted i live near the most expensive city in the states, so pay rates are somewhat skewed.
plus you can't beat no bid contracts to keep those pay scales rising, thx jerz!

i kno schmucks who owe soooo much in student loans, but can't tie their shoes w/o help.
only engineering degrees will get you paid handsomely in the future.
also work in the "green" field, but im not talking mj.

college is worthless, only because everybody gets a degree, where do you stand out? u don't.
i never did a day of college once i graduated high school, i'm better off than 90% of my friends.
no skills, no money and no direction is no way to live.

Well here in S.C., Cali. I know 3 electricians who have been out of work for over a year each, one already lost his house??

 

[wantaknow]

well if i could get some girl scout cookies ...............i wont be living like oscour the grouch

 

[m314]

I find it amazing how LITTLE hiring is going on in "high-tech" area!

Have you looked at the statistics lately? People with Bachelors degrees have an unemployment rate of less than 5% in the Bay Area. It's more like 3% for those with technical degrees. The tech industry is booming out here; in fact that's why I moved here from the East Coast a little over a year ago. You don't have to be a superstar engineer to get a good job. You do have to spend time outside of work learning new things and keeping your skills current. You have to focus on learning and practice your problem solving skills to do well in interviews.

The problem around here is that there are two separate economies. Technology and everything else. The tech industry is booming, so tech workers have it great right now. Most other industries are still struggling. Software engineers with good salaries can afford the housing prices around here, but people working in other areas sometimes can't. I'd have to live with my parents or roommates if I had a typical non-tech job with the housing prices here.

 

[Rob547]

I for one am certainly part of that 30% haha. In my experience people with tech degrees are on whole different level compared to those with Bachelor's. Idk the statistics as to Bachelor's and unemployment, but I would definitely say its a lot higher in my area. (~9% unemployment rate). I don't know many people using their degree for anything, employed or not, myself included. The people that do have real (and good) jobs, are engineers.

2 big things I see as part of the problem have already been mentioned but...
1) Old people not retiring, coming out of retirement to work shit jobs for benefits or whatever reasons. College grads/entry level career kids just don't have the experience unless its IT or engineering etc. I've heard countless stories, just heard one tonight, of 200+, 500+ people applying to ONE position. Things like retail and tellers etc, salesmen.

2) Current day college students being told just go to college, get a degree. Maybe that worked back in the day, I know plenty of 50+ yr olds that have very good jobs with hardly the education of today's requirements. I was sucked into this plan, and was caught up more with graduating, taking interesting enough courses to get through etc than what it actually was going to help me do. Turns out its pretty fucking useless other than saying i have a bachelors on an application. If I had to do it again I would have gone technical, 2 years and done, cheap school etc. In fact I'm already back in school because my degree is so useless

needless to say, its a deep and tough hole to get out of.

 

[Hydrosun]

That is a cop out. What a bunch of crap, blaming us... Puuuleeze!

So the 15 trillion in debt is the 21 - 34 year olds fault? Please tell me you are fucking joking.

 

[Stoner4Life]

30% of 21 to 34 year-olds now live back with Mom & Dad



for starters that's a rather arbitrary figure & statement.


is that to say it's a 5% increase over the usual 25% of 21-34 yr olds typically living @ home with the folks or is it a 25% increase over the usual 5% typically living there?

Because of the housing bubble or in spite of it?

is this a year to year phenomenon or are they comparing this to decades past?

I'm not doubting that the number is right but there's a lot more to consider than just that 30%.

 

[serious6]

im disabled - hurt in an industrial accident in '78, i retrained myself as a red seal accountant and worked full time until '94 when the memory started to go on the fritz. i then worked as a business owner and prospector in the summer until 2003 when health issues forced me back to the cities for health contacts and i grew commercially untill busted in 2009 plus seed production.

for the last 3 years ive had to exist on long term disability, which is not much and an age plus mental health barment to employment.

why is there unemployment? because peeps like it where its warm, will not take a lower paying job and are pacifists. alaska is screaming for people but nope, theres always an excuse why not to go. i would love to work - we are an untapped market of skills
but we have to listen to 20 - 30 year olds whine about how tough it is. use the stepping stone method and get a level entry job and then move up like the older ones did.

i forgot; i have university, trade school, on the job apprenticeship and certifications

 

[ronbo51]

Education, from bottom to top has been completely hijacked by many of the most inept our society produces. School has become a little laboratory to test all the neat theories that these self absorbed pukes have dreamed up. It's all about politics now, and it shows in the final product. I lived in the bush for 25 years, made my house, my food, built ponds, gardens stone walls, outbuildings, businesses. Everyone I knew was the same. Self reliant, strong work ethic, generous, had skills and souls. Now I live in a college town. It was a strategic decision, looking towards the future. I bought a beat down house with a great lot and good bones and have been making it nice over the years. I could have bought a really nice, finished house, but no way. I am nowhere near underwater because I made a smart move. Something I always thought, but never really knew for certain has become glaringly apparent since I moved to this college town.(town has 20k people, but 26K students. College professors, and those that work with them, around them, are in their peer group, are the dumbest most incompetent people I have ever seen, without a doubt. You talk to these folks and you lose all respect for higher education. They don't do shit, they get payed a lot of money, and they can't think their way out of a paper bag. Even in their own fields many are just bumbling boobs. Why do you think they invented tenure? To protect the incompetent. For most of these guys just getting dressed and out the door in the morning is the big accomplishment of the day. I have been in SO MANY homes in the early morning as a contractor and seen this with my own eyes. It is a HUGE MISTAKE to allow these people to have places of power. At least if you keep them caged up in Academia they are limited in the harm they can do. Just look at the poster child for stupid academics: Energy Secretary Stephen Chu. Never mind that the Department of Energy was created in 1980 with the SOLE MANDATE of making us energy independent. Trillions of dollars with NOTHING to show for it. Epic fail. Back to Chu. Started school at age 5 and NEVER LEFT. Never had the courage or curiosity to seek his way. So brilliant but nothing to show. Nobel prize just like Obama, and Gore, for what?? This frightened little hack stayed in school his whole life and now will supposedly lead us to... where is his list of accomplishments. We see the failure all around. They see victory because they talk. In their world talk is the solution. Agendas, meetings, symposiums, lectures, guest speakers, budget committees. And at the end of the day its handshakes all around and cocktails at the watering hole. Their world is fine and dandy. My world, filled with men with skills and the desire to get things done is in real trouble.

 

[ronbo51]

Just one quick example:
I worked on a major remodel of a nice home here in town. The homeowners were both highly educated. He was the Department Head of Electrical Engineering, the big Kahuna, top dog in a huge department at a huge research University. She had a masters in Architecture, but had NEVER had a job, done a job, been to a job. Zero experience. She must have bugged him for years about redoing the house and finally gave in. Instead of hiring a contractor to run the job she pulled the permits and set about running her own show. Stupid. Well, right from the start she began fighting the town on the permitting and design changes, a lot of structural changes. Plus a lot of what she wanted to do was dumb and the way she wanted to do it was dumb and before you knew it the house was torn from top to bottom, holes in the roof with tarps, busted up concrete floors in the basement. The plumbers ran their lines 5 or 6 times. The building official would come and tell her it was wrong. She covered shit up any way and town made her dig it up . Simple shit like hardwood and tile coming together at different heights because since she had never DONE ANYTHING before she couldn't see down the line. We tried to guide her, but she was a stubborn bitch who would listen to no one. She spent well over 200K on this remodel and added NO VALUE to the house in the end. Hell, most of the stuff that's wrong can't be fixed. Architects, I think I read the other day that an Architect is one of the 5 worst degrees for jobs.
Her husband was worse. He became so upset that he stopped coming home and just stayed at the office. He vowed he would never set foot in the bathrooms because they were such a mess and so fucking stupidly redone. When we were tearing out a wall somewhere we ran across a 12 volt light that HE had put in himself. He might have been the Department Head of Electrical Engineering but he must not have known anything about electricity because when we found this switch it was wired all crazy and had caught fire and eventually tripped a breaker. When we pulled the thing out of the wall it was a melted plastic mess that could have taken the house down. That's who is running the country boys and girls.
Elect carpenters, accountants, nurses. Make these idiots we have in power now come out and try and make a go in the world that they built.

 

[mad librettist]

The most telling comments are those claiming it's all about how much effort you put in as an individual.

This ignores one fact of economics: as wages fall, fewer people can afford to buy the fruits of your labor. Dollars then go up in value, and prices fall.

The wrord for this is "deflation", and it's the primary cause of economic recession or depression.

No one is financially successful in a vacuum. It is a direct result of living with a collective marketplace.

In other words if you think your success is based entirely on your own actions, you only have half a clue.

 

[LouDog420]

 

[Bullfrog44]

I think it is funny people think they need to go to college to make money. Apprenticeships were the way of the past, and with how corrupt our school systems are, they are the wave of the future. Maybe there are just too many fake degrees being pushed.

I started working in the trades strait out of high school. I went to classes for electrical and carpentry which is considered part of your apprenticeship. Got certified in both, and have to continue to takes classes as part of your continuing education and to keep up your certifications. I may not have had classes teaching me a wide variety of stuff, but I sure as hell know how to do my job.

I make 75g's or more a year. Yes I work my ass off and my body pays for it, but it is good money. I think these college grads wouldn't touch a hammer if they knew a good career would come of it, too good for that type of work.

Hope everybody with college degrees or not find work, but the notion that you have to have a college degree is funny. And what is even more funny, is the notion that once you have that degree you deserve a job.

 

[THC123]

I have a bachelor degree in management assistant option translating and interpreting, i speak and write 5 languages

I have paid lots of money for the education and just cant find a job with it

I am now working at a fucking customer service after looking for a decent job for 3.5 months and they dont pay much

this is a real bitter pill to swallow for me, all those years of hard work for nothing

for the moment i cannot afford to live on my own

I get paid 1300 euros where i work now

rent is about 5-600, then there is gas and electricity and then you have to eat , pay gas for the car............


difficult times


and i dont wanna be dependant on growing mj as long as it is illegal and i can get a criminal record

 

[Bullfrog44]

What kind of job were you looking for? What does management assistant do when found job in the correct field? Seems like the 5 language part fits your current job, customer service. Before you become management you usually have to climb the ladder. Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you can shoot to the top of a company. What type of job were you expecting?

I have a bachelor degree in management assistant option translating and interpreting, i speak and write 5 languages

I have paid lots of money for the education and just cant find a job with it

I am now working at a fucking customer service and they dont pay much

this is a real bitter pill to swallow for me, all those years of hard work for nothing

for the moment i canot afford to live on my own

I get paid 1300 euros where i work now

rent is about 5-600, then there is gas and electricity and then you have to eat , pay gas for the car............


difficult times


and i dont wanna be dependant on growing mj as long as it is illegal and i can get a criminal record

 

[THC123]

What type of job were you expecting?

same as my first job = assistant sales manager

customer service is more in the direction of a callcenter and doesnt pay much and you only need a highschool degree

thats why i wanted to find another job as assistant sales manager cuz you immedialtely start at a much higher pay , which here in Europe , is normal for people with a bachelor degree

Plus you dont have to take the same amount of shit

 

[mad librettist]

I have a bachelor degree in management assistant option translating and interpreting, i speak and write 5 languages

I have paid lots of money for the education and just cant find a job with it

I am now working at a fucking customer service after looking for a decent job for 3.5 months and they dont pay much

this is a real bitter pill to swallow for me, all those years of hard work for nothing

for the moment i cannot afford to live on my own

I get paid 1300 euros where i work now

rent is about 5-600, then there is gas and electricity and then you have to eat , pay gas for the car............


difficult times


and i dont wanna be dependant on growing mj as long as it is illegal and i can get a criminal record

have you looked into arts organizations that deal with international talent (opera companies, museums, etc..)?

 

[Luv-U-Long-Time]

The most telling comments are those claiming it's all about how much effort you put in as an individual.

This ignores one fact of economics: as wages fall, fewer people can afford to buy the fruits of your labor. Dollars then go up in value, and prices fall.

The wrord for this is "deflation", and it's the primary cause of economic recession or depression.

No one is financially successful in a vacuum. It is a direct result of living with a collective marketplace.

In other words if you think your success is based entirely on your own actions, you only have half a clue.

Right.

So let's all just cry about it in the interim.Another liberal arts maroon checking in I see.

In the meanwhile, I'll keep unclogging toilets,trimming trees and just about whatever else I can to keep from slitting my wrists.

Because we all know that these evil capitalists have caused people to stop shitting and the trees to stop growing.

The folks with half a clue are those that think what's out there is beneath them.I'll keep stacking my pennies and my ammo and eat you w/BBQ sauce someday.What I won't do is blame somebody else...call me crazy.

 

[brotherindica]

Lots of good comments in here.






Since I fit in that age range and have done all the above retail/food service/shitty labor/etc, construction/hvac/electric, college degree or 2...........would like to add a comment or two.







A number of college degrees today are bullshit. Even the legit degrees, engineering, biology, chemistry, physics, biochem, etc aren't as easy to find jobs as say 10 yrs ago. People are starting to wise up, realizing their comm/business/marketing degree won't do shit for them, and are starting to get in to the sciences.



A skilled trade providing reliable work is an excellent idea, and much like growing, your skills can largely impact $ earned.







As far as success........a drive to succeed is the separating factor between "making it" and "not"..........and perhaps a big set of balls (or ovaries, ).............IMHO






Not saying the current global economy is in a good place, but a large amount of individuals I've met or know in the 21-34 age range don't have a "make it or die attitude". They may have a degree, be intelligent, or be "motivated", but won't do "whatever it takes, by any means necessary". There is sincere ambition, but not a wild, savage, raw desire to make things happen.




Get a degree....or 2, while you work a job or 2, and maybe have a garden or 2 as well? Whatever it takes, by any means necessary. BUST YOUR MOTHERFUCKING ASS





The rest of the world is in the same boat. People everywhere are looking for better living. Pushing harder and doing more than anyone else is key in getting "ahead' in this current world.





Just my

 

[ronbo51]

Anytime, anywhere you hear the word "collective" applied to humans it's usually spoken by those that believe in being "collected", and it's usually the state that does the collecting. "Social Justice" is another one the collectivists like. Justice for the collective.