Hey guys! While searching for the hydro system that suits my lifestyle, I came across the UCDWC system with auto top off. That along with Lucas Formula made perfect even better, haha. Next, I looked into different types of grows to find one that would complement the UC. It was not until another grower on GC suggests that I grow trees as it is easier to manage. I didn't think much of it at first, but as time went by (with countless hours surfing the net) I started to get more comfortable with the idea of growing trees. That brings me here. I have a lot of questions about tree style grows and hope to get as much information on them as possible.
Okay, the layout. I have two rooms to use. One will be a 10x10x8 and the other is 13x13x8. They will not be using c02, but please include your thoughts on what you guys would do if it were a sealed room so that when the time is right, I will implement it. The plants will be in an 18gal tote from Home Depot. They will be in 10" net pots and have cage fencing just like Gettrogro's. The rooms will be flopped . I will also have a veg room also that will be growing in UC's.
I plan to use the configuration that DHF had in his 10x10 perfect rooms with 4 plants in a diamond shape and 5 lights in an "X" shape. It looks like this with X's being plants and O's being lights:
OXO
XOX
OXO
With this configuration, each plant is blasted with light on three sides.
For the 13x13 room, how should I go about this to make it ideal? I was thinking of putting 7 plants with 8 lights that will look something like this:
OXO
XOX
OXO
XOX
OXO
I went with this layout because after looking at Gettogro's layout, his rooms were 9x13 and on the long side he was able to put three trees and two lights in-between them, so if it were a complete 13x13 room, he would have been able to fit all 7 trees in there with 8 lights using DHF's configuration. I might be wrong, as I am just doing napkin math just by looks. Gettrogro dedicates 4'x4' of space for his trees to grow into when done right. This I also plan on using as a rule of thumb for spacing. What are your guys’ thoughts on spacing between each tree growing in a 10x10 room and 13x13 rooms?
Now that we are talking about spacing, I want to also ask how high or low I should place the vertical lights for optimum light usage? I don't want to put it too high/low. How far should they be away from the trees? I read in the "Benefits of Vertical growing" thread that any light under/above the bulb is the dead zone. So, let's say for a 4-5ft tree, where would I hang the bulb so that it will most efficient for the trees? Also, in the same thread, I saw that with a 1k watt bulb, you can place it 10" away from the plants, but I plan to use a bare bulb, does it mean that I can move them closer since it won't have the radiated heat from using shades?
After reading Gettogro's thread, I read that he doesn't prune his trees until after day 21 - 24 of flower. He defoliates them. What do you guys think about this? So far, with all the information that I've gathered with tree style grows, you veg for X number of days depending on genetics and then you flower for X number of days with no training except with tying them during flower.
Speaking of tying them up, I like how Gettogro uses fencing cages and nets to keep his ladies in check. I know he puts the cages on at the start of flower and guide his ladies through the cages as they stretch, but the nets, when is the right time to put them on? Let's say you are using a strain that goes for 9-10 weeks, on what week would you start using the nets? I don't want to use them too soon and have the branches fall over and that would defeat the purpose. I don't want to use it too late either because it will make things harder than it should.
Is there something I should be doing in my veg phase to prepare these trees for flowering (this includes pruning etc)? This leads to my next question, what are the maintenance/steps I would need to do after the flowering phase, if there is any.
Are there specific tools/gadgets that I will need for this type of grow? For example, the PVC that I will be using needed a chamfering tool to make it smooth around the PVC pipe so that it doesn't push the solvent way into the tee's that it connects to, causing it not to seal tightly. I know that with every system there are a set of tools that is specific for it. This is why I ask this question.
The last question I have for now is root conditioning. I plan to use DM Zone Is there something else I should be using? I am looking for a combo or stand alone that will help me fight the long haul until these monsters are done. Gettogro said he uses a tea for his last grow and it helped him fight off slime and bacteria outbreaks. I don't know how to brew so, is there an alternative for this? If there isn't that means I will learn how to brew in order for me to overcome this obstacle. In that case, if anyone knows a thread or website that teaches/demonstrates on how to brew, please link it.
I am open to new styles/ideas on how you guys have your tree grow set up. I want to absorb as much knowledge as I can with this style of growing! Thanks in advance guys!
Okay, the layout. I have two rooms to use. One will be a 10x10x8 and the other is 13x13x8. They will not be using c02, but please include your thoughts on what you guys would do if it were a sealed room so that when the time is right, I will implement it. The plants will be in an 18gal tote from Home Depot. They will be in 10" net pots and have cage fencing just like Gettrogro's. The rooms will be flopped . I will also have a veg room also that will be growing in UC's.
I plan to use the configuration that DHF had in his 10x10 perfect rooms with 4 plants in a diamond shape and 5 lights in an "X" shape. It looks like this with X's being plants and O's being lights:
OXO
XOX
OXO
With this configuration, each plant is blasted with light on three sides.
For the 13x13 room, how should I go about this to make it ideal? I was thinking of putting 7 plants with 8 lights that will look something like this:
OXO
XOX
OXO
XOX
OXO
I went with this layout because after looking at Gettogro's layout, his rooms were 9x13 and on the long side he was able to put three trees and two lights in-between them, so if it were a complete 13x13 room, he would have been able to fit all 7 trees in there with 8 lights using DHF's configuration. I might be wrong, as I am just doing napkin math just by looks. Gettrogro dedicates 4'x4' of space for his trees to grow into when done right. This I also plan on using as a rule of thumb for spacing. What are your guys’ thoughts on spacing between each tree growing in a 10x10 room and 13x13 rooms?
Now that we are talking about spacing, I want to also ask how high or low I should place the vertical lights for optimum light usage? I don't want to put it too high/low. How far should they be away from the trees? I read in the "Benefits of Vertical growing" thread that any light under/above the bulb is the dead zone. So, let's say for a 4-5ft tree, where would I hang the bulb so that it will most efficient for the trees? Also, in the same thread, I saw that with a 1k watt bulb, you can place it 10" away from the plants, but I plan to use a bare bulb, does it mean that I can move them closer since it won't have the radiated heat from using shades?
After reading Gettogro's thread, I read that he doesn't prune his trees until after day 21 - 24 of flower. He defoliates them. What do you guys think about this? So far, with all the information that I've gathered with tree style grows, you veg for X number of days depending on genetics and then you flower for X number of days with no training except with tying them during flower.
Speaking of tying them up, I like how Gettogro uses fencing cages and nets to keep his ladies in check. I know he puts the cages on at the start of flower and guide his ladies through the cages as they stretch, but the nets, when is the right time to put them on? Let's say you are using a strain that goes for 9-10 weeks, on what week would you start using the nets? I don't want to use them too soon and have the branches fall over and that would defeat the purpose. I don't want to use it too late either because it will make things harder than it should.
Is there something I should be doing in my veg phase to prepare these trees for flowering (this includes pruning etc)? This leads to my next question, what are the maintenance/steps I would need to do after the flowering phase, if there is any.
Are there specific tools/gadgets that I will need for this type of grow? For example, the PVC that I will be using needed a chamfering tool to make it smooth around the PVC pipe so that it doesn't push the solvent way into the tee's that it connects to, causing it not to seal tightly. I know that with every system there are a set of tools that is specific for it. This is why I ask this question.
The last question I have for now is root conditioning. I plan to use DM Zone Is there something else I should be using? I am looking for a combo or stand alone that will help me fight the long haul until these monsters are done. Gettogro said he uses a tea for his last grow and it helped him fight off slime and bacteria outbreaks. I don't know how to brew so, is there an alternative for this? If there isn't that means I will learn how to brew in order for me to overcome this obstacle. In that case, if anyone knows a thread or website that teaches/demonstrates on how to brew, please link it.
I am open to new styles/ideas on how you guys have your tree grow set up. I want to absorb as much knowledge as I can with this style of growing! Thanks in advance guys!
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