40 year old beans

[CowboySpcd]

My uncle just sprouted some seeds that he has had since the mid 70s. A handful labeled a.gold the other marked hawaiian. He has a few sprouts and i am going to get one of each and track their progress here.

I would love to play guess the strain. Said it was top dollar pot back then. Came from a dealer on the upper east side of detroit. Can't believe these things popped after all those years let alone are actualy growing.

 

[Ultra Current]

You are a lucky guy. Those are going to shit all over the clone onlys. Good luck. Im still trying to pop my columbian golds from the early 70s with no success.

 

[JOJO420]

Those are going to shit all over the clone onlys.

just curious why you think this?

 

[Ultra Current]

just curious why you think this?

Because that is before all the seed companies fucked up the industry. Talk to old timers that traveled the world back then. They will set you straight. The REAL Columbian gold with no seed will shit on everything in terms of potency.

 

[mack 10]

great news! that's the oldest beans i've heard of,that actually grew. Mack

 

[JOJO420]

Because that is before all the seed companies fucked up the industry. Talk to old timers that traveled the world back then. They will set you straight.

aha, that makes sense. I need to get me some 40 yr old seeds asap,lol.. I talk to many old timers, I get a mixed response. Some say it was the best, and the rest ask where they can get some chemdog,lol. I do know what your talking about though, thanks for answering my inquery

The REAL Columbian gold with no seed will shit on everything in terms of potency.

This is true. I have grown a pure Colombian Gold and the potency was top notch. I think this guy has A. Gold though. How is that high? I see it grown in a lot of crosses , but not much pure. I bet his is gonna be fire.

The 40 year old Hawaiian stopped me in my tracks. That is a very rare seedline right there. 40 yrs ago, all that was grown here was mostly Sativa strains. The growers in a tight circle had just gotten the afghani, but it would grow like shit upcountry, and was only used by a few very select growers. What I'm sayin is the indica had not poisened the wonderful Sativa lines that were being grown at the time.
I know that the sativas were brought here by travelers,sailors, migrant workers and family from Fiji, Papua New Guinea, the Philippines and other islands. .Most of this was Indian sativa originally.
Seeds were brought here from places all around the world . The vets brought the thai, the viet and loas and cambodian. Mexican was brought here by smugglers and hippies and locals alike, so was the Jamaican.. After a couple of generation, it was HAWAIIAN. Depending on what Island the seed came from, it could be anything. Each Island has its own seedlines.
You have a real treasure here. I wish you luck and am looking forward to seeing what comes of these treasures.

 

[CowboySpcd]

Thanks folks! Looking forward to it myself. I will be dreaming of 24" fluffy sativa colas... . Try and get some pics whilevi am over there tomorrow.

 

[ixnay007]

Old Colombian sativas for sure were potent, but a lot of that potency is due to the fact that they were grown on the tops of mountains under tropical sun..

Same thing with Hawaiian strains, don't discount the environmental angle.

 

[Ultra Current]

Old Colombian sativas for sure were potent, but a lot of that potency is due to the fact that they were grown on the tops of mountains under tropical sun..

Same thing with Hawaiian strains, don't discount the environmental angle.

The old columbians that you probably smoked were seeded. My boy was growing the columbians in the 70s in greece and only females. The santa marta gold specifically. seeded weed is less potent. He has traveled the world for the best.

 

[SOTF420]

I'm all for the old school strains myself and this is exciting, but it's totally ignorant to claim they are so much stronger and better than today's modern strains that came from them in the first place in most cases. The vast variety today from many breeders and seed banks and all the progress genetically is unmatched by any other time in mankinds history with Cannabis! We have everything from inbred stable lines to rare landraces to multi-hybrids and prized clone only selections at our fingertips nearly. With such potent champions like Super Silver Haze, NL #5 x Haze, Neville's Haze for instance amongst many many more, it's really amazing that anyone could believe for one second that everything is all "fucked up" today and everything is ruined because that is just simply total utter bullshit! No offense but selections for potency and traits don't ruin the genepool or take anything away from strains from the 70's if anything it only improves them and further refines the desired traits growers and smokers are looking for like plants that can be done flowering in 8 weeks for example and are adapted to indoor growing with high yields to match. This is a big can of beans obviously but let's be realistic here, compare some good commercial buds from the 70's to some top notch primo organic meds from growers on IC and there is just no competition there. Pot has gotten much stronger, and there is far more variety, and it's far more available. All said, it's always excellent & highly desired to resurrect something from the past but that does not have to mean everything from the present is not equally important or automatically of any lesser quality.

Good luck with your seedlings and grow, I'm sure they will be interesting to see! Much love & good karma to you.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

no doubt my mother gave me a bag of seeds from some crazy skunk weed back in the 90s i gotta sift thru them and see which ones are still viable. Goal is to find that real deal skunk that was once in circulation none of this weak mass super skunk shit that is a knock off of the real deal. im talkin the real ROAD KILL SKUNK... good luck on them old beans bro sure you will find a keeper in there

 

[ojd]

amazing find man,i am definately jelous
good luck bro and keep us informed with the progress and try take as many pics as you can throughout this grow

i got to agree with ultra on this
yeah we got some real nice indicas but we lost all the old original sativa';s from back in the day
and any that are around are kept real close by the big breeders and not given out
i love me those exotic old school sativas that taste amazing and ripp your head off

im very excited by this thread and cant wait for this to unfold

peace

 

[ixnay007]

The old columbians that you probably smoked were seeded. My boy was growing the columbians in the 70s in greece and only females. The santa marta gold specifically. seeded weed is less potent. He has traveled the world for the best.

I was born in the 70's, I've never smoked any of the old school landraces in the form that hippies did.

I think you may be mistaken about the potency of seeded weed, trichomes are formed to protect the sensitive genetic material in the seeds (from things like UVA and UVB and heat) and although the plant may grow less quantity wise, the potency of seeded weed is not to be underestimated. My personal experience says seeded weed isn't any weaker (though the extra processing to remove the seeds does mess up your buds a bit), but I can only go with what I know in this case.

 

[SOTF420]

Those are going to shit all over the clone onlys.

I don't see where he said much about Sativa's being lost, he said clone only strains get shit on and seed companies ruined everything, which is bullshit.

Tons of excellent old school Sativa's are available from at least a few seed companies right now, like ACE Seeds for instance. Some nice Sativa's also available from Shanti, even Greenhouse has some nice lines which before they went to fem beans even offered clean male/female lines. There are more landrace Sativa seeds available to everyone now than any other time in history, and let's not forget the old Skunk #1 lines still made available by Sam the Skunkman who had a big part in it's origination to begin with. Heck even landrace Thai seedlines are just a few keystrokes, and a few clicks and a money order away today.

And all this recent craze with the Diesel strains, well those are mostly Sativa's and some of the Kushes are too and what confuses matters most are the name changes over the years and all the different expressions that have been popularized. (and sorry guys real Kush comes from Hindu Kush!) Nothing is lost per say, maybe just not getting over the borders like it was in the 70's in bricks full of seeded weed and we are growing far more domestic product now and people don't want to grow long flowering tropical Sativa's that take 12 or 14 weeks to flower and in most cases cannot reasonably do so indoors anyways. Plus medical users benefit greatly from the Indica hybrids and their more sedative pain relieving effects as well as elevated CBD levels. Alot of progress has been made in Cannabis genetics since the 70's and it continues to this day moving forward.

 

[ojd]

i hear what your saying soft420

but i dont find many really good true sativa on the market today
nevil haze,sam skunkman sk1 haze,dubi1,tomhill haze but not much other proper old school stuff

last time i tasted soemthing really nice and exotic was something reeferman had in amsterdam when he was over there doing his thing

we got some amazing things these days

diesel,og kush,chem etc but where the old school sativas
i grew some thai from some weed and hoinest it came out looking like shit but was amazing for some thai,crazy lemon taste and real pure sativa high no indica whats so ever9i will grow these again 1 time when i have the room(i seen some great reports of gypsy thai also and would def like to explore that)

but what i was more saying is nothing about the breeders messing shit up,more like breeders dont wana mess with this stuff etc and its prety much im posible to get a real crazy old school sativa apart from the few i mentioned in clone or seeds

peace

 

[Ultra Current]

I'm all for the old school strains myself and this is exciting, but it's totally ignorant to claim they are so much stronger and better than today's modern strains that came from them in the first place in most cases. The vast variety today from many breeders and seed banks and all the progress genetically is unmatched by any other time in mankinds history with Cannabis! We have everything from inbred stable lines to rare landraces to multi-hybrids and prized clone only selections at our fingertips nearly. With such potent champions like Super Silver Haze, NL #5 x Haze, Neville's Haze for instance amongst many many more, it's really amazing that anyone could believe for one second that everything is all "fucked up" today and everything is ruined because that is just simply total utter bullshit! No offense but selections for potency and traits don't ruin the genepool or take anything away from strains from the 70's if anything it only improves them and further refines the desired traits growers and smokers are looking for like plants that can be done flowering in 8 weeks for example and are adapted to indoor growing with high yields to match. This is a big can of beans obviously but let's be realistic here, compare some good commercial buds from the 70's to some top notch primo organic meds from growers on IC and there is just no competition there. Pot has gotten much stronger, and there is far more variety, and it's far more available. All said, it's always excellent & highly desired to resurrect something from the past but that does not have to mean everything from the present is not equally important or automatically of any lesser quality.

Good luck with your seedlings and grow, I'm sure they will be interesting to see! Much love & good karma to you.

1. When breeders breed they can also pass on bad traits that you cant see until much later on. Yes good traits get passed and so do bad ones.

2. The award winning strains that you speak of get bought. Money buys cups.

3. I have personally seen companies like sensi seed back in the early 90s. It is very obvious that moms and dads are long gone and they say not. It is very obvious that they fucked up a lot of their shit. Greenhouse too. The seed business is for profit, not preservation. Lots got lost in the name of money.

3. The J1 that the old guy has will shit on almost anything. Ive never smoked a more potent strain in my life but the columbian grown sensi was more potent.

The real breeders are artists and are a lost breed. There are very few left. Money runs things now. Money is not an art. Marketing tells you your info now. Im not saying there is no good shit left, but it is not the same as a whole in the industry. I could pop almost anything in the early 90s and it was fire compared to 1000s of shit packs of today. There are still good trees but not like the past as a whole. Breeders brought seeds to the landrace strains. They were pollenated and lost forever. As far as potency goes and breeding, if I have blue eyes and fuck a girl with blue eyes and have a kid, there eyes dont get more blue. It is easier to lose potency not gain potency. You think a company can successfully test out 1000 males and continue to test thw offspring for generations. No. ill show you some old seeds In the old guys vault that will change your mind one day.

I was born in the 70's, I've never smoked any of the old school landraces in the form that hippies did.

I think you may be mistaken about the potency of seeded weed, trichomes are formed to protect the sensitive genetic material in the seeds (from things like UVA and UVB and heat) and although the plant may grow less quantity wise, the potency of seeded weed is not to be underestimated. My personal experience says seeded weed isn't any weaker (though the extra processing to remove the seeds does mess up your buds a bit), but I can only go with what I know in this case.

Me and who I call the old guy have both noticed that even dusting a select branch on a plant lowered the potency of that plant compared to the same clone unseeded in the same conditions. Tests were done in 2 locations multiple times. Just an observation we picked up.

 

[SOTF420]

Hawaiian Snow is some truly old school exotic Sativa from the past that is very potent and it's some of the best I have ever smoked myself. I have two packs of the old male/female beans from GH before all the fem bullshit, those are about 8 years old now but I know they are viable and kept in the fridge at stable cold temps. I'm gonna do a big open pollination with them as soon as I can because I would love to have thousands of those to sort through and make available to people who want them in male seed form.

I still say there are far more high quality Sativa seedlines available today then any other time in history and the Internet has widely increased the information regarding them as well as helped to spread the seeds far & wide to growers everywhere. Of course Gypsy and his crew has helped get them out there too In the 70's I could not get Jack Herer seeds or Trainwreck clones, or Amnesia Haze or NL #5 x Haze for that matter. I could go on and on and write many thousands of words repeating this same concept but don't let the effects of nostalgia confuse the reality of the matter.

I think Cindy 99 is better than the vast majority of old Sativa strains that used to circulate around in the past and it yields more and flowers in half the time! Of course there were some real standouts and true legends of the day that were just given general point of origin names for the most part and today these have actual specific names and are our elite's in seed form and clone-only strains, again more of them today and more available than ever before. There are more growers preserving more diverse lines and more landraces (both Sativa & Indica) that are in greater circulation worldwide and made available to people who back in the 70's could not have even imagined the amazing varieties of Cannabis in present day 2012.

@ Ultra Current

Just saw your post after I posted mine, I'll say potency is not everything. There is alot more to the puzzle than sheer potency, strains effect people differently and what you think is potent may be no big deal to another dude out there who smokes big cones of it like it ain't shit. Alot of strains today have been bred for quality of high and specific types off highs and in many cases stronger is not always what people want and in particular medical users who have specific needs that are satisfied by specific strains with unique medicinal qualities. Again, a ton of progress compared to what was available in the 70's.

 

[ahortator]

My uncle just sprouted some seeds that he has had since the mid 70s. A handful labeled a.gold the other marked hawaiian. He has a few sprouts and i am going to get one of each and track their progress here.

I would love to play guess the strain. Said it was top dollar pot back then. Came from a dealer on the upper east side of detroit. Can't believe these things popped after all those years let alone are actualy growing.

Hi

Congratulations.

How did your uncle preserve the seeds so many years?

Greetings.

 

[mr.brunch]

Hawaiian Snow is some truly old school exotic Sativa from the past that is very potent and it's some of the best I have ever smoked myself. I have two packs of the old male/female beans from GH before all the fem bullshit, those are about 8 years old now but I know they are viable and kept in the fridge at stable cold temps. I'm gonna do a big open pollination with them as soon as I can because I would love to have thousands of those to sort through and make available to people who want them in male seed form.


hawaiian snow f2s?????
yes please!!!

 

[CowboySpcd]

Wow. Thanks for the great discussion. Last i knew several of each were popping up. Should check in with him again. I will update in a day or two.