Question about shatter???

[Avinash.miles]

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from my exp i think it has to do w heat and stirring under heat, leave open in super dry cool place over nite
my process after purge is down to no liquid:
stir, heat, vac repeat repeat repeat
i stop @ a consistency i like, before reaching shatter state



imho shatter is overrated, it has nothing (that i can tell) to do w quality and everything to do w consistency.
plus shatter is a hassle, ever flung a few daps across the room, cuz it snaps so hard? terrible waste

 

[midwestHIGHS]

LOL the secrets of making shatter


edit: so far ive blasted the crappiest shake to the frostiest bud, cured, not cured, fresh what ever doesnt matter it has been shatter.
no vac either


I bring my oil tray up about 130-140F in a hot water bath.
when bubbles stop forming. I take my tray out of the hot water bath and and place it on a few ice packs to help it cool down faster(dont use freezer). once the oil is cold pop any bubbles that are left. Now throw it back in the hot water bath bring your oil tray up to 140F and start smearing the oil back and forth making it evenly flat. Doing this helps to purge any last bits of butane out because of how thin the oil and helps it harden. I continue to smear the oil back and forth untill theres pretty much no bubbles left. Then i scrape it up while its warm and get it into my tray quick before it hardens.

never take a dab of shatter without heating up your dabber first. ive had pieces fling into my eye all over my room, etc. Personally i think shatter stays fresh the longest because of its rock hard texture. other than that i also enjoy dropping bhombs on my nail with no dabber. and cant do that with some sticky sap



I get shatter with almost zero bubbles, zero butane taste and very smooth.

 

[SpinLover1]

I am. I'm tired of the feeling I get from smoking flowers. Just seem like it drags my body down (can someone say couch lock). I grow my own, so trim isn't a big deal. I'm kinda anal about trimming, so it's mostly sugar trim that I use. I think I am almost to a point to where I can almost solely use concentrates. That is my goal. Aside from the health benefits (at least how I see it) it will take much less to get more. As far as people around my neck of the woods taking it seriously...all my freinds love it when I come around. Some have actually turned hash down because they dont want to get too fucked up. Is there a such thing? Lol. No one knows I grow, but I'm sure they will eventually put the pieces together.

I am becoming an efficianado of sorts about hash it seems these days. I have my shaker box that I use to break up the flowers, and what I have now is dropping some serious kif in there. I know this wont impress people in med states, but I've got me a little collection going. Hash oil, honey, budder, kif, pressed kif, and about to make earwax (I think that is what it is called...mixing kif with honey). From someone who really never had much hash, mostly water extracted, to having a plethora to choose from...I'm stoked. Can't wait for my skillet to arrive, and I'm thinking about getting a portable vape too. My magic flight launch box just isn't doing the trick for me. I like the idea of making little shatter balls small enough to fit inside the loading hole of the Thermovape Revolution. Seems like it would be much easier than trying to dab some honey in there. That is the real reason for the thread. +, wo wou
Don't want to smoke/vape more feigned hash?

Let me reveal that I am American, but have spent a good portion of my life abroad. and I still cannot understand why hash is treated the way its treated in this country. I fell in love with hash in the 8th grade, and have not stopped loving it since. Now the whole concentrate thing is new to me, and I am convinced that it has a future, though I need to test how people in my area accept it, and possibly cross over to it.

I do hope that cannabis becomes fully legal, that said, I have this strong gut feeling that their is going to be a mad rush like we've never seen in this world, between major fortune 500 companies, for control over the patents and markets. C)2 super-critical extraction will be the norm, and you THC's, CBD's... will be noted with exactitude on the honey oil package.

 

[TdotGonG]

I do not know what most people are talking about ive gotten shatter from trim 30+ times on my runs, never have i had runny oil while using trim as material. also you do not need a vac purge setup to get shatter.

 

[sneaky101]

It could be my fault I guess. The past few times I made it I got a smaller pyrex dish to make it in so it would fit on the candle warmer and isn't spread super thin. Maybe I should just let it sit on the warmer all day to see if it turns to shatter once cooled down. Just figured 7-12 hours of 135* heat after there were no bubbles was unnecessary. As is, as a bowl topper and in my hash bubbler (waiting on my curve to show up in the mail) it is extremely tasty and has a consistency I think will make good dabs. Maybe next time I will try a bigger dish and give it a hot water bath. Just the warmer made it so easy. I can whip budder and have the gooey stuff, just not shatter...the journey continues.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

the larger the surface area the easier any residual butane can escape and makes it harden much faster. i make shatter every 3 - 4 days doing exactly what i said above.

 

[sneaky101]

Midwest, when you put it in your tray, is it uncovered? I have been storing it in a sealed jar.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

If you have ample trim, just play around with different teks? Try some carbon, it doesn't affect yield too much, but grabs long chain sugars, chlorophyll and other crud that comes thru in extracts that are not too clean..
Try get a usb coffee warmer, great for fiddling on yer desk while at icmag they work really well, once a simple purge has been done on a DBL boil, vac or the likes. Tranfer oil still warm and manageable to your jar it will be kept and used outa. Place jar on warmer on low heat, leave till tomorrow to purge fully without stirring or playing with it. It will cool and harden to a clear amber shatter.
I prefer to do without this process myself, just a quick double boil purge, stopping when the bubbles do, and then leaving oil in open jar for a few days to purge of its own accord. This gives me the balance im looking for with regards to flavors and solvent residues.
BTW hexane or heptane work almost as well as butane to make oil with quick soaks of material. Easy to make shatter from these solvents' extracts. Heptane Rocks
But i gotta a hand machined, custom little pressurized butane tube that is really a work of art, so it is BHO all the way most of the time, so quick and easy to make and use once you have the hang of it. Shatter...yeah, mission to work with, shatter in the eye and all over the lounge rings a few bells !

 

[midwestHIGHS]

I keep my shatter in small glass dabber dishes about 3 inches in diameter. Naw I dont keep them sealed up thats the beauty of rock hard oil, I just keep them covered with glass cup to avoid dust and other shit floating in te air from collecting on my shia. If it were maybe 14 grams plus ya a small 4oz tapered mason jar would be my first storage choice.

 

[hammalamma]

I use glass anchor hocking romakins with lids to store anything over a half zip, and you can vac purge up to a zip in one. I also can get hard sexy oil from almost any starting material. I think it is a bold claim to say one is able to achieve stable at room temp "shatter" from ANY starting material, I put the word shatter in quotations because I feel that word should be held for absolutes that actually shatter into a million pieces when dropped on a hard surface, not just the really hard bho that has "snap" to it and you can break off pieces. Just my opinion.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

well the material ive been running for months is all over the place in terms of quality. crap ass shake to fire buds and everything inbetween ive been able to make shatter from all of it. Im sure there is material out there i cant get to rock up, but so far ive gotten it everytime from the widerange of material I use. I have a feeling low quality trim would be a challenge.

Ya i know when people say shatter and its just a semi stable translucent oil that can be annoying, but i assure hamma this shatter is fully stable at room temp no bend or pull. rock hard cant even stick a cold dabber into it. Gotta heat up that dabber err time, ive lost many of dabs since i started making rock hard oils.

and im not saying shatter is the best either usually the semi stable translucent oils have the best flavor.

 

[sneaky101]

That's nice to hear Midwest. Mine is a honey consistency. Is that what would be called semi stable? Easy to get good dabs on a toothpick or dental pick. Stringy when it is pulled up and the tool needs to be spun to get it to separate from the mass of honey in the jar and twisted up as to not waste. I'd take a pic, but it is in an amber colored jar. Looking from the top (lid off of course) of the jar through it, you don't even noticed the honey. You can really only see the line it comes up to when looking at the side of the jar. I'm sure that is too uh info, but that is what I got. I'm trying to decide on the thermovape revolution or the persei for a portable vape while I wait on my skillet to show up.

Also, someone may be able to chime in on this. Honey....better than budder? I haven't vaped enough honey to really tell. Well come to think of it, I may have mostly just topped bowls with both. Currently my only vaped are the MFLB and the Extreme Q. Last year I had some honey...very small amount. And I was out of herb. I used ABV and used that honey. Very small amounts of honey each time and it did me right. About 3 bowls of AVB and that ones lasted me about 2 weeks! Granted,only vaped at night, but it got me through. That is when I was really sold on concentrates.

Sorry guys,I'm nOt even high right now and can't stop rambling...

 

[midwestHIGHS]

well semi stable oil is usually oil you can touch/bend for short amount of time while having some stickyness to it and doesnt shatter. If its a honey texture most would call that unstable.

Id say if both were fully purged then the honey because budder seems to loose flavor so fast IME after 3 days in my dish flavor goes from a 10 to a meh

 

[sneaky101]

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[ithruxix]

I get shatter from trim virtually all the time.

You are being impatient. Let the errl purge efficiently. You are simply touching it before she likes it to be touched, if you get my drift. It needs to be ready, young padawan.

 

[sneaky101]

I get shatter from trim virtually all the time.

You are being impatient. Let the errl purge efficiently. You are simply touching it before she likes it to be touched, if you get my drift. It needs to be ready, young padawan.

A young pdawan indeed (at least when it comes to bho). After a few of the previous posts I went and removed the cap of my jar and it is just hanging out ATM. Only a couple of grams in there, but the opening in only an inch to 1-1/2 inches wide. Starting to get more tacky I think. I have another run sitting in the freezer for a few days now. Guess I need to pull it out and let it air out too.

On a side note, I got my Hashmasta Kut curve in yesterday! Wool-hoo! Only problem is I have a slide style bong and the local head shop is having a tough time getting the female stem I need to convert it into a gong. Guess that may be better since I guess my bho isn't fully purged even though no bubbles appear when it is sitting on the candle warmer---hence the young padawan.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

when you say shatter do you mean dust or glass? i know you can get glass by just scrapping the oil after final purge with a razor blade and sticking it in the freezer. the temp change from warm to below freezing always got glass. then just break off the glass from razor blades into a metal tin and keep it in the freezer. so many razor blades....

but remember even in med states any extraction involving a chemical solevant is considered manufacturing of a controlled substance >> same charge as getting caught cooking meth...


PS::: glass can definatly be made from good trim...

 

[sneaky101]

When I say shatter I mean solid at room temp. I would like to be able to roll it into little balls or have little shards to put in the Revolution (just ordered!) that way I don't have to dab any in there and make a big mess. I know it's gonna happen, just trying. Also, once I get the correct downstream to use my new curve, I will be able to hear/see any sizzle to know if it is properly purged. When I top a bowl with my honey it just melts down over the bud and cakes it. Seems like one batch sizzled a little, but only one.

 

[Leocadius]

Hello
1 volume of oil for 5 solvent is added between 5% -10% of active carbon powder and stir for two minutes at 50 ° c
http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j...FRDPRoZP3QaKO0snw&sig2=kqHfQpNrH_gRMkax-XuQCQ

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

I'd use more ethanol, like a whole lot more? For carbon soaks I mean, the more saturated your carbon soak is the higher your losses will be.. You can add carbon and soak in a well diluted ethanol/iso solution and watch it go from pea green (acetone cancer oil extracts) to golden pee colour. Filter eth through hdpe funnel with cotton ball packed tight or charmin plug. Then evap or reclaim eth to half or less volume and put in freezer for at least 24 hours, filter through coffee filter catching gunk, wash filter with freezer temp eth and discard filter. Evap your ethanol and decarb at heat your oil for 45 mins to an hour and 90+ degrees centigrade. Decant into storage vessel while still hot or syringe up.. But be warned as soon as it touches a cool syringe it turns to epoxy like shatter instantly so prewarm your syringes for cancer patients.