mycorrhizal fungi as a rooting a powder?

[tylerdurden119]

just as the title says?

while researching myco's i came across an article where a guy dips his rooted cuttings into some before transplanting. seemed like a great idea. what about using it as the rooting agent?

 

[mad librettist]

arbuscular mycorrhizae won't even germinate in the absence of roots, so it's not going to encourage rooting.

however the spores will be there as soon as roots form, which could help.

 

[firehound]

at veg. transplant into larger 1 gallon containers. i clean the top of the rubbermaid tote i store used veg soil in( for transplant use.) this is per plant i repeat this process. sprinkle enough myco granules,powder etc. out just enough to lightly coat the top of the rubbermaid lid. pop the lil ladies out i spray the rootball with a water/kelp lolution (slightly weak). the gently roll the girl in the mycorrizae inoculant. put in new pot add the used (composted,aged,amended soil.) tuck her in nice too. just an idea ya know. trying is the best part.

 

[tylerdurden119]

nice, thanks for the replies guys. i'll just use it on the transplant. i normally amend the soil with it but rolling/coating the roots sounds bomb

 

[firehound]

myco's are fairly expensive doesnt take alot.I will see how it does when they get the axe and im removing rootball and main stem. but im thinking on mulching my trim and stems to the tops of my conatiners. thanks to (pinecone) for an awesome process that i will see how it works.from what i get information wise it will take a few recycles to make an impact on the soil life .

 

[thinkin]

MY VAM Guru says can successfully apply VAM with the root gel.

BUT I wait till roots poke out of the rooter then apply.

 

[firehound]

What is VAM? sittin and thinkin about it, but ....nothin

 

[Corpsey]

VeryAwesomeMycorrhizal



hahah

 

[moodster]

i dip mine in clonex and roll them in some mycorr and get thick fuzzy roots coming out of my jiffys try it and see

 

[Bunz]

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Bunz

 

[smurfin'herb]

just as the title says?

while researching myco's i came across an article where a guy dips his rooted cuttings into some before transplanting. seemed like a great idea. what about using it as the rooting agent?

I root in coco which naturally has Trichoderma. I get the best success rates from coco, and i believe the "Trichs" play a good part in the role. I have read numerous times of people and comapnies reccomending a beneficial innoculant for both seedlings and asexually propagated plants. Honestly tho, i would wait a week to apply to fresh cuttings. This will allow for at least some root to grow (nodules at least). I recently heard that if most beneficals dont find a root within the first 45 minutes, then they either die, or go into hibernation like state until roots come their way. Same with high salintity and beneficials, some die, but most go into hibernation. At least this is what i learned from a video i watched. Take it as it is.

 

[firehound]

thanks yourcorpse that never occured to me. is there a glossary with all the abbreviated terms used on ic.If a grower didnt read alot on icmag alot of those abbreviations would b overlooked. Im currently out of VAM just another thing to add to the list of supplies.
VAM VAM VAM

 

[Aeroguerilla]

all you need to do is dip your clone ONCE in the myco when it comes out the cloner. this will inoculate it. no need to waste the shit mixing it in your medium and i wouldnt bother tryin to root with it just dip them after they root

 

[Corpsey]

sorry i was joking before, this is what VAM really stands for...vesicular-arbuscular mycorrhizas

 

[firehound]

JOke taken . i use them in my organic grows.but dont waste my mycos when i use MB for a grow.from what i get they wont be beneficial with salt based ferts. I think it either kills them or they go dormant from what i have read in the past. plz correct me if im wrong

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

I mulch all of my soil with colonized straw/wood chip of oyster mushrooms.

Ill have to try the dipping the roots with the mycorrhizal instead of
mixing it with the soil. :-D Makes sense.

firehound..
it depends on your salt levels... because some fungi can
withstand extreme environments, and if you get the correct mycorrhizal fungi and
stropho(spelling) fungi they could very well survive without a problem.

I have run semi-organic before with coco fiber.. ppm no higher then 600. My
myc didnt die.

 

[firehound]

i did not know that thanks. im sure i will be over 600 ppm by the end of the grow. but i have used the less is more approach>

 

[plastochron]

there has been a bunch of research done on herbaceous and woody plants that indicate that VAM do promote rooting vigor in unrooted cuttings. on an aside, trichoderma is not a VAM, it is a saprophyte, which means it decomposes organic matter.

a bunch of in vitro and containerized studies has shown that VAM and a variety of rhizobacteria produce IAA. endogenous production of IAA in plants is a wounding response, which is why a lot of people don't even apply auxin to their cuttings (i do though as i find it improves uniformity of rooting vigor).

aside from the benefits of VAM that everyone knows about (improved nutrient/water uptake in limited conditions, improved nutrient/water use efficiency, improving tolerance to pathogens) for certain herbaceous crops that produce terpenoids it has been shown that early VAM colonization can improve terpenoid concentration and that is increase is independent of increased P status.

 

[Epiphyte]

Hey y'all...this is not directly related to mycos but here is my 2 cents on organic cloning...
I soak my jiffys in GO bioroot...it adds a little enzymes and root boosters. However I DIP my clones in AZOS which is a nitrogen fixing bacteria that also acts as a hormone....this method works better than jiffys with the Lowes/HD root solution....I think the others are a waste of money....

As far as mycos....I hear they have to have roots to started working

Phyte

 

[plastochron]

Most of the publications investigating the impact of endomycorrhizal inoculation on cutting propagation indicate that inoculation does increase root mass and root number. The reason I say root mass and not adventitious root initiation is that the majority of these studies were performed on hardwood or semi-hardwood cuttings and the PIs assessed rooting several weeks (usually >10 weeks) after sticking the cuttings, so one cannot infer that the mycorrhizae directly resulted in root initiation. Mycorrhizae and their associated bacteria synthesize and induce root synthesis of auxins (and auxin-like compounds), which I think is strong evidence to propose a mechanism for how mycorrhizae could induce root initiation in unrooted cuttings. It is a similar concept to the reason that Azotobacter inoculation improves root initiation. Admittedly there are not a tons of conclusive publications on the topic, but I believe there are enough to fill in the blanks. Attached is one of the publications that I believe supports my argument pretty well. I know there are some contradictory and inconclusive publications out there and results from the conclusive and supportive publications may have shortcomings and not be extrapolatable to cannabis... but regardless I stand by my postulation.