tell rosy to take a break
There is going to be a revolution if things keep going the way they are
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Talk about Ron Paul's supporter refusing to see reality!
Talk about Ron Paul's supporter refusing to see reality!
Veto is the key word!!!
"Severe reservation but won't use anyway".
Is this the same Obammer that campaigned on "Change" and "leave Legal MMJ patients alone"? Flops like a damn trout on the floor of a boat.
Glad you feel safer..... I feel safer...... don't we all feel safer. Hell, domestic terrorism is practically rampant in the country. Thank God, we have a government that "knows what is best for us". Long live Big Brother. Drones, assigned Combat Militarty to US soil (for crowd control), and NDAA would have definitely protected us from 9/11 and Timothy McVeih.
Opps...... need a law degree to come to those conclusions or discuss it.
NOT!!!!
Peace
Talk about Ron Paul's supporter refusing to see reality!
Veto is the key word!!!
"Severe reservation but won't use anyway".
Is this the same Obammer that campaigned on "Change" and "leave Legal MMJ patients alone"? Flops like a damn trout on the floor of a boat.
Glad you feel safer..... I feel safer...... don't we all feel safer. Hell, domestic terrorism is practically rampant in the country. Thank God, we have a government that "knows what is best for us". Long live Big Brother. Drones, assigned Combat Militarty to US soil (for crowd control), and NDAA would have definitely protected us from 9/11 and Timothy McVeih.
Opps...... need a law degree to come to those conclusions or discuss it.
NOT!!!!
Peace
Quote of the week. It's all about who controls the money supply. Everything else, including western puppet governments and their "laws", is noise.
“Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
– President James Garfield, 2 weeks before his assassination.
“Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
– President James Garfield, 2 weeks before his assassination.
Let me offer enlightment to those who have not yet woken up. We are in a 3rd dimensional reality. We came here of our own accord to learn. The 3D cycle is some 26,000 years long, and comes to an end in December 2012 as/when various celestial alignments are set to occur. A shit load of consciousness awakening will take place that propels those of us who believe there IS a better way.
You are already seeing evidence that the shift is happening when you see things you never dreamed like Judge Napolitano speaking out and losing his job with FOX (you can google it).
They know what's coming, and though they are doing all they can to prevent it, it is game over for them. A couple good places to investigate: Sean David Morton and Project Camelot. They have done a ton of interviews over the years, each of which is a piece of the puzzle.
You have to take personal responsibility and do your part if you want to exit 3D and transition to 5D
You are already seeing evidence that the shift is happening when you see things you never dreamed like Judge Napolitano speaking out and losing his job with FOX (you can google it).
They know what's coming, and though they are doing all they can to prevent it, it is game over for them. A couple good places to investigate: Sean David Morton and Project Camelot. They have done a ton of interviews over the years, each of which is a piece of the puzzle.
You have to take personal responsibility and do your part if you want to exit 3D and transition to 5D
Just another wheel jumping the crazy-train track...
Not to worry, it happens a lot.
You'll get used to it.
It even gets to be fun after a while...
Like reading Krugman and most of the opinion in the NY Times.
Crazy-Train on steroids. WHEEEEEEE.
Anyway,
Back to the OP...
Here's a gem that will begin some brick-shitting in the CDS biz. Let the bail-outs begin...
Private investors taking a 70% hair-cut is one thing...
Banksters taking 100% butt-reamings can't be allowed to happen. Why not?
(sings) Because you got to have friends...
“Statements and assurances from Greece are no longer taken at face value,” said Wolfram Schrettl, professor of economics at the Free University in Berlin. “There is a growing belief that Greece is looking for a sucker — and Germany’s playing the sucker.”
Financial experts say they still expect the deal to go through in some form, but the haggling and potential changes — spiced by a remark from the Greek finance minister, Evangelos Venizelos, that “there are many in the euro zone who don’t want us anymore” — were enough to send financial markets reeling in Europe and the United States.
Yup, Evangelos...you got it.
They're brooming the pan-handlers from the sidewalk, but in a easy polite way as to not to disturb the paying customers inside the Eurozone bistro.
They're hoping that you will move to the Chinese restaurant next door.
Should get interesting in March when the bills come in...
For whats left of Greece, that is...that hasn't burned down by the "I want my Mapo" crowd.
Back to the OP...
Here's a gem that will begin some brick-shitting in the CDS biz. Let the bail-outs begin...
Private investors taking a 70% hair-cut is one thing...
Banksters taking 100% butt-reamings can't be allowed to happen. Why not?
(sings) Because you got to have friends...
“Statements and assurances from Greece are no longer taken at face value,” said Wolfram Schrettl, professor of economics at the Free University in Berlin. “There is a growing belief that Greece is looking for a sucker — and Germany’s playing the sucker.”
Financial experts say they still expect the deal to go through in some form, but the haggling and potential changes — spiced by a remark from the Greek finance minister, Evangelos Venizelos, that “there are many in the euro zone who don’t want us anymore” — were enough to send financial markets reeling in Europe and the United States.
Yup, Evangelos...you got it.
They're brooming the pan-handlers from the sidewalk, but in a easy polite way as to not to disturb the paying customers inside the Eurozone bistro.
They're hoping that you will move to the Chinese restaurant next door.
Should get interesting in March when the bills come in...
For whats left of Greece, that is...that hasn't burned down by the "I want my Mapo" crowd.
Puppet Padademos has it all under control. /sarc
I think the straw that is going to break the back of this Greek Tragicomedy is that the PSI (private sector involvement) deal is going to fall apart at the last minute.
Greece's economic collapse is accelerating (-7% now). All of their budget targets will be impossible to meet as they are in the death spiral. Soon to be followed by the rest of the PIIGS,
I think the straw that is going to break the back of this Greek Tragicomedy is that the PSI (private sector involvement) deal is going to fall apart at the last minute.
Greece's economic collapse is accelerating (-7% now). All of their budget targets will be impossible to meet as they are in the death spiral. Soon to be followed by the rest of the PIIGS,
You think Greece isn't going to default? Do you believe the austerity is working and is a long term sustainable solution?
He's referring to the massive March 20th bond payment that Greece can't pay unless they get the second bailout from the Trokia (ECB, IMF(USA), EU). If they don't get this solved in a few days then Greece will hard default (ie.the bill will come due). They need to get it wrapped up now because of the length of time it takes for the PSI to restructure. Really they are fucked already IMO.
From SocGen (France's BofA)
That's the same narrative from 2008 and Lehman. "It's all priced in."
From SocGen (France's BofA)
The MSM media has moved away from the narrative that Greece can be fixed. The new narrative is now that the "firewalls" are in place and the fallout can be contained.
That's the same narrative from 2008 and Lehman. "It's all priced in."
We could all die tomorrow. Anybody that cares to pay attention knows what's going on. Thing is, many of these conversations are not only speculation, they're paychecks for the speculators. Gold hawkers, survivalists, etc. Remember when Beck sold doom food in a sack? Who in their right mind buys gold at 1600 an ounce these days?
Nobody argues that everything's fine. We just don't all apply the same level of imminent doom. I don't know if you've noticed but austerity ain't working very well in Europe.
Nobody argues that everything's fine. We just don't all apply the same level of imminent doom. I don't know if you've noticed but austerity ain't working very well in Europe.
Not doom. This is history in the making. Fascinating stuff IMO.
I'd take an ounce gold over $1600 USD anyday. When Europe starts to default everyone is going to turn the printing presses on. Bad for fiat good for gold. It's pretty obvious how central banks are going to try and solve all the world's problems. I think I'm on the right side of the trade which means being on the other side of the printing press.
I've been saying that a Greek default was coming and that it will eventually spread to the rest of the PIGGS since the first Greek bailout. Speculation maybe, but it's pretty obvious to me following the data to it's logical conclusion that there is no other way.
Bailouts work.....until they don't.
I find fascinating the Grand Canyon of silence when asked about application of ending the fed and returning to the gold standard. Anybody with serious intent of changing things so profound would have to at least model their intent to be taken seriously. If the establishment took any of this half-serious, they'd offer they're own models.
Folks got upset when they thought they heard Obama say he'd turn a blind eye to weed, even though the very next sentence states he's not in favor of legalization and it's still federally illegal. Half the country still balks at weed and opponents make significant congressional reform impossible with this president.
IMO, a high percentage of Paul's platform are congressional reforms he can't possibly manage. I feel kinda bad for folks who think the president can do anything he wants. But I'm pretty sure they'll realize, if and when a free market libertarian ever makes it to the Oval Office
Folks got upset when they thought they heard Obama say he'd turn a blind eye to weed, even though the very next sentence states he's not in favor of legalization and it's still federally illegal. Half the country still balks at weed and opponents make significant congressional reform impossible with this president.
IMO, a high percentage of Paul's platform are congressional reforms he can't possibly manage. I feel kinda bad for folks who think the president can do anything he wants. But I'm pretty sure they'll realize, if and when a free market libertarian ever makes it to the Oval Office
I answered your question directly in the RP thread. We aren't going to go back to the gold standard voluntarily. The market is repricing gold as the reserve currency. Iran, China, India, etc etc have started trading using their own local currencies or a commodity based exchange (gold). The USD is getting phased out as the global reserve currency. This will lead to significantly lower living standards for all Americans. Inflation will be rampant. The application will be through poverty for many.
No one is going to sign a bill and go back to the gold standard. That's impossible. The market will dump the USD as it's reserve currency and find something stable (as it's already doing).
The FED will end themselves eventually.
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...Should get interesting in March when the bills come in..
would be interesting to know what kinda dope you're doing
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Sorry, my bad.
I thought you were paying attention.
There's this country called Greece and it borrowed a real shit-load of money, gave it away and spent it all. Now they're broke and some bills are due in March and they want to borrow even more money but the bankers are a little (really a lot) worried that Greece will take the money and pay them back with a middle finger. The bankers have a quandary on their hands because they're screwed either way they go because Greece really will never be able to pay the money back anyway, but Greece is small potatoes compared to other countries that borrowed a double shit-load of money and if they get the finger from them too, then a bunch of the bankers and their pals are gonna take it in the ass hard.
The idea is that friends don't let friends get sodomized.
There's a few more angles to it, but that's about it.
They talk about Euro stability and dominos and whatnot but it's not about Greece.
It's all about the epic butt hurt coming for excessive enthusiasm for profits from selling unlimited booze to alcoholics...
Looks like they got pretty much the whole AA membership in on it too.
They already pulled the "If I'm bunkin with Bubba, then you're coming with me" trick a couple of years back and it worked...
Get your wallets out because they're pretty close to trying it again.
Pay attention... I ain't gonna do your homework again.
...Should get interesting in March when the bills come in..
would be interesting to know what kinda dope you're doing
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Sorry, my bad.
I thought you were paying attention.
There's this country called Greece and it borrowed a real shit-load of money, gave it away and spent it all. Now they're broke and some bills are due in March and they want to borrow even more money but the bankers are a little (really a lot) worried that Greece will take the money and pay them back with a middle finger. The bankers have a quandary on their hands because they're screwed either way they go because Greece really will never be able to pay the money back anyway, but Greece is small potatoes compared to other countries that borrowed a double shit-load of money and if they get the finger from them too, then a bunch of the bankers and their pals are gonna take it in the ass hard.
The idea is that friends don't let friends get sodomized.
There's a few more angles to it, but that's about it.
They talk about Euro stability and dominos and whatnot but it's not about Greece.
It's all about the epic butt hurt coming for excessive enthusiasm for profits from selling unlimited booze to alcoholics...
Looks like they got pretty much the whole AA membership in on it too.
They already pulled the "If I'm bunkin with Bubba, then you're coming with me" trick a couple of years back and it worked...
Get your wallets out because they're pretty close to trying it again.
Pay attention... I ain't gonna do your homework again.
Hehe, Gramps...
That's the same narrative from 2008 and Lehman. "It's all priced in."
Which translates to:
"Fuck me, I don't care...find a sucker...anyone, quick!"
No one is going to sign a bill and go back to the gold standard. That's impossible. The market will dump the USD as it's reserve currency and find something stable (as it's already doing).
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And the American people will simply do the same after the sham can't be continued anymore but there's going to be a lot of hurt in the meantime.
The market always corrects and moves to whatever will hold value.
Portable, fungible gold always wins.
Always has, always will.
Maybe they will come up with something better someday, but it sure ain't paper.
Read how early colonists learned how to inflate wampum and collapse Indian trading.
It's a real hoot if you like true crime stories.
That's the same narrative from 2008 and Lehman. "It's all priced in."
Which translates to:
"Fuck me, I don't care...find a sucker...anyone, quick!"
No one is going to sign a bill and go back to the gold standard. That's impossible. The market will dump the USD as it's reserve currency and find something stable (as it's already doing).
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And the American people will simply do the same after the sham can't be continued anymore but there's going to be a lot of hurt in the meantime.
The market always corrects and moves to whatever will hold value.
Portable, fungible gold always wins.
Always has, always will.
Maybe they will come up with something better someday, but it sure ain't paper.
Read how early colonists learned how to inflate wampum and collapse Indian trading.
It's a real hoot if you like true crime stories.
Yeah, I guess I got to the word "voluntary" and never recalled hearing voluntary in Ron Paul's message. He's mentioned the possibility of fractional but I'm not really sure how that's supposed to work either. Not sure Ron is, else he'd have more than passing comment.
Voluntary doesn't directly answer how Ron Paul plans to end the fed. It doesn't suggest a net fluctuation when we go to the gold standard which is what Ron Paul supporters are screaming for.
How do they react to a gold standard really being a voluntary.... ???. Sounds even more confusing. I hear the word voluntary but I don't know what it means. I know the clinical definition but where the rubber meets the road isn't as clear
IMO, the thing that makes the most sense is Ron wants more freedom for private precious metal coin hawks.
Coin hawks like to think their coins are worth more than the metal in em. They've been restricted, even stopped from making claims their coins are a growth investment.
Sounds like the gold standard would really be the regular system with hawks trying to sell coins and saying they're worth more than mashuga.
If they were, sales history would show these private coins are indeed worth their snuff but that's not the case. They're worth the metal in em and not much more.
IMO, the 'end the fed' and 'gold standard' mantras aren't what they're being sold as.
Does Ron think he can unilaterally end the fed? Do Paul supporters even ask? Do they know he led only 1 in 620 bills on the house floor, a bill that didn't effect national policy?
How's he supposed to bring all the troops home? We're not just talking Congress, we're talking international agreements and treaties.
He wants to do so much - without little on how - nor what he'd anticipate (either good or bad) afterward.
Democracy Is Destroying Your Wealth and Freedom
by Frank Karsten
Although almost every democratic country suffers from bloated government, over-regulation, heavy taxation and enormous public debts, few people see a causal connection between these problems and the democratic system itself. For many, the solution to these problems is more democracy, not less.
Democracy tends to be equated by many people with prosperity, equality, fairness, togetherness and liberty. There is no evidence for any of this. Democracy rests on three main principles: you have the right to vote, you have the right to run for office, and the majority rules. That’s it. Nowhere is it written for instance that democracy guarantees the right to free speech, a right that many people link with democracy. Nor is there any reason why democracy should lead to prosperity.
In fact, the very principles of democracy give rise to processes that lead society to the opposite of freedom and prosperity.
The most important of these processes are the following.
1) Short-termism
As Hans-Hermann Hoppe explained in his 2001 book Democracy, The God That Failed, democracy leads to high time preference, both among rulers and citizens. Since democratically elected politicians are only temporarily in office, and since they are not the owners of the resources at their disposal, they have a strong incentive to spend money on projects that make them popular, with little regard for the future. The problems they create along the way, such as massive public debts, they leave for their successors to solve. A democratic society is like a rental car – or worse: a car that is owned by no one and used by everyone. It is quickly run down.
2) Parasitism and social strife
Democracy is a system in which people vote for politicians whom they hope will favor them with handouts and privileges, for which the bill will be sent to other people. It sets groups up against each other: farmers versus urban dwellers, the elderly versus the young, immigrants versus residents, employers versus employees, etc. This leads to parasitical behavior and social strife. This is the result of the democratic principle that all important decisions are subject to majority rule, i.e. rule by the State, which makes everyone a cog in the collective political system. In a free society, based on individual rights, people with different views and goals do not become each other’s potential enemies. They may cooperate with each other, trade with each other, or leave each other alone – but they have no coercive means to use others for their own ends.
3) Meddling and interfering
Although many people associate democracy with freedom, in reality no liberty is safe from democracy. If the majority (or often some small influential group) wants it, they can intervene into any kind of voluntary action, transaction or relationship – and that’s what they do. They forbid people to drink booze, burn flags, speak out against wars, watch particular movies, ‘discriminate’, and so on. Democratic governments continually intervene in voluntary transactions between sellers and buyers, employers and employees, teachers and students, doctors and patients, renters and landlords, service providers and customers, et cetera. They also meddle in people’s personal choices: their choice to smoke, to use drugs, to engage in a particular profession (without a ‘license’), to ‘discriminate’ (i.e. to choose with whom they want to associate), to make particular products (for which others have been granted a ‘patent’, i.e. a government monopoly), et cetera. There is no limit to how far this meddling can go. The little freedom we still have in western societies we owe not to democracy, but to our freedom loving heritage.
4) Collectivism and docility
In pre-democratic times rulers tended to be distrusted and every new tax was seen as an infringement of liberty. But democratic decisions are seen as fundamentally legitimate because they are supposed to have been made by the people themselves. In monarchical times few could ever hope to gain power, so most were suspicious of the ones in power. But democracy leaves, at least in theory, the door open for everyone to gain power. This makes people believe that they ought to subject themselves to the rule of the majority. They might not agree with specific laws and regulations but they feel they ought to abide by them. But naturally they then will try to get a party in power that adopts laws and doles out money for their own benefit. This is how state spending grew from roughly 10% of GDP prior to the First World War to almost 50% now in most democratic countries. And why we have so many laws on the books now that it’s safe to say there is a law for everything under the sun.
5) Corruption and abuse
Although rule by the majority is bad enough in itself, the reality of a democracy is much more sordid. Since the elected government has virtually unlimited power and controls virtually all of society’s resources, all sorts of interests and lobby groups are at work behind the scenes to influence government to bend laws to their advantage. One obvious example are the banks and financial interests that together with the government have set up a paper money system which they control and manipulate to their own advantage. But there are many powerful interests that use the system at the expense of the rest of the people: labor unions, NGO’s, pharmaceutical companies, farmers, the military-industrial complex. Individual citizens can do very little about this. They usually don’t have the means or the time to find out what is going on. All they can do is vote every once in a while, but they cannot hold their rulers accountable for their actions.
So the cause of our economic and social ills is not that the wrong politicians are in power. It’s the democratic system itself that causes the problems. What we need to do is start changing the system so it becomes less rather than more democratic. The most important way to do this is by taking away the government’s powers and decentralizing decision-making processes.
February 16, 2012
by Frank Karsten
Although almost every democratic country suffers from bloated government, over-regulation, heavy taxation and enormous public debts, few people see a causal connection between these problems and the democratic system itself. For many, the solution to these problems is more democracy, not less.
Democracy tends to be equated by many people with prosperity, equality, fairness, togetherness and liberty. There is no evidence for any of this. Democracy rests on three main principles: you have the right to vote, you have the right to run for office, and the majority rules. That’s it. Nowhere is it written for instance that democracy guarantees the right to free speech, a right that many people link with democracy. Nor is there any reason why democracy should lead to prosperity.
In fact, the very principles of democracy give rise to processes that lead society to the opposite of freedom and prosperity.
The most important of these processes are the following.
1) Short-termism
As Hans-Hermann Hoppe explained in his 2001 book Democracy, The God That Failed, democracy leads to high time preference, both among rulers and citizens. Since democratically elected politicians are only temporarily in office, and since they are not the owners of the resources at their disposal, they have a strong incentive to spend money on projects that make them popular, with little regard for the future. The problems they create along the way, such as massive public debts, they leave for their successors to solve. A democratic society is like a rental car – or worse: a car that is owned by no one and used by everyone. It is quickly run down.
2) Parasitism and social strife
Democracy is a system in which people vote for politicians whom they hope will favor them with handouts and privileges, for which the bill will be sent to other people. It sets groups up against each other: farmers versus urban dwellers, the elderly versus the young, immigrants versus residents, employers versus employees, etc. This leads to parasitical behavior and social strife. This is the result of the democratic principle that all important decisions are subject to majority rule, i.e. rule by the State, which makes everyone a cog in the collective political system. In a free society, based on individual rights, people with different views and goals do not become each other’s potential enemies. They may cooperate with each other, trade with each other, or leave each other alone – but they have no coercive means to use others for their own ends.
3) Meddling and interfering
Although many people associate democracy with freedom, in reality no liberty is safe from democracy. If the majority (or often some small influential group) wants it, they can intervene into any kind of voluntary action, transaction or relationship – and that’s what they do. They forbid people to drink booze, burn flags, speak out against wars, watch particular movies, ‘discriminate’, and so on. Democratic governments continually intervene in voluntary transactions between sellers and buyers, employers and employees, teachers and students, doctors and patients, renters and landlords, service providers and customers, et cetera. They also meddle in people’s personal choices: their choice to smoke, to use drugs, to engage in a particular profession (without a ‘license’), to ‘discriminate’ (i.e. to choose with whom they want to associate), to make particular products (for which others have been granted a ‘patent’, i.e. a government monopoly), et cetera. There is no limit to how far this meddling can go. The little freedom we still have in western societies we owe not to democracy, but to our freedom loving heritage.
4) Collectivism and docility
In pre-democratic times rulers tended to be distrusted and every new tax was seen as an infringement of liberty. But democratic decisions are seen as fundamentally legitimate because they are supposed to have been made by the people themselves. In monarchical times few could ever hope to gain power, so most were suspicious of the ones in power. But democracy leaves, at least in theory, the door open for everyone to gain power. This makes people believe that they ought to subject themselves to the rule of the majority. They might not agree with specific laws and regulations but they feel they ought to abide by them. But naturally they then will try to get a party in power that adopts laws and doles out money for their own benefit. This is how state spending grew from roughly 10% of GDP prior to the First World War to almost 50% now in most democratic countries. And why we have so many laws on the books now that it’s safe to say there is a law for everything under the sun.
5) Corruption and abuse
Although rule by the majority is bad enough in itself, the reality of a democracy is much more sordid. Since the elected government has virtually unlimited power and controls virtually all of society’s resources, all sorts of interests and lobby groups are at work behind the scenes to influence government to bend laws to their advantage. One obvious example are the banks and financial interests that together with the government have set up a paper money system which they control and manipulate to their own advantage. But there are many powerful interests that use the system at the expense of the rest of the people: labor unions, NGO’s, pharmaceutical companies, farmers, the military-industrial complex. Individual citizens can do very little about this. They usually don’t have the means or the time to find out what is going on. All they can do is vote every once in a while, but they cannot hold their rulers accountable for their actions.
So the cause of our economic and social ills is not that the wrong politicians are in power. It’s the democratic system itself that causes the problems. What we need to do is start changing the system so it becomes less rather than more democratic. The most important way to do this is by taking away the government’s powers and decentralizing decision-making processes.
February 16, 2012
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Peace and goodwishes to you all.
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I am going to try to sneak this post in here becuase you are obviously the most intelligent people on this site. This will be deleted as soon as a mod sights it.
About an hour ago I posted a thread titled something like"has anyone hooked up for sex on craigslist". The thread had so many replies in such a short time that it was like being on chat. Then the mod deleted the thread. Given the huge numbor of replies in such a short time this was obviously a topic of interest to a great number of people; however for whatever reason the mod deleted the thread.
To me this smacks of censorship of the kind only seen in mainland China.
I am not prepared to be a part of a site that engages in such controlling and oppressive censorship, therefore from Still Invisible, this is over and out.
Peace and goodwishes to you all.
Still, and always will be, Invisible.
