qwiso problem

[bilbobonger]

Hi everybody-

Just started up a batch of qwiso last night, and a couple of my trays are turning a milky white color. Anyone experienced this before?

I've got trim saved up from several harvests. Only thing I can think of is some of it was sprayed with Eagle20 during veg for PM, (I know it's nasty shit, but the PM was taking over and I was desperate). Could this be the cause you think?

Thanks...

 

[Gray Wolf]

Don't know about the Eagle 20, but water will turn QWISO milky, as might lanolin if you are using a 70% rubbing alcohol.

 

[bilbobonger]

Thanks for the response Gray Wolf-

I used all 91%. Few of my container did have a lot of ice crystals in them. Lot of it's been in the freezer a long time now. Wonder if that's all it is. Will try and remove as much of the ice from the bottles from now on. Wondering if I should just toss the trays that have turned white. Don't want my oil to come out looking like Elmer's glue.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Thanks for the response Gray Wolf-

I used all 91%. Few of my container did have a lot of ice crystals in them. Lot of it's been in the freezer a long time now. Wonder if that's all it is. Will try and remove as much of the ice from the bottles from now on. Wondering if I should just toss the trays that have turned white. Don't want my oil to come out looking like Elmer's glue.

Water shouldn't be freezing out of a 91% alcohol solution. It may not be water.

For what its worth, apparently some 91% still contains lanolin for rubbing alcohol. If you can look up the MSDS for that alcohol manufacturer, it will tell you if it has lanolin in it.

I'm disinclined to sample anything that I can't identify, but it should make a good topical.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

In the long run... iso is not a good choice for anything but topicals.

I know qwiso is pimped all over the net but in the end, it all contains iso which is not good for consumption. Sam the Skunkman will attest that not one single iso-extraction, even those washed/vacuum purged, ever passed the test of not having iso left in it. All samples have tested positive for iso.

Just don't do it.

Please use food-grade 95% ethanol as your extraction solvent, especially if you're going to ingest mass quantities or pass it on to other folks. Thank You.

Stay Safe!

 

[bilbobonger]

Gray Wolf-

The ice crystal I mentioned were in my trim containers, not my iso. Sorry, should have been more clear about that. Thanks for the info on lanolin. I'll check it it out.

Hydro-Soil-

Thanks for the info. Will start looking into alternative methods. What's the deal with BHO? Isn't there still butane residue left over? Wouldn't this be far worse than iso? I could see using ethanol for small batches, but anything substantial I think would break the bank. Think it's about four times the cost of iso.

 

[Sour Deez]

I use to make iso, and i def noticed an odd taste in my oils, the only time it didnt taste like that was when i purged the shit out of it, so it had no flavor at all. Another thing that seemed odd to me was when i was vaping qwiso i was breaking out alot.

Switched to BHO and will never go back. The taste, high, yield all increased, and no more breakouts, could be unrelated, but who knows.

Butane boils out at 30 some degrees where iso is about 180. All you have to do is get the oil in a liquidy state with some heat and the butane can easily escape the oil.

 

[bilbobonger]

Thanks for the post Sour Deez. I'm with ya on the BHO. Definitely has a better flavor. Just been a little turned off by all the stories I keep hearing of people blowing themselves up, though I'm sure this can be avoided by practicing a little common sense. Might give this a try next time around.

You noticed an increase in yield with BHO compared to iso? I thought it was the other way around. Were you doing two washes when with your iso?

So I haven't confirmed this yet (got a little side by side going), but I'm thinking the Walmart iso has something in it (probably lanolin) like Gray Wolf said. I've always used the Walgreens brand before and never had any white build up like this. Will know by tomorrow I figure.

So has anyone actually confirmed that BHO is a cleaner alternative to iso? I know iso isn't made for consumption, but neither is butane. Is it that butane evaporates completely and iso doesn't?

 

[Sour Deez]

I was just as cautious as you, thats why i stuck with iso for so long. Just make sure you do it outside, and dont bring inside until the liquid is gone. Butane is heavier then air and will settle in areas, keep any sparks away. Just use common sense, seems its not as common as we think.

The thing about the yields is, overall i feel im getting more quaility oil that i can vape off a nail. My first wash qwiso i could vape, but only getting 10% back at most on first wash for some reason. Then the second wash would leave so much residue on the nail it was nasty.

 

[Capt.Ahab]

bilbobonger, I made a batch of ISO a while back and the same thing happened. I think it is just the water left in your mix that hasnt evaporated yet. I know that the weed I used didnt have any chemicals in it to cause the milky appearance of the extraction liquid after it had sat for a while because it was weed I had grown myself. I just continued to let it dry and all was good in the end.

 

[bilbobonger]

Thanks for the feedback SD.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

IMO, the white color is water extracted from wet trim. I don't get as much cloudy color with the dried stuff.

It's also less than fully dissolved oil glands coloring the water. Water and alcohol will mix but for some reason they seem to separate after the wash. Maybe it's the introduction of oil that causes the translucent alcohol to stand apart from the opaque water.

 

[bilbobonger]

Thanks Capt.Ahab. Maybe your right about the water and all. Just strange that I've never seen this before in previous batches. Will let it all vape off and see what happens.

 

[bilbobonger]

DiscoBiscuit-

Yeah, definitely had a bit more frozen water in some of my trim jars than before.

Thanks for the post.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

IMO, it doesn't hurt the process one iota. A little longer to dry is no biggie.

 

[bilbobonger]

IMO, it doesn't hurt the process one iota. A little longer to dry is no biggie.

Just looks a little funky is all. Always shot for amber shatter before. This looks like it's gonna come out more like Elmer's glue.

 

[Waterbelly]

Please try this...
Throw your trays into the freezer, then go to safeway or get online and get some 99% or ethanol. Re- dissolve, freeze for no less than 20 hours, filter it through multiple coffee filters, so it goes faster. Take the filters, do a quick wash, then filter that through another filter, then evaporate the solution off at about 130-145F, tilting the pyrex when its almost done to spread the oil out as much as possible, because the moisture will start to show, and will start to streak white. Then only way i have found to get rid of the whiteish streaks when evaporating is to tilt, creating more surface area. Good luck!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Hydro-Soil-
I could see using ethanol for small batches, but anything substantial I think would break the bank. Think it's about four times the cost of iso.

Gray Wolf has a nice thread on a fairly cheap recovery still. Again, it's not perfect but it will save you substantial amounts of solvent.... probably be about as cheap as iso at that point.

Iso is going to cause you health issues in the long run. No getting around it. So sad that it's been so widely pimped as "THE" way to make hash oil and such. *sigh*

Stay Safe!

 

[bilbobonger]

Please try this...
Throw your trays into the freezer, then go to safeway or get online and get some 99% or ethanol. Re- dissolve, freeze for no less than 20 hours, filter it through multiple coffee filters, so it goes faster. Take the filters, do a quick wash, then filter that through another filter, then evaporate the solution off at about 130-145F, tilting the pyrex when its almost done to spread the oil out as much as possible, because the moisture will start to show, and will start to streak white. Then only way i have found to get rid of the whiteish streaks when evaporating is to tilt, creating more surface area. Good luck!

Just watched a vid off one of these threads where they were using a similar method. Never seen 99% iso before. Not sure that it's sold around my neck of the woods. Gotta go across state lines just to get Everclear. Think I've got a few too many trays to do the whole 20 hours of freezing and whatnot. Thanks for the feedback though.

 

[Waterbelly]

Just watched a vid off one of these threads where they were using a similar method. Never seen 99% iso before. Not sure that it's sold around my neck of the woods. Gotta go across state lines just to get Everclear. Think I've got a few too many trays to do the whole 20 hours of freezing and whatnot. Thanks for the feedback though.

Neither had i. Didnt even know it existed. Until i went to safeway.

And how does the amount of trays affect the 20 hours winterization? Granted, you probably dont need the full 20 hours, i just said that to be safe. You want to make sure the solution reaches proper temp, maybe GW or Jump could chime in on what exact temp that is.