bear security

[Bluenote]

IDK how big of out door your planning, but I will say this about my experience w/wild bear. If it's not bein fed by other humans, a wild bear will go out of its way to avoid man.

Really
'` Is that why they'll raid your garbage cans , your meat racks , your fish drying racks etc? Because they're afraid of us? So id they weren't afraid of us they wouldn't ruck through your cache?

Oh and to shortcut what you'll say next " they've been fed bo other humans" you can provide evidence connecting that myth with bear attacks in the lower 48 and *especially* Alaska , not a lot of folks " feeding bears" on the Island round about Larsens Bay or across onto the mainland around Lake Iliamna.


Here's the problem with your statement if anyone takes it seriously *** bears , even lower 48 Black Bears cannot be covered with a blanket statement such as the above*** , they're unpredictable , lower 48 Grizzlies are more unpredictable yet and often belligerent , far north Grizzlies ( and Kodiak/Brownies are just a subspecies) are even yet more so than that and supremely confident on top of that.

Man ain't the apex predator in that environment , if anyone thinks they are then try walking from Aniak to Dillingham with an open package of bacon in your pocket.

 

[vintner]

Really
'` Is that why they'll raid your garbage cans , your meat racks , your fish drying racks etc? Because they're afraid of us? So id they weren't afraid of us they wouldn't ruck through your cache?

Oh and to shortcut what you'll say next " they've been fed bo other humans" you can provide evidence connecting that myth with bear attacks in the lower 48 and *especially* Alaska , not a lot of folks " feeding bears" on the Island round about Larsens Bay or across onto the mainland around Lake Iliamna.


Here's the problem with your statement if anyone takes it seriously *** bears , even lower 48 Black Bears cannot be covered with a blanket statement such as the above*** , they're unpredictable , lower 48 Grizzlies are more unpredictable yet and often belligerent , far north Grizzlies ( and Kodiak/Brownies are just a subspecies) are even yet more so than that and supremely confident on top of that.

Man ain't the apex predator in that environment , if anyone thinks they are then try walking from Aniak to Dillingham with an open package of bacon in your pocket.

Thank you for your opinion Me thinks you have a bit of the lower 48 griz in you LOL As I stated, I was just plugging in my I grew up in norther WI & spent a year hiking around AK. I've had pleanty of encounters, but never had any problem w/bear. Of course we went out of our way to to make our presence known & to keep trash & other eatables where they couldn't get to it. I also know that there's no stoping a hungry bear, & I've seen what they can do against the best deterants. My method isn't 100%, but I know for a fact it works pretty well

 

[Bluenote]

Thank you for your opinion Me thinks you have a bit of the lower 48 griz in you LOL As I stated, I was just plugging in my I grew up in norther WI & spent a year hiking around AK. I've had pleanty of encounters, but never had any problem w/bear. Of course we went out of our way to to make our presence known & to keep trash & other eatables where they couldn't get to it. I also know that there's no stoping a hungry bear, & I've seen what they can do against the best deterants. My method isn't 100%, but I know for a fact it works pretty well

You know something? I really don't care whether or not you find me belligerent or not , if a single individual exercises the required caution then neither *your* emotions nor mine matter in the slightest within the context of the larger equation.


And might as well stop now with the " your opinion" crap , it's NOT my opinion it's a goldplated freaki ng FACT. Furthermore I don't *ever* open my yap about something that I don't know one hell of a lot about , and guess what , it's not based on " walking around Alaska for a year"............which is just yet more of the Chris Mccandless style bullshit.

Let's look at your statement...." I walked around Alaska for a year"...............what does that mean exactly? Hell you could spend a year walking the GlenAllen the up The Richardson and come back down the Parks Highway and damn near never leave the pavement.

Here's some food for thought for you , you're attempting to impress someone with that stuff that's setting on 600 Conibears of various sizes , if you don't know what that is then google it and put two and two together , ask yourself a couple of questions....how is it that I know how long it takes to *walk* between two places that most folks in the lower 48 will never even have heard of?

Answer an honest question , are you one of those who actually think that Bear Grylls or Les Stroud *actually* know what the f*** they're doing beyond shivering and waiting for a rescue chopper?

Get something straight here , I could care less about emotions on this subject , yours OR mine , fact is that a lot of complete and total *bullshit* floats around on this subject , and romantic fantasies about the damn wilderness and your role in it can get you ***DEAD***.

A couple of airheaded fools that could give some input on that issue................Timothy Treadwell and Chris Mccandless.

Listen REAL close to what they're saying because it's a REAL powerful message.

 

[vintner]

Well, for someone who could care less about emotions, you're posts are awfully damn emotional LOL I've never heard of most of the people and places you mentioned, (maybe you spend more time in front of the tube than I do) & given your condisending tone, I could really care less about googling them.
I never said bear are "afraid" of man, but it's been my experience that once they catch our sent, most do a 180*.
If you think someone would "walk" around Alaska for a year and never leave a paved road? you certaily are as small & petty as you present yourself.
I'm certainly not trying to impress anyone by passing on my own experiences & opinions. I'm also not one to "yap" about subjects in which I have no personal experience or first hand knowledge. I'd like to know how anything I wrote implies that anyone should be anything less than cautious around bears.
For all your bashing and grand standing, you never once addressed the original post w/your own Ya know, maybe if you could learn how to politely show others how & where they're possibly stearing the crowd wrong, you wouldn't have these anger managment issues.

 

[purple_man]

id vote for the cold 45 too... and monitoring the area 24/7 ...

blessss

 

[ghettochild]

Is killing a bear worth all a couple pounds maybe? i would just bring my dog with me everytime i visit the patch his stink should keep most things at bay. Hopefully the gun is a last ditch effort incase of a real situation.

 

[niceeven]

Oh brother. I've spent nearly twenty years working in the bush here up in Canada and had multiples, multiples encounters with bears and trust me, guns are not needed. Unless there are grizzlies in your grow area and I would seriously doubt it. Please don't mention polar bears. Besides, if you grow guerilla and you bring guns into the fray and you get caught, good luck. You will just have made things significantly worse.

 

[Bluenote]

Well, for someone who could care less about emotions, you're posts are awfully damn emotional LOL I've never heard of most of the people and places you mentioned, (maybe you spend more time in front of the tube than I do) & given your condisending tone, I could really care less about googling them.
I never said bear are "afraid" of man, but it's been my experience that once they catch our sent, most do a 180*.
If you think someone would "walk" around Alaska for a year and never leave a paved road? you certaily are as small & petty as you present yourself.
I'm certainly not trying to impress anyone by passing on my own experiences & opinions. I'm also not one to "yap" about subjects in which I have no personal experience or first hand knowledge. I'd like to know how anything I wrote implies that anyone should be anything less than cautious around bears.
For all your bashing and grand standing, you never once addressed the original post w/your own Ya know, maybe if you could learn how to politely show others how & where they're possibly stearing the crowd wrong, you wouldn't have these anger managment issues.

Bala bhalalallalalalalablalbla......and the usual yuppoid style crap typical when some bull**** artist such as yourself gets caught in their " instant expert" sctiick.

Let's see there's the usual " you don't agree with me so you're angry" ...and the patented " you told me I was wrong so you're small and petty"..... blah bla blah...

Oh and " grandstanding" , is that like YOU pompously arriving and telling folks " How It Actually Is"........... of you " walked aroudn Alaska for a YEAR"..............oh my there's some " expertise"....care to ascertain how many folks run that same gambit.

See some of us didn't " walk around for a year" some of us *actually lived there and lived bush* , and made our living do so
and among the other senses developed by doing so is a well developed bullshit detector as regards those who make claims of having " experience" but who are actually cheechakos or pretenders.

And I just bet you " could care less about googling them" it might slap you in the face just how little you really know about the subject you're attempting to render information on.

And I don't CARE how YOU feel about it , socalled :information" such as yours is potentially dangerous to others , the fact that you're butt hurt at being told so isn't remotely germane to the whole issue.

 

[Bluenote]

Oh brother. I've spent nearly twenty years working in the bush here up in Canada and had multiples, multiples encounters with bears and trust me, guns are not needed. Unless there are grizzlies in your grow area and I would seriously doubt it. Please don't mention polar bears. Besides, if you grow guerilla and you bring guns into the fray and you get caught, good luck. You will just have made things significantly worse.

Uh huh , and I've run trapline in places like Iliamna , west of Paxosn and north of Lake Louise etc. and on one occasion I'm still *here* because I was armed , furthermore there's enough folks shooting bears in DLP situations every years to put the lie to your words.

Now since you don't think that a firearm is necessary you'll of course take me right up on this one , go walk from Port Alexander up and across Baranof to Sitka.................unarmed.


Furthermore why would you even MENTION Polar Bears , go ahead TELL me you've seen a Polar Bear while " living bush" , go ahead I dare ya to , no too many " bushes" and especially NO weed plants in Polar Bear country , not outdoors anyway , so what do they have to do with this whole issue?

A good portion of folks here have completely missed the point in favor of the " Oh they'll just run off" crap..............and YEAH most lower 48 Black bears will just run off...until you get one that doesn't and when that happens you've got a serious damned problem and YEAH you're going to most likely need a weapon.

Keep something in mind , even after the shooting starts , you may well kill that bear , but he only has to live five more seconds to completely ruin your life and maybe be getting your will read.

It ain't a dog , it ain't cute-n-cuddly it's a wild animal that well behooves cautionand some *respect* because you're in HIS house.

 

[mendo420]

Dont feed the Bears.......

Dont feed the Bears.......

Bears like these?
They will eat anything. Including people I herd!

My experience has been.
They will get into anything left out in the garden. Bags of Chicken, bone, blood even green sand. Trash and Empty cans of soda. Keep your area clean and you will not have many problems.
Never had one dig up a plant.

Every time I have seen a bear its been the south end as it was running away from me as fast as it could.

I couldn't even get a shot off if I tried.

I'm offering Smokey a Blunt next time may be he will stay.

 

[Brother Bear]

Every time I have seen a bear its been the south end as it was running away from me as fast as it could.

I couldn't even get a shot off if I tried.

Me 3

 

[vintner]

Bala bhalalallalalalalablalbla......and the usual yuppoid style crap typical when some bull**** artist such as yourself gets caught in their " instant expert" sctiick.

Let's see there's the usual " you don't agree with me so you're angry" ...and the patented " you told me I was wrong so you're small and petty"..... blah bla blah...

Oh and " grandstanding" , is that like YOU pompously arriving and telling folks " How It Actually Is"........... of you " walked aroudn Alaska for a YEAR"..............oh my there's some " expertise"....care to ascertain how many folks run that same gambit.

See some of us didn't " walk around for a year" some of us *actually lived there and lived bush* , and made our living do so
and among the other senses developed by doing so is a well developed bullshit detector as regards those who make claims of having " experience" but who are actually cheechakos or pretenders.

And I just bet you " could care less about googling them" it might slap you in the face just how little you really know about the subject you're attempting to render information on.

And I don't CARE how YOU feel about it , socalled :information" such as yours is potentially dangerous to others , the fact that you're butt hurt at being told so isn't remotely germane to the whole issue.

Ya know, I'm sorry for you that your such a angry, negative person who feels the need to bash anyones opinion that differs your own. Since you never actually addressed anything worth while that I said in my last couple of posts, (including the fact that I've had years of experience living in bear country & multiple bear encounters) I'm really sorry I waisted my time interacting w/you, & I'll do my utmost to avoid you from here on out.
Have a nice life you looser. Stay safe around all those dangerous grizzlies, & don't forget, it might mellow you out some

 

[niceeven]

What I was saying was: If you are seeing a polar bear how the hell are you supposed to outdoor grow there? Think about it for an instant.

As for the need to carry a gun because of the bear danger bit, sorry I don't buy it, that' all. It's a matter of opinion and I respect there will be others, that's life. I have had multiple encounters and I mean multiple. Sometimes more than three a day. As a matter of fact, not only have I worked in the bush for nearly twenty years, much of it strictly helicopter access. But, during that time I have spent an equal amount of time hiking and climbing in the Canadian rockies in my spare time. No guns allowed. Many times solo, off trail. I have had Grizzlies walk right up to my tent at night and yes I will agree I have had encounters that left me scared shitless. But the truth is black bear or Grizzly I can honestly tell you that not once I would have had to shoot one to save myself. Not once. because, obviously I would not be writing this, right?

I would not bother myself with a gun for black bears and that's that. Not then, not now and not ever.

It's just my opinion and no matter what lake or what place you are talking about that won't change that bro. But you can carry all the guns you want it's up to you.

 

[Bluenote]

Ya know, I'm sorry for you that your such a angry, negative person who feels the need to bash anyones opinion that differs your own. Since you never actually addressed anything worth while that I said in my last couple of posts, (including the fact that I've had years of experience living in bear country & multiple bear encounters) I'm really sorry I waisted my time interacting w/you, & I'll do my utmost to avoid you from here on out.
Have a nice life you looser. Stay safe around all those dangerous

Blah blah blah blah , if you'd had " multiple bear emcounters" you'd be detailing them in an effort to defend your stance , instead you've resorted to personal ad hominem , quite simply because some told tou that you delivered bad advice that was potentially dangerous.

I get a great laugh when folks attempt to was intellectual and at the end can't spell a word as simple as loser. And since YOUR " interaction" seems to rather consist of pontification and condesencion then please do stay away from me , I'm pretty tactless to bullshit artists.

 

[Bluenote]

What I was saying was: If you are seeing a polar bear how the hell are you supposed to outdoor grow there? Think about it for an instant.

As for the need to carry a gun because of the bear danger bit, sorry I don't buy it, that' all. It's a matter of opinion and I respect there will be others, that's life. I have had multiple encounters and I mean multiple. Sometimes more than three a day. As a matter of fact, not only have I worked in the bush for nearly twenty years, much of it strictly helicopter access. But, during that time I have spent an equal amount of time hiking and climbing in the Canadian rockies in my spare time. No guns allowed. Many times solo, off trail. I have had Grizzlies walk right up to my tent at night and yes I will agree I have had encounters that left me scared shitless. But the truth is black bear or Grizzly I can honestly tell you that not once I would have had to shoot one to save myself. Not once. because, obviously I would not be writing this, right?

I would not bother myself with a gun for black bears and that's that. Not then, not now and not ever.

It's just my opinion and no matter what lake or what place you are talking about that won't change that bro. But you can carry all the guns you want it's up to you.

And you completely missed my point , though I'll give you that at least you're not so out there as to attempt to tell me that you were growing in Polar Bear country.

And of course you won't look those places up either , you're too busy telling me about the Canadian Rockies to actually look up those places...........might want to compare the bear population numbers in the locales you cite as regards to ones I just cited.

Yup you can get away without a firearm in black bear country , but as regards the Canadian Rockies , don't you think that it's a bit disingenous to pussyfoot around the factor of Canada's gun laws? Know how many folks in Northern B.C. flaunt those laws on a daily basis?

You got away without needing a firearm with a bear , now if you HAD needed one exactly what else would have sufficed.

Hey the day the Brownie sow came around a copse of aspen after my ass while I was doing rebait and reset ( she wanted the bait bag) I " didn't need" a gun then either right?

Or hey the Kodiak Dinner Theater all those folks with .416s , .375s etc in their trucks or leaned against 'em , those folks don't really need those do they?

And about every damn bush cabin in Alaska , every trapper etc. they don't need those firearms either do they.

Here the kids that got jumped this year and had nothing but pepper , damn but a guide with a decent rifle couldn't have helped them at all ...uh uh.

See a couple folks here have gotten all but hurt because their ego got assaulted..too bad.....quit trying to throw a blanket statement over a situation that it can't cover when it's a case where bad advice can possibly *get someone killed*.

In closing and pertinent to your " multiple" encounters a "day"..........from Lake Illiamna down through the Katmai and then across to Kodiak has more bears than *any* other place on the face of the earth so quit trying to impress me and turn this into a dickwaving contest.

Bears warrant caution at all times PERIOD . All bears , and if you get on the wrong side of *any* bear and the bear is serious then you'll be needing a firearm , and you'll need to be proficient with it and cool under stress.

And if you think i'm being hard on *you* , just wait and see if the " yo dude I be capping dat bears ass with my Glock yo" crowd shows up , difference being that I'd just stand still and watch them get munched , you or vintner I wouldn't stand by.

And the other thing that folks that have no real experience are sometimes surprised that they've got to exercise caution around is the Moose , a couple of years back a tourist honked at a bull crossing the hwy up by Healey and the moose took exception to it and destroyed the car , there was some video of it running around for a while , it was actually pretty funny , they honk , he looks at them and they honk again and he just casually ambles over and trashes the car and saunters away.



And all my whole point in this ENTIRE thing is that y'all may well be taking bears in general a bit too lightly , that perhaps the attitude is a bit too blase' , that maybe a bit of self-preservatory caution might be warranted. Didn't even get to keeping a clean camp etc, and how not to attract the bear in the first place.

From a growing standpoint that's about all you can do , if a bear really wants your stuff he'll get it , if you're around and he's close don't be dumb enough to interfere with him if you're unarmed , I don't care what kinda names you called me I wouldn't want to see someone get hurt.

The point is just have some common sense , if I'm fishing and a bear want the spot I move , even if I AM armed...........don't walk through a berry patch when they're ripe etc.etc.

I'm too tactless , y'all do as you wish just for crying out loud use some caution and common sense , just as you would around a rattlesnake.

 

[dbuzz]

Bears are cool man. I heard they love small talk at the picnic table.

 

[supermanlives]

bear meat makes a great stew. just sayin. bear spray works most times unless the bear is protecting cubs,really pissed off and used of being around humans. bear spray is really weak you can buy stronger pepper sprays that work better. look for big crowd controll cans of spray. they also make paintball gun loads for your fun

 

[HOVAH2.0]

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dont make this shit more difficult than it already is! happy grows in 2012 for all