Please Help, I need some serious advice. (pH, Deficiency,?? ) Cant figure it out.

[thcrefugee]

thanks very much for all the help.

I think i can almost assure you it is not overwatering.

how could i be overwatering when the biggest plant is "overwatered" , Yes, i watered it more frequently, but that is because it was constantly getting dry.
I know how to water.
I think it looks overwatered because of my flush, which was trying to cause a problem already happening.

Also, the tips of the leaves are twisted a little, and the leaf edges are curled under.
i have never seen this with overwatering.

Either way,
ill make damn sure to let them be dry for a while.

But next time i water, what should i use?

(i used to use rain water back home, 5ppm and 5.5. it was nice. and plentiful, but now i live in an alkaline desert.)
I swear the problem started after i fed them with straight tap-water tea. at pH 8

 

[StRa]

Fortunally you are still in veg.........give them good soil mate, usually I try to find a solution and not thinking about what the problem could be!!!!!

 

[Hammerhead]

Thats correct a flush will show heavy signs of over water. If you flushed her already dont do it again... tap water is fine 200< its the PH that needs to be adjusted.. In soil the ph should be 6.3-6.8.. with a PH of 8 the plants wont take up any food...

 

[thcrefugee]

Yes, i think that is what started my problems originally.

I will let everything dry very well, to be sure im not overwatering... but then i will start to feed with a 500ppm solution, every third watering, and will start next time i water.

I feel like the most logical scenario is that i shocked the shit out of them with a high pH watering, and then tried to give them more tea to fix it, possibly mineralizing lots of nutrients.. plus a pH lockout..
then i flushed them all, and have been watering with distilled water for the past two weeks.

i think i should feed them with a proper pH solution that has some actual food in it.

 

[Hammerhead]

you can do that... I feed every time I water.

 

[TribalSeeds]

Too much water without food

 

[joe fresh]

Yes, i think that is what started my problems originally.

I will let everything dry very well, to be sure im not overwatering... but then i will start to feed with a 500ppm solution, every third watering, and will start next time i water.

I feel like the most logical scenario is that i shocked the shit out of them with a high pH watering, and then tried to give them more tea to fix it, possibly mineralizing lots of nutrients.. plus a pH lockout..
then i flushed them all, and have been watering with distilled water for the past two weeks.

i think i should feed them with a proper pH solution that has some actual food in it.

imo...let them dry out really good, like i said let them wilt from drying out, this will garantee the roots are dry and willstop to rott....then i would give them a 750ppm(1.5EC) with no runoff, just enough to feed the roots...then water, then 1.5EC, and back and forth till she recovers...but let her dry out until she wilts before you decide to water again....

im sure you were not letting them completely dry out between waterings, then the flush, then 2 weeks of no food....if you want them back quickly a dryer soil will promote root growth and health and a quick high dose of nutes will get them back on track, without adequate phosphorous roots will rot away...and possibly become diseased....


as for feeding i like to feed once every 7-10 days with an ec of 1.8 and ph 6.2....

just so you know the lucas formula with maxibloom @ 7grams per gallon comes out to 1350ppm(2.7EC) which is very high imo but ppl use it anyways and get good results....my max EC i can go is 1.8-2.0, but each garden is different and requires diff amount of food...

i also should say i dont water more than once every 4-5 days, even if they feel dry they usually got some water left in them so i wait till i see 3-4 plants start to wilf in need of water before i water again...

 

[Hammerhead]

what size are your plants? mine are in 8g pots and need to water every 2 days right now. in there last 2 weeks I need to water everyday. What I do and what you do are 360d difference. I have not found any plants the like more then 1200ppm and they will get tip burn. All of my plants get no more then 1000ppm.

 

[thcrefugee]

i usually wait for the first signs of wilt before i water. the vegetative material usually feels heavier than the pot and soil when i water.

i was actually surprised the other day, i plant dropped into a wilt on me, and i thought the soil still had some weight and moisture to it. i thought it could at least go a few more hours, until that night.
i watered and it quickly recovered turgor.

i will now feed a full strength solution next watering..

 

[joe fresh]

pythium will also cause wilt...and pythium is from over watering....or atleast is contributed to it...

the wilting from overwatering is caused by lack of oxygen to the roots, so if the plant is root bound, has some
O2 eating bacteria, compacted soil, waterlogged soil, watering too frequently are all ways to deprive the roots of oxygen, but the pythium thread in my sig might give you a good clue if you have it or not..have you checked the roots at all? are they perfectly white or a little brown? slimey? do they smell?

2 weeks ago i transplanted one of my mothers, i used older soil from a male plant i had uprooted 2 weeks prior, so there was some dead roots in the soil, i didnt think anything of it, but within 2 days my plant was completely wilted and the soil was still moist but not too moist...clear pythium, so i cut her before it infected any of my other plants...



check out the links in my sig, they are all documents from university agricultural/horticultural departments...very helpful with alot of good info...garanteed to make you a better grower almost overnight,lol... i know i liked it which is why i made threads with it so i could spread the knowledge...



alot of ppl seem to think weed is some magical plant that needs to be treated specially, but its just another plant and when grown needs to be treated like any other food crop...

 

[wilbur]

alot of ppl seem to think weed is some magical plant that needs to be treated specially, but its just another plant and when grown needs to be treated like any other food crop...

YES!

 

[Peacemonger]

You could try this , Just flush with plain ph'd water 5.9 to 6.2 this is important I'm a "hydro grower" but my mothers have been taken care of in soil in pots for thirty years. This ph range is important. This is my opinion take it or leave it as you will. Then after flushed when still soaked from flush water again with ph'd water high in potash and just wait don't over water just lift pot if it fells light you need water. You could use Liquid karma 01 01 05.I can almost guarantee results..All the very best...! And I never use the recomended dosage on any nutes it's usually to much. Sorry for not adding this bit of information. I usually use half or less what the label says. (they just want you to buy more) and it has always been the gospel truth never use what the label says. Little tip from your "Uncle larr'..Especially in hydro if you used what the label says to use you would burn up your grow quick..hehe comes from years of experience.

 

[thcrefugee]

thanks all.

i just watered with a simple grow big solution at 450 ppm and ~6 pH
the plant was completely wilted before watering, and the soil felt no heavier than the plant above. runoff around 600ppm This was the biggest, most curled, "overwatered" plant. the other two were still moist.
We'll see how this turns out.

Ive honestly never seen this kind of problem. I usually go all organic, and have grown countless tomatoes and peppers. not to mention all kinds of other little things. never with a thought of pH or TDS.

I have always used and love liquid karma. i love it foliar too.