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Shalom Giborim!!

i would also go vertical in your case,either that or scrog from start,both can yield you what you need in one grow
about the led's their are a few things to take in hand when you think of it,one - you have to always make sure the led itself is cool because led's are very much effected from heat,they are in general diode's that emit light so the hotter it is the more likely you are to burn them,when you have a malfunction with a led light it will close your grow completely because of it's complexity and with an hps you can have all the parts ready in backup storage for immidiate exchange,a few tutorials and you'll be fine with replacing anything in the hps,compared to the led which has alot more components that can go wrong,if you lose the light in between you can pretty much call the whole grow a bust unless you are lucky enough to have a backup room or that you can throw them outdoors and the timing outdoors is right(in that case you would have just probably grown from the beginning outdoors) so in general led's look like the future and look very impressive.. but for the common folks i thinks it's still too expensive and too much of a hassle to begin with,i can't get here good coco so you want me to risk good service for a led light? :) go safe with a vertical hps that way you lose the cost of the cool tube and it's vent which add about 1000 shekels at least ,and it's alot easier to set up an automatic system and sewer system when you are growing vertical
 

fonzee

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Maybe its just me but doing a proper vertical grow as a first indoor try seems to me like jumping over the pupik.
 
why? what's so hard about it that makes you think that is advanced? if you grow in the reguler way you need to know how far to put the lights no? same here
in a reguler lighting you need to move the light or create a scrog to minimize movement or prune with vertical you don't have to do anything but place the plants in the right distance and just feed,making a sewer system with a simple tube or recycled 1.5 litre bottles you can make a gutter or anything else which is very easy in the vertical way because the plants are all on the sides of the closet in potential and so will the gutter be and you have the middle totaly free for a large fan....the only problem i can see is with smell and you can build your own little carbon filter or for beginners a good unizator,also smell is only a problem if it is too much to handle and it leaves the apartment.. in general if a person has grown outdoors it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to learn indoors vertical... if you would have said hydro i'd agree... but vertical... that's how we all hang our lights every day since we've been born what's the problem?
 

fonzee

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Simply because you have much less access to the plants once set and you need to know how your plants will stretch when induced to flowering conditions.
 
i don't think it matters so much'if youre plant stretches over the range of effeciency you can lollypop what isn't working,the popcorn flowers,these are simple solutions really.. none of which will cause any catastrophic problem... and he will need to know how much they stretch with a reguler grow as well... it doesn't add any element and again about access,you can do as i did.make all the walls acceesable.. that's only if you really think you need the access... i need mine for the scrog so i made to doors on the sides as well as in the middle...all was very cheap and simple,not accurate because i was lazy but it could be just if i was more accurate and took the time
 

bombadil.360

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jungo, angel, fonzee, thank you, very interesting info you guys give; food for thought indeed.

in terms of growing experience, I have ten years, maybe a 'lil bit more. but always did it outdoors, tropical latitude, between 1600mts above sea level up to almost 3000mts! nothern tropical andes.

I know the labour of an outdoor gorila style grow; and even though I'm not much of a tech-guy, I think I can manage the indoor grow; my concerns are security first and foremost, and then the required budget to be able to assemble a grow-room in a 2mtsx2mts space. it is sort of an attic, that I have to divide in half, and one of the halves as the grow-space.

I will read up on vertical growing, even though scrog sounds good too.

what doi you guys think of getting a 600w hps for flowering, and a 250 hps plus a couple cfls for vegging? (cfls to add more 'blues')?

I went to a home center yesterday, checked out what they had there; not sure if it is enough to build the room, they definetly do not have the lights though.

thank you all again, peace and good health!

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fonzee

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There are very strict rules of keeping safe:
1. Tell no-one that you grow. Preferably don't tell anyone you even smoke.
2. Always keep from light, smells and NOISE from escaping the grow room. Heat isn't that much of an issue like it is in the US for say.
3. Don't sell if you grow in your residence. Common sense - you don't want people the chance to figure out what you do.
4. Keep your total electricity bill in the normal range. For a wreck you don't want to go over 2000 NIS and for a villa you don't want to go above 3500-4000 NIS. Check how much your neighbors pay and add 10-20 percent to your calculations.
5. Keep your wiring secured - its ain't that hard to burn down a grow room.

For the seedling stage I use CFLs or a 250 HID, for veg and flowering I use the 600 HID.
Get the dual spectrum ones - they have all you need.

Per costs, you can start growing with as little as 2500 NIS (for a 600W compatible gear).
Usually if you pay more you'll get more. For instance a dehumidifier costs over 2000 NIS but helps a lot with keeping mold away and helping the plants frost up.
 

bombadil.360

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fonzee, ma ata omer aj sheli? 2000 shekels hashmal? le ma? hodashaim, najon?

I'm in a small apt, not a villa :D I heard today the hashmal will increase 9% in february too; there was a black-out for an hour around here too (afsaka hashmal).

if I don't have to pay more than 600 shekels every two months it is possible with my buget, if not, it will be pretty hard.

on sunday I'll go to the doctor's office too, to start the process for the recommendation.

amon toda od pam.

shalom
 

fonzee

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2000 NIS for 2 months is the max I want to reach.

for a 600W basic rig you'll pay around 430 NIS per 2 months in electricity.

Cheers.
 
there are other considerations except the total coverage area of your light, the two most important are:

the angle of the light that lands upon the leaves (90 = optimal, 140 = less than optimal)

the fact that the plant by evolution is designed to take light from above, the most important factor here is that the top parts produce the most buds, and while I have seen photos of plants full of bud head to toe, I have failed to produce something like that, nor do I know how to.

So I'm not saying vert isn't the most efficient way, but I think the above sketch only shows part of the situation.
 

vertman

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הפקות מציגים: חורף 2012 vertman

הפקות מציגים: חורף 2012 vertman

חברים יקרים,
תירגול של שנים רבות
נותן את אותותיו
ATAMI דשנים של
שבוע ראשון בפריחה

vertman
 

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fonzee

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Staga, the auxins also helped the plants to go toward the light to minimize that issue.
vertman, KAVOD!
איזה זנים יש לך שם?
 

jungo

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stagafolaysa, good points.
בעצם, למה לעזאזל אני כותב באנגלית ?
הצמחים מטים את עצמם ו"מסתכלים" על המנורה, זה אולי לא 90 מעלות מושלם אבל זה דיי קרוב.

לגבי הצמיחה לגובה, גם כאן אין הרבה הבדל, הם ממשיכים לצמוח לגובה על המסך ואלו שנמצאים הכי גבוה גודלים הכי הרבה.

vertman, יפה מאוד !

תן קצת פירוט על מה שרץ שם

ממה שאני מבין זה C99 ?
מקורי או שזה F2 ?
כמה שהייתי רוצה לשים את היד על הזן הזה...
 

vertman

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היי חברה
G13 LABS WW הזן

יחורים בני חודש ושבוע נכנסים ל8-9 שבועות תחת 2400W
עציצים 15 ליטר כל המבנה מנוקז לנקודת ביקורת ניקוז
קוקוס פרליט אוסמוזה בלי לאזן PH
שאלות יענו בכיף
VERTMAN
 

fonzee

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נשמעת כמו אחלה מערכת :)
מה שאני הכי אוהב במערכת שלך זה שנראה שיש אחלה של גישה להכל

כמה שטח אתה מקצה לעניין? איזה מזגן? יש לך שליטה על לחות? אם הרצת כבר סטאפ דומה (ולפי הסידור זה נראה שהוא שופצר כבר) לכמה תפוקה אתה מצפה?
 
היי ורט, גם כשאתה משקה ייחורים וצמחים צעירים באיסי נמוך אתה לא מאזן פיאייץ?
 

vertman

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היי stagafolaysa
לכל אורך הגידול
עם שימוש במי אוסמוזה הערך הPH הוא 6.2
מספק אותי .

vertman
 

Dr happy

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בהצלחה וורטמן
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שאפו!
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חחחח
בהצלחה וורטמן מחכה לעדכונים :)

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