Committing suicide...

[Mtn. Nectar]

ones view of reality at any given time can create imbalances.......

back in the 80's an old friend jumped from the golden gate bridge thinkin' he may be #1000to do so.....unfortunately he was off by a few.......why he did it is beyond many....a good friend/surfer who seemed to enjoy life for what it's worth....can still see him smiling from ear to ear when we'd pull up to the cliffs checkin' the morning swell while sparkin' a fatty of the purple Haze.......

yea it was a fucked up day when I heard the news...but I would not judge for my own loss rather give thanks for being able to spend the time we did..........

ganj on.....

 

[devilgoob]

I wrote a long post.

It was a page, basically.

My only tip is, when you really feel you have the energy and motivation to commit suicide, bring your pipe along in your speeding car...and soon..you will change from having a reason to be violent.....to meditating on the fact of what could've motivated you to have such strong feelings.

 

[BrnCow]

You know what! Fuck that shit! These two bit cocksuckers are not driving me to commit suicide! I have just as much right to live on this spinning onion as they fucking do. I have lived with daily depression for a long time now and considered it but finally came to the conclusion that the answer is FUCK NO! I cannot even image how fucking ignorant a dumb ass would have to be to enjoy trying to drive fuckers over the edge! And if I feel that shit in my area, I am well versed in calling their sick asses out? I cannot count on there being some heaven out there and for the most part, wouldn't want to live forever with the fuckers that would likely be there. So, IMHO, at this time, this is it! And no fuckers going to seduce me to give it away because they have a blood lust to see someone die so they can talk shit over their dead body to their sick friends. Sound mad! Goddamn right it makes me mad. I have lost several people in my life so far and plan on outliving ALL of my enemies. I have survived several heart attacks, a crazy old lady poisoning my food and calling thee cops telling them all sorts of evil shit about me on a daily basis doper, child molester, thief, and everything else the anti christ does, been in several serious wrecks, etc.
But fuck them all! I won and will continue to do so. We are the CHAMPIONS of the WORLD! If the shit it is getting to you, fucking make a change! Any change!Go out side and let these government electronic brain washing machines alone. Do something - stop toking for a week or 10. Turn off the power to the hydro and go visit someone you haven't seen in a while - outta town! Drive or fly to warmer weather and go fishing on the coast somewhere. Get some sunshine somewhere! Go walk at the mall and carry your ID and some cash so they can't fuck with ya! Change the arena you are playing in! Stop drinking! Get some good quality food in ya! If it's a lady fucking with ya, go outside and scream "NEXT" and blow town till the bitch leaves. Stuff can be replaced! Get on the bus Gus...and set yourself free...lol ... I'm going fishing at Galveston real soon! And hell, I'm on low income also but no fucking excuses! 75 degrees right now and the fish are biting - especially right before weather comes in...

 

[BrnCow]

Death is the inability to change. So as long as your can change something, you ain't dead!

 

[one Q]

the only selfish thing about suicide is the fact that it costs money to die. We have all these rituals and shit and it gets expensive. To put that on your family unexpectedly is rude... at least plan to leave a little money behind...?

But I say the ppl that say that suicide is selfish are actually the selfish ones themselves. More concerned with how their death effected YOU than the how the sadness effected said person... Maybe my view is morbid?

I dont yet have an opinion about parents committing suicide, leaving a child or children behind. Being a sad deeply depressed parent that could ruin a kids life and perspective VS just ending it and that could ruin a kids life and perspective too...

 

[Bong Clown]

BrnCow, true wisdom there... it is amazing what a change of scenery can do, and how fast life can turn around. A long time ago I was depressed to the point of being seriously suicidal, but then I got some *amazing* news one day and my life improved so fast I got mental whiplash.

 

[Strainhunter]

Some great spirits posting here!

Have a problem?
Deal with it in some way, don't allow it to get you further down to the point of no return!
(don't know how to deal with it? call the help line I posted, those are pros knowing how to help!)

Way to go guys!

 

[ariston]

I think what was trying to be suggested is that if one chooses to kill themselves because they're unhappy then that's evidence of mental illness. Not that mental illness rules out unhappiness. Everyone has problems at sometime or another and becomes unhappy about things but not everyone chooses to kill themselves because they're unhappy.

I dont get what you mean. if one chooses to kill themself because they are unhappy, why are they necessary mentally ill?

I think the misunderstanding lies in how we define mentally ill. when you say mentally ill, I interpret that as unable to make rational decisions (their mind is in a state of unnormal mental development, and its functions are impaired caused by e.g. head trauma).

you cant claim someone is mentally ill because they are unhappy. this is just forcing your viewpoint of life in everyone and labeling them dysfunctional if they believe otherwise.

 

[HempKat]

I dont get what you mean. if one chooses to kill themself because they are unhappy, why are they necessary mentally ill?

I think the misunderstanding lies in how we define mentally ill. when you say mentally ill, I interpret that as unable to make rational decisions (their mind is in a state of unnormal mental development, and its functions are impaired caused by e.g. head trauma).

you cant claim someone is mentally ill because they are unhappy. this is just forcing your viewpoint of life in everyone and labeling them dysfunctional if they believe otherwise.

Well first off I was trying to point out what someone else was saying as your response to what they said sounded like you misunderstood them. Plus that person clarified his/her statement right after my post.

Now also I didn't say that if someone kills themself because they're unhappy they are necessarily mentally ill but rather it indicates possible mental illness because it's not the normal reaction to unhappiness. Most people when they're unhappy try to find a way to make themselves happy without killing themselves. Also I make that point because there is a mental disorder called S.A.D. (Seasonal Affective Disorder) where the shortening of the length of daylight brings about depression in some people. They seem unhappy and would probably say they were unhappy if they didn't know what was affecting them but actually they're just not getting enough light and their problems can be corrected thru what's called ""Light Therapy".

Now as far as how one defines mental illness you're essentially saying that you're applying your interpretation of mental illness to what I meant. Problem is your definition and my definition are not the same. I agree with most of your definition and think it fits the discussion because I don't feel that choosing to kill one's self because they're unhappy is a ratinal decision. Now if one kills themself because they're terminally ill and they want to avoid how bad life will become just before they die then that could be thought of as rational.

Finally, I never claimed that someone is mentally ill because they're unhappy, again my point was if they killed themselves simply because they were unhappy that would suggest mental illness because it's an abnormal reaction to something everyone experiences at some point or another and the vast majority do not kill themselves because of it..

 

[bombadil.360]

um... I never really knew what to think of this subject; I've known and befriended several people that killed themselves and others that tried but didn't suceed.

from where I see things, I always felt it was wrong to make those events about me, no matter how much grief their actions produced in others and in me.

I burned many joints in their names and drank a lot in their names, trying to extend myself beyond me and understand their choice, which is all I can really do; I feel judging their action to be off-limits in this case.

one thing I understood about it, is that I could never off myself, don't have the balls to do it, it is such a definite decision; I rather wait until my time is up, whenever that may be, regardless of the given situation.

but I found I had to respect my friends' choice, they were free to choose, and they chose, not a lot else to be done.

peace to everyone

 

[ariston]

Well first off I was trying to point out what someone else was saying as your response to what they said sounded like you misunderstood them. Plus that person clarified his/her statement right after my post.

Now also I didn't say that if someone kills themself because they're unhappy they are necessarily mentally ill but rather it indicates possible mental illness because it's not the normal reaction to unhappiness. Most people when they're unhappy try to find a way to make themselves happy without killing themselves.

obviously it would be better to enfore your preferences to your surroundings if you dislike them, instead of killing yourself. but we werent talking of any specific scenario from the beginning. also I dont like the way this is being played out because youre writing this as if I believe one should take their life when anything bad happens.

Also I make that point because there is a mental disorder called S.A.D. (Seasonal Affective Disorder) where the shortening of the length of daylight brings about depression in some people. They seem unhappy and would probably say they were unhappy if they didn't know what was affecting them but actually they're just not getting enough light and their problems can be corrected thru what's called ""Light Therapy".

interesting

Now as far as how one defines mental illness you're essentially saying that you're applying your interpretation of mental illness to what I meant. Problem is your definition and my definition are not the same. I agree with most of your definition and think it fits the discussion because I don't feel that choosing to kill one's self because they're unhappy is a ratinal decision. Now if one kills themself because they're terminally ill and they want to avoid how bad life will become just before they die then that could be thought of as rational.

thats a paradox. what if one wanted to avoid how bad life would be, as bad as if they were terminally ill, but would not die until decades? obviously, if enough elements which make for happiness are removed, very few still choose to live. you even mentioned one (suffering from some horrible illness).

Finally, I never claimed that someone is mentally ill because they're unhappy, again my point was if they killed themselves simply because they were unhappy that would suggest mental illness because it's an abnormal reaction to something everyone experiences at some point or another and the vast majority do not kill themselves because of it..

interesting opinions but again I dont like the way this is posted as a reply to me.

Lets take a look at my post

you are assuming that others know better or know the answer to everything, when you say that one should ask for help. perhaps one wants to end life just because of other people... asking those you cant stand isnt exactly an option either.

and by assuming it is an illness you are speaking from the assumption that there is no reason to be unhappy. if Id start listing the reasons one could be unhappy this thread would be endless.

personally I think it is everyones own choice whether they want to live or not. the world humans live in is horrible as one is born into slavery (government), best case scenario you get what is called democracy (the ability to choose a system which may suck a bit less, but is still a game of "two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner").

edit: to add, I dont think the above reasons the sole reason for commiting suicide, or that everyone feels the way I do about it. I believe it just shows that in general, being alive doesnt mean you should be happy. I believe that there simply is no reason for anyone else than one self to decide what to do with yourself, therefor the choice of commiting suicide is up to the individual.

a couple of minutes after posting I added the edit to clarify that I didnt mean my examples would merit commiting suicide. nowhere in my post did I say it is a good thing to commit suicide. I am just pointing out that the decision to do that is up to the individual.

 

[ShroomDr]

I did not read the whole thread, but i did not see anyone mention terminally ill people.

Suicide is not just about EMO teenagers and those who are mentally ill.

If someone is terminally ill, there can be something said for going out on your own accord, and not wasting away.

Dr. Kevorkian was not some psycho obsessed with killing people (as he was portrayed); and his death earlier this year has set his movement back.

 

[HempKat]

obviously it would be better to enfore your preferences to your surroundings if you dislike them, instead of killing yourself. but we werent talking of any specific scenario from the beginning. also I dont like the way this is being played out because youre writing this as if I believe one should take their life when anything bad happens.

No you just think I'm writing it that way, I never said anything anywhere about what you believe people should do. My reply was to address things you incorrectly read into my first post and now you are reading things into that reply that are incorrect. Perhaps you should stop trying to read things into what people say and just take them at face value? As for specific scenarios that's irrelevent the point I'm making is for someone to take their life simply because they are unhappy is abnormal and indicative of a mental illness.

thats a paradox. what if one wanted to avoid how bad life would be, as bad as if they were terminally ill, but would not die until decades? obviously, if enough elements which make for happiness are removed, very few still choose to live. you even mentioned one (suffering from some horrible illness).

It is not a paradox because nobody knows the future and therefore it would be irrational for them to try to avoid it by killing themself. The terminal illness scenario isn't irrational because in that case one does know the future. They know they have an illness that will kill them, cause suffering before death and can not be cured. One who is just unhappy and projecting that decades into the future they are going to remain unhappy is not thinking rationally. For all that person knows the next day they're going to hit the lottery for $100 Million dollars or they're going to find their soulmate.

interesting opinions but again I dont like the way this is posted as a reply to me.

Lets take a look at my post


a couple of minutes after posting I added the edit to clarify that I didnt mean my examples would merit commiting suicide. nowhere in my post did I say it is a good thing to commit suicide. I am just pointing out that the decision to do that is up to the individual.

And nowhere in my reply did I say you said it is a good thing to commit suicide. Again you need to stop reading things into what I say or we're just going to keep going back and forth with you saying "you said this" and me saying "No I didn't". Nor did I say anything about who the decision to commit suicide is up to. Although obviously it's up to the person doing it or it wouldn't be considered suicide. Generally when someone else decides to take someone's life it's called murder.

 

[wilbur]

"And nowhere in my reply did I say you said it is a good thing to commit suicide ...
obviously it's up to the person doing it" [/quote] (Sorry, I 've fucked up Ariston's quote somehow.)

I was a crisis telephone counsellor for a few years and we got a lot of suicide calls, often 'in progress'. the hardest thing was to withdraw MY judgements about the scenario presented by the caller. there's lots of judgements made here above about this and that. the only way we could protect ourselves from the stress of the calls was to realise that death was the caller's choice. and every choice is valid under a particular circumstance. regrettable ... but valid. we can't see with another's eyes.

 

[sso]

I did not read the whole thread, but i did not see anyone mention terminally ill people.

Suicide is not just about EMO teenagers and those who are mentally ill.

If someone is terminally ill, there can be something said for going out on your own accord, and not wasting away.

Dr. Kevorkian was not some psycho obsessed with killing people (as he was portrayed); and his death earlier this year has set his movement back.

"ok, you are terminally ill, we cant do shit, the pain medication doesnt work anymore and you are in hell, but sorry, its morally wrong to end your life, stick in there little buddy, you wont make it, but hey, we just are too uncomfortable with the "other thing""

thinking "at least we have earplugs and dont have to be in the same room, all the time"

yeah, i kinda think denying death to people in such conditions, ..rather cruel in many cases.

 

[groady-ho]

my mother had brain cancer (tumor).. didn't want the surgery just wanted to die..the family convinced her surgery was the best answer..died 6 mos. later a horrible death..we all now wish we had just let her die her own way even if that meant letting her kill herself od-ing on the meds...we all put our animals down when they get to sick or injured right...
no cowardice going out on your own terms!

 

[sso]

my mother had brain cancer (tumor).. didn't want the surgery just wanted to die..the family convinced her surgery was the best answer..died 6 mos. later a horrible death..we all now wish we had just let her die her own way even if that meant letting her kill herself od-ing on the meds...we all put our animals down when they get to sick or injured right...
no cowardice going out on your own terms!

sorry about your mom dude.

 

[groady-ho]

sorry about your mom dude.

thx bro..it was a long time ago..you can thank our fed gov't for it..back in the 60's the gov't released some test gas, the wind shifted and it blew into the town of green river wyo. killed all the animals, cows dogs cats deer and all my parents and their friends eventually got some type of cancer..and all of us kids ended getting some pretty bad auto-immune diseases..of course the gov't denies any relation to the cancers and illnesses being related to the gas..all of us who lived and grew up there at that time know different..

 

[devilgoob]

Calling someone selfish because they can relieve their pain, and you can't.

They are really egotistical and selfish. I guess they should be selfless and not care about themselves and devote their entirety to performing a monkey show with a "personality" and emotions, when in fact, these are all ways to negate the fact we are evolved animals that feel the need for death because some people are unwanted. Some are unwanted because they're ghost images of their failures and of both parents in the relationship. This is true in attachment, where the mammalian brain suffers of course, but the babie's needs are not even met in the reptilian brain where dreams and hunger come from and the parent's relationship not saturating all the functions of a warm mammal who is not asexual and doesn't bring the internal image to hyper-communicate and self-destruct as a grey matter NDMA neurotoxic process would occur and the reptile hallucinates.

This is why schizophrenics and crazies have the truth all the time. Their reptile knows true intent, the mammalian brain is weak. They rely on a center, that is socially unacceptable and makes the grey matter seem like eggs scrambled while the reptile tries to find a cure (trying to get ultra-powerful and telling things to the mammalian brain through drive and impulse, like a dream).

You must understand, just like food, just like water, you've been given things to grow.

What have their brains done? They've stopped loving and being able to be appreciated, their mammalian functions.

The reptile brain, needs food, needs a center of protection, needs warmth if it has a mammalian brain attached. Nothing can give it comfort, because it's center is off, deep in the reptile brain.

This is why seizures happen in autistics. This is why streaming of fearful stimuli happens in what can be described as a psychotic dream in schizophrenia.

The split of ego isn't just in the grey matter mammalian brain. It's a body split and from there the reptile can complex personality together or become a brain in-and-of-itself (type I psychopath.)

 

[Strainhunter]

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OK folks remember the below highlighted paragraph in my opening post?

Suicide is a whole different animal if committed by people who are terminally ill.

However there's absolutely nothing wrong discussing various scenarios here why ppl commit suicide, just keep in mind it's not all the same.

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I have increasingly become aware of especially younger people who are physically perfectly healthy and in the "bloom of their life" either already having committed suicide or talking about it - and besides taking their own life - leaving behind a mess just like I and my family have been in, just from a different background how it happened.

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