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what do you think guys? i want to add these with h202 but dont know if im gonna be forced to foliar spray them instead
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TREE KING
guys i would appreciate if i could get some responses to this thread cause ive been trying to figure this out for a while. advanced nutrients told me that bud candy and nirvana is compatible with h202 and nirvana is an organic additive. they said the only additives not compatible is ones that have living organisms in them such as parahna, tarantula, voodoo, and sensi zym. what are your thoughts on this? im hearing so many mixed things from different people that its getting crazy!
Bud Candy is VERY watered down MgSO4, aka Epsom salt, and sugar. H2O2 should have no ill effects on watered down sugar and MgSO4
What the fuck is 'Nirvana' suppose to be? <--- was that ironic enough?
FWIW ive always read snake oil interacts poorly with other things, unless you use fairy dust...
What the fuck is 'Nirvana' suppose to be? <--- was that ironic enough?
FWIW ive always read snake oil interacts poorly with other things, unless you use fairy dust...
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thats great news shroom thanks! you never said molasses so i just want to make sure heres all the stuff in bud candy
Arabinose, Dextrose, Glucose, Maltose and Xylose from Raw Cane Extract, Malt Extract, Cranberry Extract, molasses. do you still agree its compatible? i should of posted this earlier sorry
also here is whats in nirvana.
alfalfa extract, kelp extracts, soy protein, Yucca extract and Chilean Soap Bark extract, bat guano, yeast, azomite, humic and fulvic acid.
what do you think?
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ok. im taking it by your response that your saying its also compatible with nirvana. i guess a.n customer service was right. thats there job so i guess we should expect them to be right lol. the one thing im confused about is why does everyone always say dont use h202 with organic nutes? o well i dont know but as long as your positive there compatible thats all that matters
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Kitsym
yeah those formula's are compatible for sure!
Im glad you got the gist of what i was talking about.
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thanks Shroom and Kitsym!
Personally i cant see how H2o2 is compatible with organic nutes/addys, it oxidises organic componants breaking them down. what good is that doing? AN water everything down but i cant see what difference that would make. why is nivarna compatible with h2o2? 100% organic componants?
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i hear what Scrogerman is saying and thats what i thought the whole time. it would be nice if someone could explain the science behind this like what the h202 does to this organic matter and also what makes the plants still be able to use it afterwards
why in the world would you think 'Nirvana' is organic?
Perhaps my 'sarcasm key' was broken.
TREE KING you did not understand anything i said.
dihydrogen monoxide = H2O = WATER
AN is so watered down, calling it a 'supplement' is almost a joke. You cant kill what is not there.
Perhaps my 'sarcasm key' was broken.
TREE KING you did not understand anything i said.
dihydrogen monoxide = H2O = WATER
AN is so watered down, calling it a 'supplement' is almost a joke. You cant kill what is not there.
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ShroomDr i didnt understand the science behind it i just took your word for it. this link says its 100% organic
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/Nirvana/nirvana_product_information.php
"FOR ORGANIC HIGH VALUE GARDENING, USE THIS PREMIUM 100% ORGANIC FORMULA TO MAXIMIZE THE SIZE AND QUALITY OF YOUR BUDS"
so your saying the ingredients in nirvana are not compatible but since theres not that much of it from it being watered down then it doesnt matter? bear with my here cause im not good at science and always hated it
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/Nirvana/nirvana_product_information.php
"FOR ORGANIC HIGH VALUE GARDENING, USE THIS PREMIUM 100% ORGANIC FORMULA TO MAXIMIZE THE SIZE AND QUALITY OF YOUR BUDS"
so your saying the ingredients in nirvana are not compatible but since theres not that much of it from it being watered down then it doesnt matter? bear with my here cause im not good at science and always hated it
TheGreenReaper
Member
H202 interacts with organics. That is why you put it in the rez - to kill living shit - good and bad - so you dont get any shit in the Rez. If you do run h202 with organics...it wont hurt anything - but you will be essentially oxidizing off the h202 through its standard oxidation reaction with the organic materials. You basically neutralize all the h202 within a few hours, and 98% of the microbial life (good and bad) are gone...leaves just enough (That 2%)enough to go nasty and get weird slimes and shit. Either run organic...or chem during the production period. Sorta doing either one is inefficient and its hard on a plant when one week the root zone is a turkish bazaar of beneficial microbial life, and the next is like a nuclear scorch zone with just a few roaches scurrying around.
The ultimate answer is of course...No it wont directly hurt your plants - but its not necessarily great either., do what you feel you need to do.
Another side note, take it or leave it...Earth Juice Catalyst ($25/gallon) is a great..in my opinion the best...type of soil activator that does what "nirvana" type products are for.
The ultimate answer is of course...No it wont directly hurt your plants - but its not necessarily great either., do what you feel you need to do.
Another side note, take it or leave it...Earth Juice Catalyst ($25/gallon) is a great..in my opinion the best...type of soil activator that does what "nirvana" type products are for.
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just to be clear im talking about hydro. theres nothing alive in nirvana like pirahna etc and its not a microbial product so the plants should get the same positive effects from the additive right? so pretty much if the plants and rootzone are healthy than the only negative affect is the h202 doesnt last as long but the nirvana works identical. im just trying to figure out if the organic products i use are gonna be less affective on my plants from the h202 being mixed in. from your answer im guessing it has no affect on how good the additives work because theres nothing alive in it
AN's customer service 'job' is somewhere between selling you their products and separating a fool from their money.
Worst case scenario is you kill whatever is in their supplement with H2O2, then you can buy more of their fairy dust.
If you want to do organics, do organics, not some snake oil labeled 'organic'. Uranium is 'organic'; the word on a label is worthless.
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wouldnt something have to be alive in the supplement in order to kill it?
so you saying nirvana is not really organic but there telling people it is? maybe im wrong but i always thought bat guano was organic which is whats in nirvana
Im saying Uranium is organic. The label means nothing.
If i pee in a cup and sell it as NH4, its organic.
Putting 'organic' on a label means nothing (similar to how 'fat free' ≠ 'with out fat')
ORMI is an 'organic' certification, free free to google it, because some people say they dont go far enough.
Point is, the word 'organic' on a label means nothing.
If you 'buy in' to ORMI, that may mean something too.
Are you not aware that yeast is alive? You may want to read the other 164,936 threads.
If i pee in a cup and sell it as NH4, its organic.
Putting 'organic' on a label means nothing (similar to how 'fat free' ≠ 'with out fat')
ORMI is an 'organic' certification, free free to google it, because some people say they dont go far enough.
Point is, the word 'organic' on a label means nothing.
If you 'buy in' to ORMI, that may mean something too.
Are you not aware that yeast is alive? You may want to read the other 164,936 threads.
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your just being confusing now and i dont know what your trying to say. first you say its compatible and now your hinting toward it not being compatible because a.n just tells you anything you want to hear plus yeast is alive. im confused enough about this subject alone and all this hinting and being sarcastic isnt helping me
TheGreenReaper
Member
Okay I missed that. Then you should be trying to run as clean a rez as possible. Nirvana is full of kelp extracts...kelp is in the top 3 for making nasty shit in your rez (kelp, fish, & sugar) & interacts with the h202. In bud candy, you have Amino's which interact with the h202. Kelp and aminos ARE great for plants..specially kelp. By choosing hydro, there are some things you "dont" get to use that work exceptional in solid growing media.
*turns on "ShroomDr Sarcasm Key"* But AN said good to go to spend $80/gallon on each so I would assume that their formulas are advanced enough to suspend science and make up their own scientific laws.
If the thread keeps progressing as is, my conclusion would be:
1. You have received answers
2. You like circles
3. You need herpetology unguents to feel secure
Peace and good growing. Onward.
