Marijuana Might Make Your Sons Retarded!

[187020]

I was just wondering where all of these retarded kids come from...

 

[MissGreenDreamz]

"Pregnant Wistar MW-3 derived rats were treated with 250 mg/kg suboutaneously of an extract of Cannabis Sativa in 2.5 ml/kg of polyethylene glycol 300 or 2.5 ml/kg of polyethylene glycol 300 alone. A third group was left untreated. Treatments were made on days 8–11 of pregnancy. At term, the offspring were delivered normally by the mothers.Twenty-five offspring (15 males and 10 females) from each group were tested at 65 days of age in a Lashley III maze and were evaluated according to the following criteria: 3 out of 4 consecutive errorless trials; the number of errors committed and the time spent in the maze.
The Cannabis Sativa treated group was significantly inferior to the polyethylene glycol group in all three parameters, although this difference was not demonstrated when evaluating females alone."



That is the abstract to "The effect of pre-natal Cannabis Sativa on maze learning ability in the rat" by Gerald Gianutsos and Elvera R. Abbatiello. The document in its entirety is attached below.

Thoughts, anyone?

Bullshit study. Not nearly enough data to support.... anything.

Here's a much better study on effects of ganja on children exposed to it before and after they were born. I love this study especially because it goes longitudnal, I believe it follows the children for over 5 years, maybe even 10 if I remember.

A quick overview/article about the study http://www.theweedblog.com/jamaican...rs-shows-that-marijuana-doesnt-harm-newborns/

Here's how it was set up:

Objective. To identify neurobehavioral effects of prenatal marijuana exposure on neonates in rural Jamaica.

Design. Ethnographic field studies and standardized neurobehavior assessments during the neonatal period.

Setting. Rural Jamaica in heavy-marijuana-using population.

Participants. Twenty-four Jamaican neonates exposed to marijuana prenatally and 20 nonexposed neonates.

Measurements and main results. Exposed and nonexposed neonates were compared at 3 days and 1 month old, using the Brazelton Neonatal Assessment Scale, including supplementary items to capture possible subtle effects. There were no significant differences between exposed and nonexposed neonates on day 3. At 1 month, the exposed neonates showed better physiological stability and required less examiner facilitation to reach organized states. The neonates of heavy-marijuana-using mothers had better scores on autonomic stability, quality of alertness, irritability, and self-regulation and were judged to be more rewarding for caregivers.

Conclusions. The absence of any differences between the exposed on nonexposed groups in the early neonatal period suggest that the better scores of exposed neonates at 1 month are traceable to the cultural positioning and social and economic characteristics of mothers using marijuana that select for the use of marijuana but also promote neonatal development. Pediatrics 1994;93:254-260; prenatal marijuana exposure, neonatal outcomes, Jamaica, Brazelton scale supplementary items.

Full Publication: http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/hemp/medical/can-babies.htm

 

[MissGreenDreamz]

Anyone who consumes cannabis while pregnant or allows their girl/wife to do so, does not deserve to be a parent. Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The short lived rewards of getting lit for 2 hours doesn't equal the cost of a lifetime of birth defects and learning disabilities. It should be a crime for shit like this to happen.

WHILE PREGNANT... its OK! In fact, your child will actually turn out better, and the mother has the opportunity to cure nausea, stress, sleeplessness, depression, side effects from other bullshit western meds that ARE harmful to baby, and on and on and on and on. My ganga baby skipped kindergarten cause she was too smart for it. I had a 5 year old in first grade. Na na na na booo booo. Pull your head out of your ass please, this is 2011.

Sincerely, Miss Green Dreamz

 

[Bobby Stainless]

Thread about this in the Women's forum...

 

[187020]

Is there a strain that might increase the chance of thin children with some decent fashion sense?

 

[COOKIE MONSTER]

Good thing, indeed - I'm a squirrel...

Well Classy old bean....they do say you are what you eat, so I'm guessing that would make you nuts

 

[dizzlekush]

Thread about this in the Women's forum...

and what are you doing poking around in there, 'Bobby Stainless"? HHHMMMMM?!?

 

[wilbur]

No, No! it's quite TRUE! when I look at the behaviour of my three sons there is no doubt parental toking has caused them to be retarded.

the really sad thing is that the Wife and I don't care!

 

[rambone]

I realize this only represents an isolated incident but a friend's mom is a long time herbalist and smoked throughout all three of her pregnancies, but all three of the kids ridiculously well-rounded and intelligent. One of them is a straight up engineering genius (not exaggerating). My mom however did not smoke during her pregnancy and lets just say that the "stoner" mom's kids are doing a little bit better by societal standards than me.

 

[Classy@Home]

Well Classy old bean....they do say you are what you eat, so I'm guessing that would make you nuts

I'm also a little pussy...

I lob 'em, you hit 'em outta the park...

(Sa-wing, batta batta batta, Sa-winnng...)

 

[AmeriSkunk]

you know there are things that just set me off and shit like this is one of them... if i dosed myself at 250mg per kg of my body weight i would be comatose stoned and probably sleep until wendesday, lets not forget that it was injected into the bloodstream also... Secondly i am not a fucking rat and dont care to be compared to one, i understand the studies and how they compare with humans but. this is non lethal if you want to show me something do it on a chimp, then say something. furthermore who is to say that the rat selected for the thc injection wasnt retarded in some way? or just slower than the rest, or hell even purposely inbred to skew the results of this test. if you think people wont go out of there way to skew the results your a sheep. people are just dumb now days, theres so many that good genetics are hard to come by and damn it, i have a son and he is smart, annoyingly smart. I smoked his mother didnt maybe thats different from this study but i dont care this shit is insulting. and people just take this for fact since its spun a certain way and its from a "scientist". Damn i hate people in general, this is infuriating

 

[BattleAxe]

Dude - you know cannabis was used for thousands of years to alleviate pain during childbirth???

Tens of generations of YOUR ancestors - feel different now???

This ain't thalidomide we're talkin' about - it's a herb. Analgesic, pain reducing, and yes, psychoactive, but even the great Queen Victoria used it to calm her lady cramps.

Every fucking study that shows defects, brain damage and genetic probs was paid for directly or indirectly by someone whose own product is threatened by a basically free weed.

Partnership for a drug free america - big pharma and booze.

Ya, let's trust them...

If I lived in the setting that you describe, I might be willing to jump on board with this but now that we have modern science, I would have to disagree.

A zygote, fetus, infant for simplicity purposes can be compared to a clone or cutling, it's common knowledge on this site, that cutlings and clones are more susceptible to everything. Is it your position that cannabis will have no ill effect on a fetus? Do the risks outweigh the reward? If it does to you then feel free to invite the mother of your child to partake. Personally speaking, I wasn't willing to take that chance.

WHILE PREGNANT... its OK! In fact, your child will actually turn out better, and the mother has the opportunity to cure nausea, stress, sleeplessness, depression, side effects from other bullshit western meds that ARE harmful to baby, and on and on and on and on. My ganga baby skipped kindergarten cause she was too smart for it. I had a 5 year old in first grade. Na na na na booo booo. Pull your head out of your ass please, this is 2011.

Sincerely, Miss Green Dreamz

Real mature and an excellent example of stellar parenting. Lucky for your ganga baby, they turned out alright but I would be willing to bet that aside from doping your fetus's up to relieve your woes, you are probably a good mother that takes time to develop your kids at home as well, flash cards, reading, stories, play, etc. All things can be compensated for in one way or another.

Those are your kids, so you do what you want with them as I said before, I'm not willing to take that chance.

LOL at the neg rep for my posting in this thread. Really? I'm getting neg rep for stating that I don't believe it's ok to medicate while you are pregnant. Ridiculous

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I was just wondering where all of these retarded kids come from...

Looked at the modern diet lately... including the alcohol and Rx?

Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Add in that we're now on our second generation of "Occupationally Orphaned" children and well.... nice mess, eh?


By the way... the study is bullshit. Had I not a family that deserves my time more... I'd spend a week laying out as to why. Most wouldn't get it anyway. *shrug*


Stay Safe!

 

[AmeriSkunk]

i honestly believe over population is a big cause for all of these genetically defunct people. some of which im sure are reading this

 

[dizzlekush]

or hell even purposely inbred to skew the results of this test. if you think people wont go out of there way to skew the results your a sheep.... and people just take this for fact since its spun a certain way and its from a "scientist". Damn i hate people in general, this is infuriating

sounds like someone's a Luddite... ya fuck science, what good has it done for us (as i type on my computer and send a message across an invisible, ever working aether of information). them dumba** scientists are always messin stuff up for us smarties...

 

[trichrider]

are rats able to exhibit retardation?

there are variables unexplained.

silliness, next thing they wiil say is everyone exposed to cannabis is somehow mentally unstable and should be quarenteened or exterminated.

we are after all unable to lawfully abide their rules.

 

[Classy@Home]

There will be retards - but not from cannabis (from ignorance)

There will be retards - but not from cannabis (from ignorance)

A zygote, fetus, infant for simplicity purposes can be compared to a clone or cutling, it's common knowledge on this site, that cutlings and clones are more susceptible to everything. Is it your position that cannabis will have no ill effect on a fetus? Do the risks outweigh the reward? If it does to you then feel free to invite the mother of your child to partake. Personally speaking, I wasn't willing to take that chance.

Cutling or clone??? Cutling??? WTF was your mama smokin', crack???

It is my "opinion" that cannabis will have no ill effect on any stage of development of a fetus - Yes...

Smoking - possibly. Smoking anything, ANYTHING, can effect everyone - tobacco, dates, honey, cannabis. The smoke is the issue, not the item smoked.

Comparing a "seedling" or a rooting clone to a fetus is such a stretch as to border on ludicrous. Give a seedling or clone it's basic necessities - it will thrive. There are many substances that will harm a fetus - from what I have seen and read (and I am neither stupid or ill-informed), cannabis, CANNABIS, is so non hazardous that our civilization would not be what it is without its copious use.

The human body has specific receptors tailored for the ingredients in cannabis - built in. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years - maybe millions of years of human / near human interaction w/ cannabis.

We've built with it, healed with it, tripped with it, explored with it, traded with it, conquered with it, made peace with it, written our great works on it. It has followed every civilization, moved with us, changed with us, and changed us.

It has NEVER, let me repeat this for your benefit, NEVER killed a single user - EVER - impossible to OD on, and can help addicts wean themselves off man made drugs that CAN and DO kill thousands (millions???) every year.

Reactionary, scary, knee jerk emotional issues aside - some dumbass leo (Ainslinger - may he rot in the foulest corner of hell) help demonize the plant using racist and blatantly false rhetoric.

Take his, and others, early testimony from the campaign to make cannabis illegal, and try to make those same statements in public today. You will be arrested as a racist. Read the things he swore to about "Negroes, Filipinos and Mexicans" and feel your stomach turn.

There was not one iota of real evidence to support prohibition of cannabis - yet he played to the ignorance and racism rampant in the US, and managed to make a whole generation fear something they had nothing to fear from.

Stop saying you are "helping the kids" - open your eyes, and see...

Whew...

 

[BattleAxe]

Cutling or clone??? Cutling??? WTF was your mama smokin', crack???

It is my "opinion" that cannabis will have no ill effect on any stage of development of a fetus - Yes...

Smoking - possibly. Smoking anything, ANYTHING, can effect everyone - tobacco, dates, honey, cannabis. The smoke is the issue, not the item smoked.

Comparing a "seedling" or a rooting clone to a fetus is such a stretch as to border on ludicrous. Give a seedling or clone it's basic necessities - it will thrive. There are many substances that will harm a fetus - from what I have seen and read (and I am neither stupid or ill-informed), cannabis, CANNABIS, is so non hazardous that our civilization would not be what it is without its copious use.

The human body has specific receptors tailored for the ingredients in cannabis - built in. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years - maybe millions of years of human / near human interaction w/ cannabis.

We've built with it, healed with it, tripped with it, explored with it, traded with it, conquered with it, made peace with it, written our great works on it. It has followed every civilization, moved with us, changed with us, and changed us.

It has NEVER, let me repeat this for your benefit, NEVER killed a single user - EVER - impossible to OD on, and can help addicts wean themselves off man made drugs that CAN and DO kill thousands (millions???) every year.

Reactionary, scary, knee jerk emotional issues aside - some dumbass leo (Ainslinger - may he rot in the foulest corner of hell) help demonize the plant using racist and blatantly false rhetoric.

Take his, and others, early testimony from the campaign to make cannabis illegal, and try to make those same statements in public today. You will be arrested as a racist. Read the things he swore to about "Negroes, Filipinos and Mexicans" and feel your stomach turn.

There was not one iota of real evidence to support prohibition of cannabis - yet he played to the ignorance and racism rampant in the US, and managed to make a whole generation fear something they had nothing to fear from.

Stop saying you are "helping the kids" - open your eyes, and see...

Whew...

Good morning to you as well, grammar gestapo

I'm not debating the positive aspects of the plant of our favorite plant. So the majority of your last rant, is irrelevant, given that the word "we" pertains to us as adults, not undeveloped children, with undeveloped cannabinoid receptors and undeveloped brains. The basis for cannabis prohibition is another issue separate from the ill effects on a fetus.

I don't need to dig up studies to cite my claims. I know people who have ingested THC while pregnant, their kids show it. Innatentive, ADD, ADHD, and a slew of other issues that may or may not be attributed to use during pregnancy. My stance is the same, I personally have not seen enough evidence that it is not detrimental to development to risk the well being of my child because I read some internet history on why cannabis was outlawed.

I never said it killed anyone.

No need for a pissing match. Smoke your kids stupid for all I care, less competition for mine.

 

[Classy@Home]

Cant' wait till our kids meet...

Cant' wait till our kids meet...

My kids will own your kids - dumbass, dope smokin' Dad and all...

My eldest son (the fastest sperm I produced that time) is a super-intellect. Tested in the top .4% (that means out of 1000 people, he is in the top 4 - I test in the top 2% after a long time smokin' dope). Valedictorian, honours grad, athlete, perfect health, perfect eye sight, no mental issues, never a legal issue, popular, social, plays in the church band, and was hired to run a summer centre for disadvantaged youths (w/ 3 adult employees) at 17.

My youngest son (fastest sperm, etc.) is honours grad, 3 sport award winning athlete, team captain, dynamic, social, a leader that all his friends look to, perfect health, every teacher he's had has said he was a delight, no mental issues, no legal issues.

I have been getting high (on cannabis) their entire lives - walked 'em to school high, went to parent teacher nites high, birthdays, family trips (most times - Mrs. asked me not to fly with any), helped w/ homework, sang bedtime songs, and taught all their life lessons - high.

Never made it an issue - made them do their own reading on it - never pushed my opinion on them. My one son did a class project on drugs - I encouraged him to read BOTH sides of issue. I will point out both the positive role models that smoked pot - Sagan, Jefferson, as well as dumbass athletes that ruin their careers for it.

You whipped out the pecker for the pissing match - don't complain when you measure up VERY short.

Cannabis needs more reality - and less conjecture. You have nothing in your quiver but fallacy and innuendo - a meager knowledge is very dangerous, yours is meager as hell.

Stick your facts up your ass - and get your head out of there.

You belong to a pro-mj site - act like you are FOR it, not against US...

 

[wilbur]

GOSH! this is being taken very seriously is it not? cannabis doesn't effect anything except it confuses young minds when they smoke it.

and I 'd rather see my kids smoking dope than drinking alcohol. now that stuff is the real mind fuck! and it's legal ... ?!!