Saponins - SaferGro Natural Wet?

[dizzlekush]

Ive been interested in finding a good source of saponins and ran across the OMRI and WSDA organic certified "SaferGro Natural Wet"

Im wondering if anybody out there has used it or has another cheap source of quality saponins to suggest.

http://safergro.com/product2/naturalwet.htm

 

[dizzlekush]

here are the only other products ive found so far that have saponins

SaferGro Natural Wet: 10% saponins derived from yucca
Humboldt Nutrients Sticky: 3% saponins derived from yucca, .5% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
B'Cuzz Foliar Boost: unknown concentration of saponins derived from yucca and soapbark (least concentrated product)
Nutri-Stim Saponins: 70% saponins (unknown source)

http://www.hhydro.com/Humboldt-Nutrients-Humboldt-Sticky-Quart.html
http://safergro.com/label/natural.htm
http://www.nutri-tech.com.au/products/liquid-fertilisers/nutri-stim-saponins.html

 

[SeaMaiden]

Quinoa. It needs rinsing prior to cooking because of the saponins.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

I use my quinoa water in my rez, no problamo.

 

[Hash Man]

thermx70 is yucca and its cheaper than most other wetting agent I have found
I have used only one bottle of it in 2 outdoor grow seasons.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Next year I hope to grow my own quinoa. I understand that it needs good soil fertility, but not much water.

 

[dizzlekush]

thermx70 is yucca and its cheaper than most other wetting agent I have found
I have used only one bottle of it in 2 outdoor grow seasons.

Thermx70 is 20% saponins derived from yucca and about $100 a gallon

SaferGro Naural Wet is 10% saponins and about $11 a quart.

in comparison, the Natural Wet is cheaper and you can buy smaller amounts of it, but this is exactly the kind of thing i was looking for. thanx for you input.

http://www.groworganic.com/media/pdfs/psa001-b.pdf
http://safergro.com/label/natural.htm

using the saponins from your quinoia rinse? sounds possible... not what im looking for though.

 

[Hash Man]

Dizzlekush- while it is true that safer gronatural wet is cheaper, take a look at the application rate on both bottles. The safer gro label calls for 1/2 ounce per gallon for its application rate. The thermx70 calls for 8 ounces to 100 gallons...or 1/2 ounce every 6.25 gallons....making thermx 6.25 times as strong. The stuff absolutely rocks and is the standard wetting agent among the outdoor growers in my area. Hash

 

[dizzlekush]

Dizzlekush- while it is true that safer gronatural wet is cheaper, take a look at the application rate on both bottles. The safer gro label calls for 1/2 ounce per gallon for its application rate. The thermx70 calls for 8 ounces to 100 gallons...or 1/2 ounce every 6.25 gallons....making thermx 6.25 times as strong. The stuff absolutely rocks and is the standard wetting agent among the outdoor growers in my area. Hash

@Hash Man good point on the application rates. interesting... Thermx70 is 70% yucca extract, and application rates are 6.25x more concentrated then the SaferGro... but when it comes to amounts of saponins for your dollar, Natural Wet > Thermx70. its interesting that if following application rates the saponin content of Natural Wet = the aloe vera extract content of Thermx70, and the saponin content is about 75% weaker.

 

[Hash Man]

Dizzlekush, I am specifically here to learn and share the art of growing this magical herb. I would love to know the mathematics that led you to these conclusions... I only use the Thermx as a spreader/sticker, and the saponin content is an advantage but not my final goal. I am confused how natural wet can have mote saponins when its 10% saponin and. 5oz/g application and thermx is 20% saponin and .5oz for every 6. please help me understand this I would appreciate it greatly.

 

[dizzlekush]

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I am confused how natural wet can have mote saponins when its 10% saponin and. 5oz/g application and thermx is 20% saponin and .5oz for every 6. please help me understand this I would appreciate it greatly.

but when it comes to amounts of saponins for your dollar, Natural Wet > Thermx70.

Safergro Natural Wet is $11 or $44 a gallon for 10% saponins = or $44 for 12.8fl oz of saponins (and can be purchased at smaller quantities)
Thermx70 is $100 a gallon for 20% saponins= or $50 for 12.8fl oz of saponins

I am looking for saponins specifically, not wetting agents in general (hence title of thread). i already have 3 liters of polysorbate 20. and like i stated previously, SaferGro Natural Wet> Thermx70 when it comes to amount of saponins specifically for your $, as my math above shows. however you are right that when it comes to wetting agents in general the application rates of the Thermx70 make it a better buy than Natural Wet.

I went to my store today to see if the Natural Wet was in stock and the store owner gave me a free 4L of Advanced Nutrients Organic Wet Betty, which i think is probably just Thermx70 at 1/350 of the concentration, but hey, free shit. $90 retail value too gonna still go buy that Natural Wet and use it for my foliars and just use the Wet Betty in the res.

 

[Hash Man]

This makes sense. Thanks a bunch for the lesson. Good luck with the safergro.Hash