What is happening to the USA??? Give us your input.
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we are so far off of capitalism in this country its not even funny... That word now is just thrown out there to manipulate the people that can see shit on there own...
we havent had free markets in this country for a long long time.
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Here's an example of what we are dealing with in the general public.
I asked my boss if he could turn on the debate while working last night. He has not been following it at all. Doesn't know the candidates at all, but was interested. He thinks Obama is doing a good job because he was handed a financial crisis that was Bush's fault so he can't blame him for the downturn. But he's open to the other side too.
So he's looking at all the candidates and said he likes Gingrich and Huntsman because they 'look good, like good body language, seem very confident and strong'. So I say, yeah but you can't judge them by how they come across you gotta listen to what they're saying, what they stand for, their history, their record. I'm a big Ron Paul fan so I said listen to this guy and his response was, 'Man, yeah but he's so old!'
He's interested in someone who seems the most presidential and looks like a president and is confident. Doesn't really listen to or care much about anything else.
I know lots more people are really beginning to pay attention and wake up which is really nice to see.
Unfortunately my boss and people like him get to vote too, and their vote is just as good as yours, and there are lots and lots of people like him. The majority I would say. Who perhaps follow and know a little more than my boss, but still vote on gut instinct and looks rather than substance. This is where the media spin and hype for candidates they choose (or are told to favor) wins. Most people will just follow along with who the 'experts' say is the best.
Sad but true.
I asked my boss if he could turn on the debate while working last night. He has not been following it at all. Doesn't know the candidates at all, but was interested. He thinks Obama is doing a good job because he was handed a financial crisis that was Bush's fault so he can't blame him for the downturn. But he's open to the other side too.
So he's looking at all the candidates and said he likes Gingrich and Huntsman because they 'look good, like good body language, seem very confident and strong'. So I say, yeah but you can't judge them by how they come across you gotta listen to what they're saying, what they stand for, their history, their record. I'm a big Ron Paul fan so I said listen to this guy and his response was, 'Man, yeah but he's so old!'
He's interested in someone who seems the most presidential and looks like a president and is confident. Doesn't really listen to or care much about anything else.
I know lots more people are really beginning to pay attention and wake up which is really nice to see.
Unfortunately my boss and people like him get to vote too, and their vote is just as good as yours, and there are lots and lots of people like him. The majority I would say. Who perhaps follow and know a little more than my boss, but still vote on gut instinct and looks rather than substance. This is where the media spin and hype for candidates they choose (or are told to favor) wins. Most people will just follow along with who the 'experts' say is the best.
Sad but true.
the lobbyists/policy makers dont want anything to change. so we just get the same ol same ol
60 minutes had a good piece last week about the lobbyists and how they influence bills
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_min...ClkmnB_ZAiM4Qja8L4YBItY&vs=homepage&play=true
60 minutes had a good piece last week about the lobbyists and how they influence bills
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_min...ClkmnB_ZAiM4Qja8L4YBItY&vs=homepage&play=true
A lot of Americans are too fat, dumb and content to think and then act. and of those that do vote, about 30-40% are sheep. they will follow blindly without thinking for themselves and considering the pros and cons of electing someone.
much like the 25% or so republicans followed Bush to the end. they could not see that the man was in NO WAY a fiscal conservative. and i don't intend for this to be partisan. there are dems that do the same. they can see no wrong, can use no logic or deductive reasoning...
and yes, they can vote
Ron Paul is a libertarian. To vote for Ron Paul, one would have to subscribe to libertarian principles.
I don't need media's perspective to know I'll never vote for Paul. All I had to do was visit Paul's web page and look at his platform. Not to mention the fact he's been around since '88 and anybody with a pulse knows what he advocates.
Saying people are sheep because they don't consider Paul is a baseless argument. Suggesting one guy doesn't think realistically because he doesn't think like you says more about you than them.
I don't need media's perspective to know I'll never vote for Paul. All I had to do was visit Paul's web page and look at his platform. Not to mention the fact he's been around since '88 and anybody with a pulse knows what he advocates.
Saying people are sheep because they don't consider Paul is a baseless argument. Suggesting one guy doesn't think realistically because he doesn't think like you says more about you than them.
whatever
i wasn't even talking about ron paul.
to be quite honest i was thinking of the 25% of sheep that still support bush and supported him until the day he left office. i know a lot of people that think bush did no wrong. they can't think clearly for themselves. they might be able to think, but they can't step back, observe and deduct... they're blind... they made up their minds along time ago and just go thru the paces...
but, don't let that make you think there are not buffoons on the dems side also, that will just follow blindly, regardless of the facts or reality...
btw, ron paul could fix a lot of the shit that's wrong by getting the govt out of our lives...
whatever?
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That's what's happening in America
Might change your mind if you heard what your boss has to say, what he stands for and whether he's an historic flip flop. To some folks, voting is a private matter. Not necessarily because they're insecure. Politics can be a touchy subject, depending.
You got all that from - 'he likes Gingrich and Huntsman because they 'look good, like good body language, seem very confident and strong'.
uh oh, are you one of the 25% ?
Nope. I just think that other than waxing agencies and returning to the gold standard, Paul supporters know as little about the man as they suggest others know about their candidates.
IMO, Paul doesn't advocate your legal right to smoke weed. He just says the feds shouldn't be the ones telling you no.
The president can't unilaterally do the things Paul advocates, like waxing the fed. He's been advocating the gold standard nationally since 1988 yet he's never determined, let alone expressed how to do it. When reminded our gold reserves are a pittance to GDP, Paul says we may have to consider some type of fractional (gold) reserve. I think 23 years is long enough to have a few economists on the record, showing how this will work and what it means to your personal bottom line as compared to the economy.
IMO, Ron Paul's ideas ask more questions than he can possibly answer in debates. But the guy's been a national figure for 23 years. We should be beyond what he wants to wax and into what life would be like with a Paul presidency. After all, he's THE most radical candidate in the field when you compare his platform to the pack.
Arguments abound whether we're governed from the center or the center-right. There's no candidate to the right of Ron Paul. IMO, no candidate has aligned with Ron Paul since Ed Clark and David Koch in 1980. George McGovern crashed in '72 and ever since, democrats haven't attempted advance liberal policies nationally. Paul is the other (end) of the spectrum. Not likely Paul will win with a broad center electorate.
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Do ppl. really think the sysyem can be fixed? Everyone lives beyond their means due to their feelings of entitlement.I heard a guy say on TV that he and his wife drive used cars and are always behind on their bills.Then the guy says my neighbour and his wife drive Mercedes and live in a beautiful house.The guy doing the the documentary asked the fellow what he works at and what education he has etc...and also asked what his neihbour does for a living.The guy who was complaining said I work on construction,and my neihbour is a brain surgeon.....who works at east 16 hrs a day....There will always be different classes but I do see ppl. with little or no training or education but thinks he should be in a class with others who have worked very hard to get where he is.
btw I live in Canada and if I was able to work I could get a job tomorrow making decent money and could 7 days a week if I really wanted to get ahead.I realize things are probably a bit toughber in the US,due probably the money to run a big machine is taking it,s toll.I hope things get better before they get worse.There will always be ups and downs in this world economy. I,m glad I,m not living in Greece and a host of other countries.
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btw I live in Canada and if I was able to work I could get a job tomorrow making decent money and could 7 days a week if I really wanted to get ahead.I realize things are probably a bit toughber in the US,due probably the money to run a big machine is taking it,s toll.I hope things get better before they get worse.There will always be ups and downs in this world economy. I,m glad I,m not living in Greece and a host of other countries.
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there is no canidate to the right of Ron Paul ?????
WTF? ever heard of neo-consevatives? Perry, Bachman, Santorum... Tea Party ???
Ron Paul does support getting the Feds out of the War on Drugs and he also believes the War on Drugs is a huge failure. are you insinuating he is suggest moving the WOD to the state level. i think not...
but what is up with all the Ron Paul talk?
My original response was not in support of Ron Paul or against his opponents, it was just to point out there are extremists on both sides of the fence. they are the sheeple. they are the closed minded. they are a problem...
some watch fox news exclusively and others watch msnbc exclusively... they are brainwashed...
you can't honestly be suggesting that all Americans have the ability to deductively reason, are you?
That's what's happening in America
That and beaver cleaver reruns.
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I'll take my chicken feather pillow over the OWS "ForeverLazy" types, all day, every day...
You can keep all the time you like with whatever...lol
You can keep all the time you like with whatever...lol
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Presidents don't matter. They are all part of the same system and shit ain't ever going to change until most of America is in the streets but that won't happen either. Maybe some presidents think they can change the system and then they become president and realize that it's impossible. It's all down hill from here. The gravy train is over cause it was all a house of cards waiting to collapse.
HANDOUTS!!! In many ways. People who HONESTLY could work getting $$$$ to sit at home,robbing the system.That is an issue. I stated this in another thread,but it fits here as well. The folks with the benifit card with 5 kids who eat better than most of us, who btw, have pretty nice cars,who also seem to have really nice necklaces,rings,ect, also those same people go home to a spot where they pay NO rent!! PLEASE, don't get me wrong....there are folks out there that REALLY need help,I have no problem with that at all. There needs to be some sort of further investigating before handing cash to just anyone. Right now as I am typing this ...there are Vets living on the street hungry,homeless, who fell through the cracks. BUT, others who have done nothing,contributed nothing,their future plans consist of nothing.....are getting paid serious $$$$.
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You got all that from - 'he likes Gingrich and Huntsman because they 'look good, like good body language, seem very confident and strong'.
No I got that from spending a night with him working and watching the dabate. Would you like me to write our entire interaction down?
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