Is cannabis addicitive?

[Rowdy420]

Sometimes the OG and Sour D get all smoked up first, is that addictive?

Good luck, Peace

 

[mad librettist]

words matter

this one comes from latin:

addictus m (feminine addicta, neuter addictum); first/second declension
assigned, dedicated having been assigned.
handed over, having been handed over.

Noun
addictus (genitive addictī); m, second declension
A debt slave; a person who has been bound as a slave to his creditor.

 

[Grass Lands]

It all depends on the person, I have walked away, quit if you will many times over, never once had a issue with the shake or being agitated in any form..

However I do know folks who cannot walk away when they feel like it...then again I know people who are addicted to things like Mtn dew...without it they are just fucking assholes...put a dew in them and they are nice as pie...

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

physical dependence
Substance abuse A physiologic state of neuro-adaptation to a specific opioid, characterized by a withdrawal syndrome if the drug is stopped or ↓ abruptly, or if an antagonist administered; PD may be relieved partly or completely by readministration of the substance.

physical dependence,
substance dependence in which there is evidence of tolerance, withdrawal, or both.

Addiction
Definition
Addiction is a persistent, compulsive dependence on a behavior or substance. The term has been partially replaced by the word dependence for substance abuse. Addiction has been extended, however, to include mood-altering behaviors or activities. Some researchers speak of two types of addictions: substance addictions (for example, alcoholism, drug abuse, and smoking); and process addictions (for example, gambling, spending, shopping, eating, and sexual activity). There is a growing recognition that many addicts, such as polydrug abusers, are addicted to more than one substance or process.

Since you want to split hairs anything can be addictive because physical as well as mental addiction are included in the definition of addiction according to the medical community.

Poll can eating couches be addictive? (google people addicted to eating eating couch cushions...)

Yes.

Poll can eating dirt be addictive? (google people addicted to eating dirt...)

Yes.

Poll Can playing video games be addictive?

Yes.

Poll can watching TV be addictive?

Yes.

Poll can someone be addicted to anything regardless of whether it is ingested or merely interacted with?

Yes.

Poll can someone be addicted to anything?

Yes.

.........

Is there a physical dependence to MJ? Absolutely not.

 

[devilgoob]

I can say that I have smoked pot for 10 years strong.

Many people watch and wonder, how I think. A lot of pot smokers are geniuses, this is not a coincidence. I am a jester. A fool of society, a lord unto nothing. Merely a pawn in the game, cheering others on.

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Edit: N/M wrong term disregard what was previously posted in this post if you read it.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

its also part of the learning process on a day to day basis, as we learn and sense and new synapse juctions are layed down in the webs upon webs of experiences (like tributaries) that are our brains certain behaviours and experiences through obsessive repetition become carved into the brain turning tributaries into rivers that people cannot escape from,, this is how i see addiction,,

people are definitely not playing on a level field,,

I remember one study where they had subjects under a perfusion brain scan and then tried different stuff to see how the brain's blood flow changed. When they handed a smoker a pipe, the portion of the brain related to craving/desire would show increased blood flow.

I have little doubt that old routines such as rolling a joint trigger a flow of molecules related to anticipation as well as satisfaction for having completed a step in the routine.... A friend once spoke of the idea that smokers were like Buddhists, partially hooked on the practice of manipulating one's breath.

An interesting side note, is the differences in effect when one has a high tolerance as compared to not having smoked constantly. If one's tolerance is so developed that you're not really getting high then what is it you're doing? ... striving for something that is now unattainable? ... or loading up the bloodstream until some level of cannabinoids is reached which quenches the desire to smoke more? And what is it then that triggers the feeling of satiation? It's not because one feels too high.

It's a very complex and important subject that is difficult to openly discuss intelligently between the judgement, denial, and demagoguery. Hopefully we can get there but I doubt it.

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Ok, I see your point. At first glance I took it as an attack on MJ I knew first hand to be false, when you were merely looking for an argument to pose against the addiction hysteria. I should have read more thoroughly.

If it isn't a choice it is a disease or addiction with its ever so broad and evolving definition and this gets more $ from the insurance companies, medicare, and medicaid. It's the gravy train...the psychologist that sits in front of you in court mandated and government funded drug rehab that you can't leave until you lie to them and 'admit' you are addicted to weed makes a lot of money and benefits and counts as a 'job'...

Much more money in treatment vs. a cure. On zoloft etc...it is quite similar I agree. Antidepressants are huge dollars and depression has every symptom that everyone experiences at one time or another or even for extended periods of time in their lives. Antidepressants merely get you high and do not cure your depression they mask it and kill your fuckin dopamine in the long run hence the suicidal shit going on; they want you on 'their' drugs not 'yours'$ My brother took zoloft and xanax prescribed by a psychologist for years...had the suicide shit too.

Obesity isn't a choice and can't be fixed by diet and exercise right? It's a disease...humans aren't cognitive in their decision making right? With the admission of cognitive decision making comes the loss of a lot of $$$$

 

[lost in a sea]

I remember one study where they had subjects under a perfusion brain scan and then tried different stuff to see how the brain's blood flow changed. When they handed a smoker a pipe, the portion of the brain related to craving/desire would show increased blood flow.

I have little doubt that old routines such as rolling a joint trigger a flow of molecules related to anticipation as well as satisfaction for having completed a step in the routine.... A friend once spoke of the idea that smokers were like Buddhists, partially hooked on the practice of manipulating one's breath.

>i agree with all that and i like what your friend was saying ive wondered that a few times,,,

An interesting side note, is the differences in effect when one has a high tolerance as compared to not having smoked constantly. If one's tolerance is so developed that you're not really getting high then what is it you're doing?

>maintaining the neurochemical concentration of cannabinoids as high as is possible in your brain,,, till you introduce a different mix of chemicals from some different bud which will change the high,, sometimes perceived as being stronger depending on what effect the person preferred,,,

... striving for something that is now unattainable?

>usually just the taste and smoking experience i guess,, or more importantly the whole ritual really,, humans love ritual,,, its safe, its warm, its all those fun happy memories that you associate with smoking mj with all the many people,,,

... or loading up the bloodstream until some level of cannabinoids is reached which quenches the desire to smoke more?
And what is it then that triggers the feeling of satiation? It's not because one feels too high.

>depends on what your smoking for,,, if its medical relief you obviously smoke until your numb &/or your joints work for example and then you would feel pretty satisfied and probably stop,,, generally if possible ill toke and toke until my mind runs away with itself and the joint has gone out,, and thc actually causes some of the less desirable effects as well which may cause people to think they are satisfied with what they have smoked when it is the more undesirable chemicals in the mix that have made them want to smoke less,,

It's a very complex and important subject that is difficult to openly discuss intelligently between the judgement, denial, and demagoguery. Hopefully we can get there but I doubt it.

it cant just be the levels of cannabinoids that would quench the desire to smoke more imo,,, most people probably wouldnt be that satisfied at all if cannabinoids were simply injected into them,, but a heroin junky obviously doesnt care how those opiates get into his system,, and its probably the same for most of other drugs that have given real entheogens a bad name,,,

its the qualities of the whole experience that people are addicted to imo,,,,

the specific tastes that we love to inhale, the wonderful varied highs possible and various ways it improves peoples personalities and also just the smoking ritual,,

i'd argue that addiction is how many things manage to survive,, its just that when the same process occurs due to dangerous neurotoxins its obviously physically and mentally potentially disastrous,,,

 

[lost in a sea]

Ok, I see your point. At first glance I took it as an attack on MJ I knew first hand to be false, when you were merely looking for an argument to pose against the addiction hysteria. I should have read more thoroughly.

If it isn't a choice it is a disease or addiction with its ever so broad and evolving definition and this gets more $ from the insurance companies, medicare, and medicaid. It's the gravy train...the psychologist that sits in front of you in court mandated and government funded drug rehab that you can't leave until you lie to them and 'admit' you are addicted to weed makes a lot of money and benefits and counts as a 'job'...

Much more money in treatment vs. a cure. On zoloft etc...it is quite similar I agree. Antidepressants are huge dollars and depression has every symptom that everyone experiences at one time or another or even for extended periods of time in their lives. Antidepressants merely get you high and do not cure your depression they mask it and kill your fuckin dopamine in the long run hence the suicidal shit going on; they want you on 'their' drugs not 'yours'$ My brother took zoloft and xanax prescribed by a psychologist for years...had the suicide shit too.

Obesity isn't a choice and can't be fixed by diet and exercise right? It's a disease...humans aren't cognitive in their decision making right? With the admission of cognitive decision making comes the loss of a lot of $$$$

alot of good points in here man,,, sorry to hear about that with your brother,,, psychologists are dangers to society,,

"Much more money in treatment vs. a cure"

couldnt be more right but also more importantly imo alot more power,, as money in the future will be less relevent,,, obviously got you trapped for life if they just keep you alive but still sick, like shooting fish in a barrel,,,, life long courses of drugs "tailored" to the persons genetics that dont cure anything,,,

supplimenting chemicals in the body that certain glands or cell types secrete and are involved with the balance of will often cause them to become lazy and that system dependant on maintaining the foreign introduction of that chemical will eventually usually shut down,, and can then also cause a break down in all the various feedback systems associated with that gland or chemical pathway,,, when talking about prozacs and agents that effect brain chemistry the problems caused are more tragic,,

feckless doctors often wrongly diagnose people with diabetes when they havent eaten properly and get them taking insulin before they know it,,, which often ruins the pancreas's cells ability to function and makes you then become diabetic,,,

far too many idiots in white suits in this world cutting people up and administering drugs to others that they would never ever prescribe for themselves,, its barbaric and an institutional problem within science thesedays,,, people are treated like shit...

 

[TripleDraw27]

Is Cannabis addictive?

No, not to me personally and there was not the option of No, just a bunch tip toe'in.


Sadly, I need my cig. I dont need my joint.

Nobody here is going to flop, sweat and shit themselves if they dont smoke weed for a week. Can I say the same about a cig....sadly Id freak and probably shit myself. Answer NO, not in my case its not addictive imo


Now, is Mcdonalds CocaCola addicting, YES lol

 

[spiritual g]

physically no,mentally yes.Mentally we can get addicted to anything ,like picking your nose and biting your nails.

off topic ,but yeah sugar , crappy modern diet and wrong logic to eating is number one killer!doctors ,,,grrrrrrr,,,don't get me started on those inept morons.

peace

 

[BigDawg]

when I've quit cannabis for whatever reason, the first month I've experienced irritability, trouble sleeping, not enjoying music as much, can't tolerate boredom or sitting around much, not as hungry, and less creativity.

I wouldn't say its addicting at all though. If you like soft drinks but stopped drinking them, it would suck but it's not like you are going to be throwing up or having to go to the hospital over it. Same with cannabis. If you want to quit using for a specific reason it's pretty simple. If you are forced to quit then it's going to be harder mentally for you. Kind of like your parents grounding you when you were a kid. It just sucks.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

A person, who needs pot in time of worry, will suffice with a few beers.

Dead wrong.
The world is full of alcoholics who drink, simply so they won't go to prison for cannabis.

Your body produces natural cannabinoids that bind to the very same receptors in your brain that cannabis cannabinoids do. These cannabinoids regulate mood, anxiety, memory and a huge number of health related tasks.

We live in a polluted environment... both physically and mentally. Your ability to produce cannabinoids, in sufficient quantity to combat this environment is not up to the task. Today's modern human, in their 'modern' society, REQUIRES cannabis to function properly.

I'm addicted to the lack of anxiety that comes with using cannabis.
I'm addicted to the lack of physical discomfort I feel from the environment around me, that comes with using cannabis.
I'm addicted to the lack of nausea that comes with using cannabis.
I'm addicted to the lack of short term memory problems that comes with using cannabis.
(Strain choice can be extremely important)

I'm addicted to feeling normal. I'm NOT addicted to cannabis.

Stay Safe!

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I'm addicted to the lack of short term memory problems that comes with using cannabis.
(Strain choice can be extremely important)

I'm curious, which strains keep your short term memory sharp as a tack?

 

[jd4083]

I'm curious, which strains keep your short term memory sharp as a tack?

The answer is none. Some strains will allow you to have a bit LESS of an issue with memory, cognition, and information retention, but the fact is that given its nature and chemical structure, cannabis works against a habitual user in all of these areas. The physiological properties of the plant and the chemicals contained within do not change simply because some people believe it to be a miracle drug that can do no harm.

 

[Barn Owl]

Anyone who has had an opiate addiction would laugh at the question, but it is a good one.

It is a habit. The withdrawel is mostly in the head, but there is a definate irritability and it tends to make your dreams turn into cartoons if you stop for a bit. But that is nothing compared to a cold turkey opiate withdrawl.

But us cannabis addictive? What if you use it to replace a med? Are you dependent?

Yes, we are brought up to feel good all the time. We are pampered with technology and most of us on the Internet have more than the majority of people on the planet. Is cannabis really addictive or have people become so fragile that a simple withdrawal from MJ will ruin their life?

Nothing like giving up Xanax, Oxycontin, etc..

 

[Barn Owl]

I'm curious, which strains keep your short term memory sharp as a tack?

I can't remember if it was Cherry AK or Blackberry Kush that made my memory better...

 

[THC123]

Is there a physical dependence to MJ? Absolutely not.

indeed i quit about 10 days ago


the only thing that sucks is when i get back from work an am stressed out.
Weed gives instant relief


sober it takes-hours to calm down and relax from all the people nagging on the phone

 

[Friend]

It's definitely habit forming to some extent, otherwise smoking resin would be completely unheard of.