Phosphoload, Gravity, Bushmaster, Topload, and Flower Dragon Lab Test Results!

[Tropical Rain]

So what was the benefit of running these ?
Bushmaster is that shit fromm way back that was pulled right? Isn't that the stuff that sent yields through the roof? Stopped stretch at once and packed on the weight, yet the flowers had less trich production?

Gravity hasn't been pulled, cause I've seen some stock Im certain! (Old or new)

LOL side note lots of feelings in here!
TR

 

[w2008]

hi there, this is all new to me. in aust superbud can still be bought although under the counter, i have used this before, is it banned? not just taken off the market, cheers oz

 

[Tropical Rain]

ahhh thats what it was called superbud!

 

[Guest 18340]

I cleaned up this thread a little. Please lets try to stay on topic and keep things civil.

 

[Dkgrower]

Big up to Dizzelkush fore taking the time to post this important finds, they really back up what alot off us suspected, they are just money hungry pepol that sell what ever to make a buck, just like some growers.

I wish pepol will realize that growing cannabis is very simpel and that its all about the strain and enviroment and not so much the nutrients.

 

[weeddaddy50]

Excellent thread.......lots of good information here.

 

[Oisterboy]

edit: sorry, nvm.

 

[Hydrosun]

@SOFT420 but you do admit that both paclobutrazol and daminozide are not allowed to be used on any kind of consumable crops in the U.S., and if marijuana was a legal crop, applications of both daminozide and paclobutrazol would be illegal?

Can you help me out with the dangers of these products in cannabis. Specifically the dangers of using them in hydroponic nutrient solution.

How long do the elements remain dangerous once absorbed by the plant? What does the plant convert the paclobutrazol and daminozide to?

Thanks for the pdf's and discussion.

 

[Hydrosun]

... the people that make Flower Dragon should at least be honest enough to admit that Daminozide isn't absorbed by roots, so your plants only get a Paclobutrazol doze when you apply it to the medium.
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Again thanks for this information, but if Daminozide isn't taken in from the roots why whould Phospoload a hydro solution only additive use it? Also if it is not absorbed and flushed out 5 weeks before harvest how can it cause a problem for smokers of the flowers?

 

[huniebeez]

Again thanks for this information, but if Daminozide isn't taken in from the roots why whould Phospoload a hydro solution only additive use it? Also if it is not absorbed and flushed out 5 weeks before harvest how can it cause a problem for smokers of the flowers?

Daminozide is uptaken through the roots. Take for instance Topload that only contains Daminozide - Placebo or what? Some people have some strange opinions that lack the understanding that carrier agents can easily deliver Daminozide through the roots to the plant. Withholding period of Daminozide is far longer than from use to harvest. That simple!Elvme2 why censor???

 

[Hydrosun]

Daminozide is uptaken through the roots. Take for instance Topload that only contains Daminozide - Placebo or what? Some people have some strange opinions that lack the understanding that carrier agents can easily deliver Daminozide through the roots to the plant. Withholding period of Daminozide is far longer than from use to harvest. That simple!Elvme2 why censor???

Again I'd like to know the perceived and or proven dangers of daminozide and paclobutrazol as well as the method in which the dangerous elements interact with the plant. Specifics about dangerous levels and ways to test for remaining toxins would be very welcomed.

I really appreciate the help and want to understand how Phospoload operates.

 

[dizzlekush]

Some people have some strange opinions that lack the understanding that carrier agents can easily deliver Daminozide through the roots to the plant.

ouch hunie why u gotta be so sour? not all of us are chemists buddy. i would honestly like to hear about carrier agents for PGRs

 

[huniebeez]

Again I'd like to know the perceived and or proven dangers of daminozide and paclobutrazol as well as the method in which the dangerous elements interact with the plant. Specifics about dangerous levels and ways to test for remaining toxins would be very welcomed.

I really appreciate the help and want to understand how Phospoload operates.

Probably best that you read this http://www.integralhydro.com/flowerdragon.html and do further research.

Specifics about dangerous levels and ways to test for remaining toxins would be very welcomed. The EPA and others have done this with apples and other. Hence Daminozide being banned for use in all food crops. Paclobutrazol is an unknown quanity to some degree --- I.e. The EPA states there is no data meaning that there is an unknown quantity associated to the use of PBZ. I.e.

_II. Carcinogenicity Assessment for Lifetime Exposure

Substance Name — Paclobutrazol
CASRN — 76738-62-0

This substance/agent has not undergone a complete evaluation and determination under US EPA's IRIS program for evidence of human carcinogenic potential.

And

_I.B. Reference Concentration for Chronic Inhalation Exposure (RfC)

Substance Name — Paclobutrazol
CASRN — 76738-62-0
Not available at this time.

And:

__I.A.3. Uncertainty and Modifying Factors (Oral RfD)

UF — Based on a subchronic exposure study, an uncertainty factor of 1000 was used to account for inter- and intraspecies differences and for the insufficient duration of the study to fully assess chronic effects.

MF — None

Seems to me there is a heap of things they don't know and a few they do know.

The thing is with a lot of chems some were once deemed safe and used for years before problems arose and it became apparent that what was thought safe was actually unsafe for use (eg. Agent Orange, DDT etc). There has also been no combustion tests or withholding period tests re cannabis with PBZ so really what you have is one big unknown factor. http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0182.htm

 

[huniebeez]

What's amusing

What's amusing

It's sort of staggering how quiet these threads have gone (across numerous forums) now the facts have been irrefutably exposed. Hey "Vag Puncher" where are ya - looking for feed on how you are a "caregiver"??? (I find it worrying that a pseudonym like Vag Puncher so obviously sexist and masogynous (I.e. hatred of women) is allowed to be used on a public forum.

 

[dank.frank]

This is why I have been working on organic combinations for so many years. How many times I've been told there is no wayyyyyyy just adding water could best their complex web of bottled products across multiple brand labels with wild claims of grandeur....

What people forget is nature has and always will best man. A fully organic garden should be a no brainer.

Chemicals are for the GMO share croppers...not the counter culture.


dank.Frank

 

[Hydrosun]

It's sort of staggering how quiet these threads have gone (across numerous forums) now the facts have been irrefutably exposed. Hey "Vag Puncher" where are ya - looking for feed on how you are a "caregiver"??? (I find it worrying that a pseudonym like Vag Puncher so obviously sexist and masogynous (I.e. hatred of women) is allowed to be used on a public forum.

While the post above your post was informative, your posts have unfortunately not shed any light on the ACTUAL or PERCEIVED dangers.

From what I have read, there have not been tests or enough tests for FDA / EPA approval. The lack of tests or approvals in no way deters me BECAUSE the US Govt and FDA lie all the fucking time.

Cannabis is not approved by the FDA and the US Govt tries all the time to lie to the populace and disparage cannabis.

I don't want to be using harmful products HOWEVER the lack of US Govt or ANY SCIENTIFIC studies showing harm makes me question all the fear mongering that is going on in this thread.

Again if there is a study about these products and the ACTUAL harm observed I'd like to know about it.

 

[Green Supreme]

Some folks will put on the blinders to anything. Peace GS

 

[YosemiteSam]

While the post above your post was informative, your posts have unfortunately not shed any light on the ACTUAL or PERCEIVED dangers.

From what I have read, there have not been tests or enough tests for FDA / EPA approval. The lack of tests or approvals in no way deters me BECAUSE the US Govt and FDA lie all the fucking time.

Cannabis is not approved by the FDA and the US Govt tries all the time to lie to the populace and disparage cannabis.

I don't want to be using harmful products HOWEVER the lack of US Govt or ANY SCIENTIFIC studies showing harm makes me question all the fear mongering that is going on in this thread.

Again if there is a study about these products and the ACTUAL harm observed I'd like to know about it.

You have a point.

However, I choose to look at the situation from a different perspective. We have 10,000 yrs or so of experience of humans consuming mj with no harm shown and plenty of testimonial evidence that it actually helps in some cases. 10,000 yrs of positive experience makes me certain the govt is lying in this case. I feel pretty safe ignoring their warnings.

However, there is very little time spent with these particular products. Maybe the govt does not know shit about them or if they will actually hurt anyone. But neither do we.

I am not willing to take that risk on myself or my customers. Is the risk really worth a few extra dollars to you? If it is would you pass that info on to your customers and let them make the decision for themselves? What do you think they would say?

 

[supermanlives]

no thanks i aint a lab rat. smoke it all you want . it wont ever be in my garden again .

 

[dank.frank]

You have a point.

However, I choose to look at the situation from a different perspective. ...pass that info on to your customers and let them make the decision for themselves? What do you think they would say?

EXACTLY. Lest we fall victim to industry...another ideological and for many spiritual venture ruined by shoddy capitalists squeezing that extra penny.



dank.Frank