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Mottled / Streaky Leaf Discolouration

Raedwulf

Member
Can anyone help with identification / advice for a problem I have with one of four plants - all from the same pack of feminised seeds. As you can see from the photo below, this plant has developed a mottled / streaky leaf discolouration. None of the other three appear affected - as yet.
I fear it may be a virus - mosaic or streak - but I have included as much information as I can think of (clutching at straws?) in the hopes it could be something else.



Strain - 'The Church' (GHS).
Hand-watered Coco.
From seed.
Age of plant - 24 days.
In Veg - 14 days.
Medium - Canna Coco Professional plus.
Pot size - 2.5 litre.
Potted-on 12 days ago.
Nutrients: Canna Coco A + B (12.5ml of each), and Rhizotonic (10ml) to 5 litres of water - doseages according to a schedule created on the Canna web site.
Fed once a day to run-off.
TDS/EC/PPM - Unknown. (I don't have and can't afford an EC/PPM meter).
Tap water (pH 7.5 > 8) *see water company's dec below.
Before adding nutrients the pH 8 is adjusted to pH 6.5 with dilute Phosphoric acid.
After adding nutrients, the mix stays about pH 6.5 - it is further adjusted down to pH 6.0 before use.
Tested using 'Growth Technology' pH indicator kit.
Light intensity - 200w 6400K 100% PAR Horticultural CFL (Branded: 'plug and grow').
Distance to the canopy - 7 inches (18cm).
Temps at canopy: 29 > 30°C
Temps at root zone or reservoir: 22 > 25°C
Night temps: 22°C Min > 24°C Max.
Current air flow (with carbon filter): 140 m3/hour.
Is there air blowing directly onto plant - No.
Using CO2 - No.
Relative humidity: 35 > 50%
Growing technique: simple pruning of early suckers only.
Pruning is yet to take place (plant too young).
Pests: Have checked all over (and under) the leaves with a 30x loupe - none found. Also, no sign of gnat larvae etc in medium.
For the sake of completeness, here is my water company's declaration:
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Source of water before treatment:
Your water comes from both the River Itchen and underground sources in the chalk at Otterbourne.
Average hardness of source:
CaCO3 274
Ca mg/l 109.6
...
MEAN AVE. TEST RESULTS
Water conductivity: 565 μs/cm (tds).
pH: 7.4
sodium: 11 mg/l
Nitrate (NO3): 28.52 mg/l
---

Readwulf
 
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Looking at it closely my instinct says the RH is too low, my brain says that plant is in a dry spot, windy or hotter.The shape is healthy and the plant probably is too.I like to veg at around 80%RH but I have my own problems too!! Just keep growing it and if it still freaks out, chuck it, it's easy to chuck seedlings that are weaker than the rest, or more sensitive to the spot etc.:)
 

CannabisFox

Member
you should adjust the ph only after putting nuts in
be sure that the coco mix is dried out(not completly though) before watering again. maybe every day is too often
what is the ph of your run off?

otherwise the post above is helpfull. although it dont looks like a typical "too dry enviroment"
 

Raedwulf

Member
BTW: Here is a group shot of all four plants. The one with the leaf discolouration is at the front on the left.

 
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Hydro-Soil

Active member
Veteran
Can we get a closeup, of the plant in question, please?

Can't really tell from that distance.

Thanks!

Stay Safe! :D
 

Raedwulf

Member
Can we get a closeup, of the plant in question, please?

Can't really tell from that distance.

Thanks!

Stay Safe! :D

Yes, sorry dude, there was a picture but the link got fouled up. I have taken a couple of fresh pictures (up close and personal) of the plant today:

 

RipVanWeed

Member
I think that looks like damage from Thrips.

Check the underside of the leaves, thrips are quick to move, small slivers of green. Sometimes you'll find the molted exoskeletons attatched under there, they look like "ghost thrips".

If it is thrips, then spray with Spinosad. 3 times, 4 days apart.

Otherwise, your plants look really healthy to me.

Disclaimer: I'm no expert. Just my 2c

Respect,
 

Hydro-Soil

Active member
Veteran
(Edit: "Sort of") looks like insect damage.

What preventions do you have in place? I'm guessing none since that's what most growers start with.

Make sure you use an aerosol to catch all the flying boogers. Once that's done you'll need to start preventative measures. RVW's idea with spinosad is safe since you're in veg.

Azamax/Azatrol systemically at 1ml/gallon will keep boogers away. I use it every 2 months in veg and ALWAYS on the first day of flower.

Stay Safe! :D
 
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Forest20

ICmag's Official Black Guy
Veteran
I have had a few plants do this as well.. From my experience they will go out of it... I would wait a little longer then up-pot by you already did so...
 

Hydro-Soil

Active member
Veteran
It looks like some houseplants I've seen.

The twisting of the new growth should go away when you drop the pH.... that is really weird though and on closer inspection... doesn't look like insect damage.

Did something happen to the roots of this one? Pour something in it the others didn't get? Something on the inside of that pot?

Hope Forest20 is right but would still like to know the cause.

Stay Safe!
 

Raedwulf

Member
The twisting of the new growth should go away when you drop the pH.... that is really weird though and on closer inspection... doesn't look like insect damage.

Before taking the pictures earlier, I again carefully checked the plant all over for the little sods (thrips) but found no signs of them - although I think I'll get something appropriate to shoot down any winged nasties and add some spinosad to my armoury to be on the safe side :)

I agree that I need to get the pH of the nutes solution down a tad more and will be doing that from now onwards.

Did something happen to the roots of this one? Pour something in it the others didn't get? Something on the inside of that pot?

That's a good shout. Now I think about it, when repotting this one, the root-ball was a little loose and there may have been some tearing of the roots. Apart from that thay have all been treated exactly the same way.

Anyway, I'm going to check out the root zone carefully for wildlife etc when I pot them on. I'll update this thread when done.

Thanks everyone for your input, it's much appreciated.
 
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Raedwulf

Member
Update

Update

Hi all :wave:
For those of you that may be curious as to the outcome on this one, here's a pic I took today. She is currently at her 28th day of flowering.
She still has the odd twisty leaf but otherwise she is going strong.



I have been watching the pH like a hawk (always 5.6>5.9) - runoff pH likewise (5.7>5.9).
By the way, as my tap is pH 8.0>8.5 I have followed Canna's advice to pH down to 6.5 before adding nutrients to prevent minerals falling out of solution. Then I carefully adjust down to about 5.7.

Thanks, again, everyone for your help and support on this.
 

noreason

Natural born Grower
ICMag Donor
Veteran

I had a plant with the same signs, disappeared after a month and no more signs till the chop.

Before to put in flower the mom I took a cut and place it in a bubbler.After a couple of weeks the new growths were discolored as the mom was.

This make me think it's a sort of genetic error, maybe in the chlorophyll formation genes or something.....however I could be wrong.

btw....that plant was very poor yelder and no to so good to smoke...

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:wave:
 
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