trying to set up my next grow help

[Maina]

Hey guys Im trying to set up my next grow.And I cant make up my mind at all.THis is what I have one big room 12x24x8 to work with.I also have 8 1000 watts to work with.also 4 blowers a 1200cfm 1100 cfm 1000 cfm 750 cfm I would also like to run flip flops and the room can be split up easy.and I can not have more than 60 plants inflower and not more than 100 plants total.So veg will be around 2 months in 10/15 gallon smart pots.All organic.HELP

 

[Maina]

aahhhhhh come on please

 

[Marlo]

Sounds like you have the space and equipment to set up a kick ass grow. Possibly a stadium with some not so small plants.
I have no experience with anything this size, so I'll just hang around til someone more qualified chimes in....

Good Luck

 

[Grizz]

myself i would do vertical scroggs marlo style, i have run a stadium for the past 3 yrs and they are also very good but with that size room and the lights you have the vert scrogg i like better,

 

[Maina]

I was kinda thinking 4x4x8 or 5x5x8 vert scrog with stacked 1000 12 plants each veg 2 months then flower.
should the stacked lights flip flop or stay running I dont want to mess up yeald.
I was thinking 4 pods also as a flip flop 2 pods on 2 pods of.
15 gallon smart pots on the floor 10 gallon on the shelf.
I was thinking becouse the pots are big loke 12 wide I could go with the 5x5x8 and plant the planton the outer edge of the pot and face it to the light so its realy a 4x4x8 room with a 12 inch pot.What the pros think mega and others come on please

 

[Choc]

This is going to take some getting your head round but this is 100% how i would run this area....

If your grow space is 24ft x 12ft wide i would make a small wall down the middle so you now have 2 x 6ft rooms that are 24ft long.... Stop the wall at 15ft out and put another wall across the front of the 2 rooms with a door into each room...

So you now have 2 rooms at 6ft x 15ft and this will leave you with an area of 9ft x 12ft...

in the 6ft x 15ft you will have a 3 tiers each side in a stadium setup each level will have 5 plants on it so 6 tiers is 30 plants... replicate this in both areas thats 60 plants that can be run in a flip flop fashion...

in the 9ft x 12ft you can keep 30 plants vegging up and training and 10 plants for mums ect... keeping your total number of plants under 100... 30 vegging 60 flowering at different times so your totally perpetual....

as for the light situation the only way you would get away with having 4 x 1000w in each room and be totally efficient is to run the bulb in a horizontal position in a cool tube with no reflector 4ft from the bottom of the room hung in a ling so its blasting light 360 deg round and also acting as a coolant for them 1000w being so close to the canopy...

if you would like me to go in to more detail i can but this is off the top of my head with what area you have what light you have and how many plants you can roll with...

 

[Grizz]

This is going to take some getting your head round but this is 100% how i would run this area....

If your grow space is 24ft x 12ft wide i would make a small wall down the middle so you now have 2 x 6ft rooms that are 24ft long.... Stop the wall at 15ft out and put another wall across the front of the 2 rooms with a door into each room...

So you now have 2 rooms at 6ft x 15ft and this will leave you with an area of 9ft x 12ft...

in the 6ft x 15ft you will have a 3 tiers each side in a stadium setup each level will have 5 plants on it so 6 tiers is 30 plants... replicate this in both areas thats 60 plants that can be run in a flip flop fashion...

in the 9ft x 12ft you can keep 30 plants vegging up and training and 10 plants for mums ect... keeping your total number of plants under 100... 30 vegging 60 flowering at different times so your totally perpetual....

as for the light situation the only way you would get away with having 4 x 1000w in each room and be totally efficient is to run the bulb in a horizontal position in a cool tube with no reflector 4ft from the bottom of the room hung in a ling so its blasting light 360 deg round and also acting as a coolant for them 1000w being so close to the canopy...

if you would like me to go in to more detail i can but this is off the top of my head with what area you have what light you have and how many plants you can roll with...

if your looking for production and want to do it right the way choc described will kick ass and the flip flop makes perfect sinse, no better way to utilize space than a stadium.

 

[Maina]

Ok guys more input I do like that one but would like some more input.Thanks for the help.I will be puting the new room up first week of DEC. so thank you .I realy only want to do this room 1 time and stay with it.

 

[Maina]

This is going to take some getting your head round but this is 100% how i would run this area....

If your grow space is 24ft x 12ft wide i would make a small wall down the middle so you now have 2 x 6ft rooms that are 24ft long.... Stop the wall at 15ft out and put another wall across the front of the 2 rooms with a door into each room...

So you now have 2 rooms at 6ft x 15ft and this will leave you with an area of 9ft x 12ft...

in the 6ft x 15ft you will have a 3 tiers each side in a stadium setup each level will have 5 plants on it so 6 tiers is 30 plants... replicate this in both areas thats 60 plants that can be run in a flip flop fashion...

in the 9ft x 12ft you can keep 30 plants vegging up and training and 10 plants for mums ect... keeping your total number of plants under 100... 30 vegging 60 flowering at different times so your totally perpetual....

as for the light situation the only way you would get away with having 4 x 1000w in each room and be totally efficient is to run the bulb in a horizontal position in a cool tube with no reflector 4ft from the bottom of the room hung in a ling so its blasting light 360 deg round and also acting as a coolant for them 1000w being so close to the canopy...

if you would like me to go in to more detail i can but this is off the top of my head with what area you have what light you have and how many plants you can roll with...

now with the 6x8x15 room are the shelves flat on the wall?like 15 gallon smart pots on the floor 10 on first shelf and 5 gallon on third shelf? it would leav me a path down the middle to water thats what 20 inches wide?

 

[Choc]

Hey Maina whats up dude

ok lets clarifie things this way you have 30 flowering plants and 4000w of light at 2 grams per watt that would be 8000 grams... 8000 divided by 30 = 266 grams divided by 28 grams = 9.5 oz per plant... now dont start jumping for joy just yet its a long road but what my point is you dont need 10 and 15 Gallon pots for this grow.... 5 Gallon 22 litres is massive i grow 10oz trees in 15L Airpots.... admittedly totally different growing style and method but you get my point... "i hope"

i would aim at 1 Gram per Watt and as your experience grows with the area you are growing in and the particular plant you are using this will go up...

In an ideal world i would make racks like Bobblepods elongated into Long racks... but the amount of bud you are trying to achieve on each plant i think they need a little depth behind them... you only need a 1ft walkway to get in and service the plants this leaves you 2.5ft either side... 2.5ft x 12inches is 30 inches divide that by 3 and thats 10 inches per plant.... a 5 gallon smart pot is 12 inch wide so you can either squash them longer so they fit in the 10 inch gap "still 5 Gallons of dirt no matter what the shape is"

Or you make the 3 levels 12 inches, the top one you keep as 12 the second one down you keep at 12 inches wide but sit it 2 inches back so its under the top shelf... do the same for the bottom shelf... this wont affect the plant as the stem is 6 inches from the front of the pot and with the training you are going to to you shouldn't have any stems at the back anyway...

with the amount of veg time you can give these girls i would pot up from Cut to 1 Gallon... 2 weeks later 3 Gallon... 2 weeks later into the 5 Gallon.... its going to be all about the training... pulling them back branches round the side making the plants nice and wide but thin if that makes sense????

What joesy whales said about the Marlo Vert scrogg screens could work out well you could have individual screens 36 inches wide by 32 inches tall 30... 15 of these would cover one whole wall 8ft x 15ft... Edit to say the screens would have tp start level with the bottom of the pot but once in the flowing room stems can be trained into each other screen if need be and the bottom pots will have to have stems trained down....

Thoughts?

 

[megayields]

I agree with Josey Whales cuz I dont wanna get shot..lol...no really Vert scrog is what i do and flip - flop it. Just my two cents do whatever floats your boat but with that kinda lumens you should kill it!

 

[Maina]

ok i think I got it,now how high of the floor or ceiling is the bulb ?so they wont be stacked? just 4 lights in a roow ?I starting to get it air flow? in my mind its hard to see 1 bulb doing the work 0f 8 feet high am i lost on this sorrry

 

[Choc]

im in a bit of a rush as im going out tonight but you hang the bulb 4ft from the floor so its 4ft from the roof too.... you can hang them vert but then you got to cool them and thats going to be a mission in your small space and you cant tell me a single vert bulb can cover as much area up and down as one hung horizontal with no shade, now if you could have a second set of bulbs we would be cooking lol... chat more later dude

 

[Maina]

thanks yea I realy would like to run a flip flop 1 bulb at 3 feet and 6 feet yea the heat sucks Im running 6000 watts and keeping it cool sucks ass.day temps 70 night 79 not bad but what im doing to pull it of is nuts.Would I be killing yeald by going stacked flip or stacked staying on?

 

[Maina]

well things may have changed a little.12x7x8 flower room and a 17x12x8 flower room, veg will be diff place maybe. more info to come .8000 watts on a flip flop 16 bulbs

 

[Grizz]

I always hang my lights so there adjustable, lower them down when there small and adjust up as they grow, for vert scrogg i think this is manditory. In a stadium it all depends on your shelf hights, i always try to keep the bulb as close to center of the bulb in relation to the plants so your getting as much direct strong light from the sides of the bulbs, if you have the bulbs up high your defeating the purpose of going vertical. the 12 x 7 flower room would be perfect for a stadium, 3 shelf rows on each side 4 lights, the other flower room is a up to you deal, vert scrogg doughnuts, vert tree's, i think my self i would do choc,s idea of two stadiums flip flopped and keep your veg and clone area there, granted a stadiums can be alot of work if you plan on a harvest every two months, lots of clones to root and veg.

 

[ShroomDr]

split the room, and flip flop them.

grow vertical trees/bushes trellised with bamboo stakes and zipties.

If youve got spare head room, i recommend plumbing everything together.

Here is what im doing in a 5x10 tent.









This is all the same plant, just wanted to illistrate my training.

Stripped of her fans...


O what i would do with more space....

 

[Maina]

split the room, and flip flop them.

grow vertical trees/bushes trellised with bamboo stakes and zipties.

If youve got spare head room, i recommend plumbing everything together.

Here is what im doing in a 5x10 tent.









This is all the same plant, just wanted to illistrate my training.

Stripped of her fans...


O what i would do with more space....

how yaaa like the cool tubs

 

[Maina]

It looks like I will have the plants veged and mothers and clones some place other.And go with two flower rooms vert 12x7x8
8 ballast on flip flops 16 HPS bulbs up to 66 plants.
Now if I have 4000 cfm air pulling out of that room and dumping it outside would I still need DEH.?

 

[Choc]

DEH? as in dehumidifier? dont know what your local R/H is but im going to say yes regardless as late in flower when the lights go out you are going to have high humidity issues which will lead to PM, Mold and in the end BUDROT..... Also 4000CFM may just about cool one of them rooms but what about the other and you are going to need fans bringing fresh air in imo.... this could be quite some room