Occupy Wall Street: Not on major media but worth watching!

[DiscoBiscuit]

I'm not anti-regulation nor a proponent of complete LF economics. Capitalism dictates competition. Sometimes governments must intervene to keep competition going (ie. busting up monopolies).

I reckon busting up the Federal Reserve monopoly would be a good start to returning to some semblance of capitalism.

Good to know, I'll stop referencing LF.

I understand that regulation can be a double edge sword. Bad regulations such as Ethanol mandates should be reconsidered.

I'm not a fan of the federal reserve but I get the impression we'd face some the same economic consequences Woodrow Wilson's economy faced w/o the fed.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

If you can call America fascist, I can call the most deregulated and income disparate period in American history "as close to laissez faire as we've been in a long time."

I would call government assistance for the poor socialism. I would call government assistance for rich corporations corporatism. IMO, the only one-word name that fits our system of government is hybrid. IMO, fascism isn't a piece in our hybrid puzzle. But that's just me.

Considering the fact that 50 million Americans need a full-time job, I'm a little surprised we don't have more on food stamps. Considering all the children that don't work, looks like millions are struggling to make it w/o assistance or the benefit of full time employment.

Not Fascist? Are you kidding? Have you been reading the ridiculous amount of civil rights violations going on at a federal level. Have you read the multiple Bills that are trying to be passed that are limiting the first amendment on a global scale. Were you around when the government assassinated an american citizen that got no trial.

There is eight federal police forces that are all happy to kick in your door, drag your family out of the house in the middle of the night, and kill your dog even if it is a 35 pound corgi. Then hold you with out charges all over cannabis possession.

Then there is the patriot act, and it's later extension of power.

The country needs to Speak up now or forever hold our tongues do to fear of death.

 

[Headbandf1]

Someone very very creepy attempted to distribute these to a not-receptive audience of Occupy Oakland protesters yesterday: "YOU hold the cock of the Empire in your supple hands!"

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Not Fascist? Are you kidding? Have you been reading the ridiculous amount of civil rights violations going on at a federal level. Have you read the multiple Bills that are trying to be passed that are limiting the first amendment on a global scale. Were you around when the government assassinated an american citizen that got no trial.

There is eight federal police forces that are all happy to kick in your door, drag your family out of the house in the middle of the night, and kill your dog even if it is a 35 pound corgi. Then hold you with out charges all over cannabis possession.

Then there is the patriot act, and it's later extension of power.

The country needs to Speak up now or forever hold our tongues do to fear of death.

No, I'm not kidding. At the same time I don't take the word personal, it's no big deal. IMO, it's just a catch-pejorative that doesn't really apply. It just fits what folks think isn't right in the business/government handshake. I too agree it's whacked but IMO isn't fascism.

The way I understand it, global first-amendment restrictions appear to address crime. I hate like hell weed's a crime but it is what it is. I'm not as much a government cheerleader as I recognize that some people's idea of freedom causes problems for others.

The American citizen moved to a foreign country, renounced his citizenship and fomented terror against Americans at home. Criminals get rights, hearings, trials and judge/jury verdicts if and when they surrender or are captured w/o incident.

But I agree with and admire your position that our rights are being trampled. IMO, it's just a sign that more and more people are doing things that disenfranchised enough folks to demand action. IMO, the folks we vote into office don't always perform the correct actions.

The only force to kick in my door would most likely be due to growing weed. It's a shame but half the country still thinks it shouldn't be legalized. Rather than hate the government and call em fascist, I just recognize the societal differences.

If and when the urban dictionary accepts the modern definition of 'fascism' as 'anything one considers whacked', I'm down. I'll use the word myself, it has a nice ring. Instead of saying, "Man, that's gay as hell", I'll say, "That's fuckin fascist."

 

[trichrider]

No, I'm not kidding. At the same time I don't take the word personal, it's no big deal. IMO, it's just a catch-pejorative that doesn't really apply. It just fits what folks think isn't right in the business/government handshake. I too agree it's whacked but IMO isn't fascism.

The way I understand it, global first-amendment restrictions appear to address crime. I hate like hell weed's a crime but it is what it is. I'm not as much a government cheerleader as I recognize that some people's idea of freedom causes problems for others.

The American citizen moved to a foreign country, renounced his citizenship and fomented terror against Americans at home. Criminals get rights, hearings, trials and judge/jury verdicts if and when they surrender or are captured w/o incident.

But I agree with and admire your position that our rights are being trampled. IMO, it's just a sign that more and more people are doing things that disenfranchised enough folks to demand action. IMO, the folks we vote into office don't always perform the correct actions.

The only force to kick in my door would most likely be due to growing weed. It's a shame but half the country still thinks it shouldn't be legalized. Rather than hate the government and call em fascist, I just recognize the societal differences.

If and when the urban dictionary accepts the modern definition of 'fascism' as 'anything one considers whacked', I'm down. I'll use the word myself, it has a nice ring. Instead of saying, "Man, that's gay as hell", I'll say, "That's fuckin fascist."

put a smile on that shit and call it whacked!
you don't get out much do you?
corporations run this government, government subsudizes corporations. deny that.
i do not pretend to understand economics enough to argue QE from fuck you too, but i see a militarized police state bent on delivering us our freedoms...with a ribbon.
pull this apart and ctiticize each sentence, but you're not denying that freedoms are at risk...well maybe not yours...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

put a smile on that shit and call it whacked!
you don't get out much do you?

corporations run this government, government subsudizes corporations. deny that.

I agree with both of those points. Sorry to moot your opening.

i do not pretend to understand economics enough to argue QE from fuck you too, but i see a militarized police state bent on delivering us our freedoms...with a ribbon.
pull this apart and ctiticize each sentence, but you're not denying that freedoms are at risk...well maybe not yours...

I know what I posted. It's still there. IMO, your conclusions based on my post aren't justified. In fact, I acknowledged our rights are being "trampled".

Other than some basics, I don't pretend to understand economics either. I see what you see and more.

I also see a military/security industrial complex bent on profit. They lobby government just like all other capitalist interests and they're very good at it.

I won't criticize each sentence but I might consider each point, especially if I disagree. And no, I don't deny our rights are threatened. However, I see many aspects you either ignore or deny existence of.

Our rights are just as threatened by (in some cases) an ignorant public. Tough on crime laws are grass roots legislation that overburdens our prisons and revenues. We vote for legislators w/o recognizing or even ignoring their past fuck ups.

Special interests like the NRA decry responsible gun regulation to the point we have too many being made and too many going to the wrong people.

Charlton Heston dared Al Gore to pull a quaint hunting rifle out of his ass. Heston should have gone to the gun show and donned an AK47, M60 on a tripod and a rocket launcher. Then he'd look like the clown he was.

It's easy to look at the surface of problems and declare, "It's all government's fault". But 235 years after you found your own country, a vocal minority of your citizens will condemn you for usurping their rights, without looking at the reasons that beget your decisions.

 

[Miss Blunted]

I'm not anti-regulation nor a proponent of complete LF economics. Capitalism dictates competition. Sometimes governments must intervene to keep competition going (ie. busting up monopolies).

I reckon busting up the Federal Reserve monopoly would be a good start to returning to some semblance of capitalism.

I love your level-headed approach to shit, Gramps. You're one of my favorites here. Couldn't give you more rep....

 

[Dudesome]

I'm polar opposite. IMO what we commonly refer to as "capitalism" in the US is actually fascism.

Laissez Fairre implies no government intervention. With governments constantly intervening to prop up markets today I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion. We are a full blown command economy IMO.

you tell em, Gramps!

 

[Dudesome]

It's easy to look at the surface of problems and declare, "It's all government's fault". But 235 years after you found your own country, a vocal minority of your citizens will condemn you for usurping their rights, without looking at the reasons that beget your decisions.

ever since JpMorgan saved US from a default in 1905 the government that you say ruled 235 took its last breath.

 

[Dudesome]

Disco, are You defending or denying the fact that our economy today sucks because of too many regulations?

 

[Dudesome]

I'm not anti-regulation nor a proponent of complete LF economics. Capitalism dictates competition. Sometimes governments must intervene to keep competition going (ie. busting up monopolies).

I reckon busting up the Federal Reserve monopoly would be a good start to returning to some semblance of capitalism.

The funny thing is:

Nobody really needs to bust shit.
The market will do everything itself.

If there is any Nature in the way people treat eachother, it's the Free Market. Eventually it will win. There is no doubt about that.

The coolest thing about Freemarket is the all balancing mechanism it provides to any system. It creates and it destroys.
Free market isn't just an economical state. It's something that no government will take from any human being ever. Why else do black markets prosper in times of regulations?

As for markets busting this economy along with fed. Just watch the price of gold. It's a very trustful indicator, in that sense, if you know how to apply.

Wow this Blue Widow is some shit...
(also from a black market)

 

[mrcreosote]

I WANTZ 99 CHEEZBURGERS

 

[Headbandf1]

Oakland is going to go OFF TODAY!

 

[Headbandf1]

Rich Get Richer of the Day: According to a Roll Call analysis of Congress members’ financial disclosure forms, the collective net worth of American lawmakers jumped 25 percent to over $2 billion in just the last two years — with 50 of the richest Congressmen and women accounting for 90 percent of the increase.

In 2008, the minimum net worth of House Members was just over $1 billion. In 2010, it rose to $1.26 billion. Senators experienced a more modest increase during this same time period, going from $651 million in 2008 to $784 million last year.

Roll Call notes that the real net worth of individual members is likely higher, since their estimates do not take into account non-income-generating properties such as private homes. Also, members are only required to disclose the minimum value of their assets — meaning, the actual value “may be much higher.”

Among other interesting facts: Senate Democrats are significantly wealthier than their Republican counterparts, while the opposite holds true in the House. Additionally, 78 percent of Congress’s total net worth is concentrated among 50 of its richest Members.

Don’t weep for the less-fortunate Members just yet: At least 196 House and Senate members are millionaires.

Any way you slice it, the average Congress Member is a serious chunk of change richer than the average citizen of the country he or she was elected to run: Congress’s median net worth last year was $513,000, which the median net worth among American households was around $100,000 — a number which, according to the Federal Reserve Board, has dropped by $20,000 since 2008.

 

[InJoy]

The funny thing is:

Nobody really needs to bust shit.
The market will do everything itself.

If there is any Nature in the way people treat eachother, it's the Free Market. Eventually it will win. There is no doubt about that.

The coolest thing about Freemarket is the all balancing mechanism it provides to any system. It creates and it destroys.
Free market isn't just an economical state. It's something that no government will take from any human being ever. Why else do black markets prosper in times of regulations?

As for markets busting this economy along with fed. Just watch the price of gold. It's a very trustful indicator, in that sense, if you know how to apply.

Wow this Blue Widow is some shit...
(also from a black market)

The Market The Market

 

[krunchbubble]

Oakland is already turning into a pre war zone......

6th street closed off with shittons of paddi wagons and the ghetto choppers up above....

trivia - who donated Alameda county's(Oakland's) helicopter? MC Hammer!

 

[krunchbubble]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/san-fra...ut-down-oakland-174638851.html?bouchon=807,ca

Hundreds of people gathered near Oakland City Hall on Wednesday to join in a general strike against the city. Protesters from the Occupy Oakland movement want to shut down the city's businesses in response to economic inequality and to the violent crackdown on protesters who had set up camp nearby.

During a rally, speakers reported that the Port of Oakland was closed, but other reports say the port was only slowed, rather than shut down. Several dozen workers did not show up for work. ILWU representatives say they are not sanctioning a strike. Occupy members say they plan to blockade the port at the start of the night shift, at 7 p.m.

Normally bustling on a weekday, downtown Oakland seemed more quiet than usual, with only scattered businesses open.

The frenetic scene at 14th and Broadway, the hub of the Occupy Oakland movement, was a mix of causes, tents, public services, spiritual practices, and food suppliers, including a tortilla maker with "Day of the Dead Occupy Oakland Nov. 2" printed on its product.

Activist and author Angela Davis galvanized the crowd in her talk, saying, "The eyes of the world are on our city. There are now Occupy movements in Asia and South America and Europe. The 99 percent are rising all over the planet."

"B" from the Occupy Los Angeles movement came to support the Oakland group equipped with a gas mask. "I'm prepared for what already has happened," he says. He added their L.A. group has a "great relationship with police." "They ask us how can we help you?"

Robert Dees, a U.S. Army medic from Oakland, came to help out first aid needs. "I've been having my own issues with disability." He felt great sympathy for Scott Olsen, the Iraq war veteran seriously injured in the violent police sweep. "He was just standing there with a bible in one hand and a flag in the other."

Protesters marched to bank branches on 12th Street and Broadway. The branches were already closed before they arrived. A report from the The Daily Californian says hundreds of students are marching down Telegraph to join the protests.

About 360 Oakland teachers didn't show up for work, or roughly 18 percent of the district's 2,000 teachers, said Oakland Unified School District spokesman Troy Flint to the AP.

Rallies and marches will continue throughout the day. Here is the general schedule:

Noon: Rally and march on banks. City Center.

2 p.m.: Rally and march on capitalism. Telegraph and Broadway.

5 p.m.: Rally and march on banks. City Center.

Photo captions: Scenes from the Occupy Oakland movement. (Sherbeam Wright for Yahoo! Local)

 

[dagnabit]

2 p.m.: Rally and march on capitalism. Telegraph and Broadway.

how do you "march on capitalism."

and what do they want to replace it with?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

No, I'm not kidding. At the same time I don't take the word personal, it's no big deal. IMO, it's just a catch-pejorative that doesn't really apply. It just fits what folks think isn't right in the business/government handshake. I too agree it's whacked but IMO isn't fascism.

The way I understand it, global first-amendment restrictions appear to address crime. I hate like hell weed's a crime but it is what it is. I'm not as much a government cheerleader as I recognize that some people's idea of freedom causes problems for others.

The American citizen moved to a foreign country, renounced his citizenship and fomented terror against Americans at home. Criminals get rights, hearings, trials and judge/jury verdicts if and when they surrender or are captured w/o incident.

But I agree with and admire your position that our rights are being trampled. IMO, it's just a sign that more and more people are doing things that disenfranchised enough folks to demand action. IMO, the folks we vote into office don't always perform the correct actions.

The only force to kick in my door would most likely be due to growing weed. It's a shame but half the country still thinks it shouldn't be legalized. Rather than hate the government and call em fascist, I just recognize the societal differences.

If and when the urban dictionary accepts the modern definition of 'fascism' as 'anything one considers whacked', I'm down. I'll use the word myself, it has a nice ring. Instead of saying, "Man, that's gay as hell", I'll say, "That's fuckin fascist."

This is a very respectful level headed response. they are required to balance out more extreme positions like mine. I like to use the word before they start the genocide and you remind everyone that they are not building gas chambers yet.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

how do you "march on capitalism."

and what do they want to replace it with?

Capitalism is the answer, not the problem. Corporatism is the problem.