Tea Article

[Microbeman]

I eat spinach before I handle my tool.

Don't handle your tool too much Von

 

[mad librettist]

Don't handle your tool too much Von

yeah dude. it's not sterile.

 

[vonforne]

yeah dude. it's not sterile.

it is after I wash it with Borax!

V

 

[rrog]

Do you find that excessively bleaches color out? Like a pale tool.

 

[Dawn Patrol]

I am familiar with potassium permanganate, but only in aquatic applications, mostly as a binder and chelater to pull particulate matter out of the water column. It's a lovely shade of purple, isn't it? In fact, it's my favorite purple stain!

I learned the most about these things while working at a large public aquarium in southern California.

Aquaculture is where I learned about PP and all of it's applications - it IS the loveliest shade of purple next to weed that I know of
and that is the key to it's application. It takes time to be effective and when it has been expended, it changes to a brown color so you can visually tell if it is spent.

 

[elmanito]

I believe the salmonella in the spinach came from processing and packaging (washing), not through roots. Where are you picking up this shit? Root hairs are not drinking straws. If you went to those same fields in 2006, picked some spinach, took it home, washed it, cooked it and ate it, you would be just fine. If you ate the spinach that went through the packaging plant, you got sick.

The obvious solution to the 2006 spinach catastrophe is to grow food like it comes from nature once again. Local, seasonal, fresh food farmed sustainably is the answer. The problem is the factory farming model.

to protect yourself from salmonella all you need to do is wash things and not eat contaminated food. Dettol is of no help here, nor is bleach.


Boric acid - especially effective antifungal, so if you have ringworm it's great to add to the laundry machine.

No, the spinach was contaminated on the fields and inside the leaves, not on the outside of the leaves, that was the problem.Wassing didn't help a damn thing.The water which was used by the farmers was contaminated by a ranch nearby of those fields.

BTW you don't use Dettol on your food, it's only for topical purposes to clean area's like the bathroom, kitchen etc, but it is not for washing your food.The Dettol sold here doesn't contain pine oil, only the chlorine compound.

Namaste

 

[h.h.]

Can I use it in my tea? Will it work to clean my compost? Get all that nasty brown stuff off of it.
I was using wash water on a pine tree. Turned it a shade of blue. Will this work on my plants as well? How about the purple stuff?
Tea...

 

[elmanito]

Informative doc about compost tea from Australia

http://www.recycledorganics.com/publications/reports/composttea/composttea.pdf

Namaste

 

[mad librettist]

No, the spinach was contaminated on the fields and inside the leaves, not on the outside of the leaves, that was the problem.Wassing didn't help a damn thing.The water which was used by the farmers was contaminated by a ranch nearby of those fields.

BTW you don't use Dettol on your food, it's only for topical purposes to clean area's like the bathroom, kitchen etc, but it is not for washing your food.The Dettol sold here doesn't contain pine oil, only the chlorine compound.

Namaste

No sir you are misinformed. Here is a CDC FAQ about the incident. You can read for youself that the outbreak was limitec to a single processor. Otyer processors using the same spinach had no issues.

http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2006/september/qa.htm

You almost had me there. I almost considered the possibility that spinach can ingest bacteria via roots and have them show up in the leaves. There is a barrier to cross you seem to be forgetting completely. Your story should have made no sense to you, which should have resulted in research to explain this fantastic development in science.

 

[rrog]

Gotta love data

 

[greenmatter]

No sir you are misinformed. Here is a CDC FAQ about the incident. You can read for youself that the outbreak was limitec to a single processor. Otyer processors using the same spinach had no issues.

http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2006/september/qa.htm

You almost had me there. I almost considered the possibility that spinach can ingest bacteria via roots and have them show up in the leaves. There is a barrier to cross you seem to be forgetting completely. Your story should have made no sense to you, which should have resulted in research to explain this fantastic development in science.

good link mad! but there is one piece of information that i think should be in there ...... where did the salmonella come from in the first place? my guess would be that there is a chicken rancher someplace with a whole bunch or infected stock, but if the CDC mentioned that folks might start looking at our food supply a little harder. gee..... that could be bad ..... people thinking and stuff. where could that lead? i am sure that yet again they have our best interests in mind

 

[mad librettist]

good link mad! but there is one piece of information that i think should be in there ...... where did the salmonella come from in the first place? my guess would be that there is a chicken rancher someplace with a whole bunch or infected stock, but if the CDC mentioned that folks might start looking at our food supply a little harder. gee..... that could be bad ..... people thinking and stuff. where could that lead? i am sure that yet again they have our best interests in mind

. E coli is everywhere dirt is. Absent human intervention like careless use of antibiotics, this arrangement is fine for everyone. Mild strains dominate and the system is healthy.

In this case, the processor gave e coli a special place to grow uninhibited, then spread it to the spinach.

The original contaminant came from the field, but improper handling caused the disaster. So we have a more virulent strain, plus conditions perfect for culturing it. To make a perfect storm, the produce was marketed to consumers likely to eat it raw or wilted

 

[mad librettist]

. E coli is everywhere dirt is. Absent human intervention like careless use of antibiotics, this arrangement is fine for everyone. Mild strains dominate and the system is healthy.

In this case, the processor gave e coli a special place to grow uninhibited, then spread it to the spinach.

The original contaminant came from the field, but improper handling caused the disaster. So we have a more virulent strain, plus conditions perfect for culturing it. To make a perfect storm, the produce was marketed to consumers likely to eat it raw or wilted

And btw, bacteria did make it into the leaf after the roots were removed. Ergo the popular misconception regarding how it got there.

Once it is cut, a leaf can soak up bacteria, food coloring, or just about anything.

 

[h.h.]

My understanding is that if the e-coli is allowed to prosper under acidic conditions, acid tolerant strains will dominate causing problems in our acid dependent digestive systems. We don't digest them and they thrive.

 

[greenmatter]

. E coli is everywhere dirt is. Absent human intervention like careless use of antibiotics, this arrangement is fine for everyone. Mild strains dominate and the system is healthy.

In this case, the processor gave e coli a special place to grow uninhibited, then spread it to the spinach.

The original contaminant came from the field, but improper handling caused the disaster. So we have a more virulent strain, plus conditions perfect for culturing it. To make a perfect storm, the produce was marketed to consumers likely to eat it raw or wilted

absolutely 110% with you on the E coli thing, but now other stuff is showing up in the food.
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2011/10/spinach-recall-in-california-due-to-salmonella/

my fear is stories like this will make some lobbyist come up with the argument that organic is bad because it can spread disease .... i know that sounds stupid, but i could see it happening. we are talking about government after all

 

[rrog]

There is no question Monsanto is plotting. The organic movement is not good for their business. So untold millions of dollars could become available to lobby (also known as bribe) Congress.

 

[mad librettist]

absolutely 110% with you on the E coli thing, but now other stuff is showing up in the food.
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2011/10/spinach-recall-in-california-due-to-salmonella/

my fear is stories like this will make some lobbyist come up with the argument that organic is bad because it can spread disease .... i know that sounds stupid, but i could see it happening. we are talking about government after all

this is already going on.

fortunately the science is pretty well unanimous - factory farming/processing are the problems, not the existence of soil microbes

 

[Rusty420]

the future looks bleak, save IBL vegetable seed now...
www.realseeds.co.uk
http://www.seedsavers.org/Content.aspx?src=buyonline.htm

 

[rrog]

...fortunately the science is pretty well unanimous

You mean the scientific community isn't divided? That would be a relief, as they'd have to be vocal against Monsanto.

 

[mad librettist]

You mean the scientific community isn't divided? That would be a relief, as they'd have to be vocal against Monsanto.

there are no credible scientists out there claiming antibiotic overuse is not a problem...

there is only the argument for profits