protect us from who or what? surely you don't mean the aliens
Everything they taught you to fear...
Occupy Wall Street: Not on major media but worth watching!
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Everything they taught you to fear...
is this a silly idea? but what if protesters organize for real, gather serious capital, register a corporation and a political party, and well, you get the idea.
or are their dollars compromised for starbucks coffee?
nah, seriously...
wanna help society? do real work, not just write witty posters.
use your rights, that is, why don't they do some lobbying of their own? etc...
how many millions could they raise if they were really commited?
or are their dollars compromised for starbucks coffee?
nah, seriously...
wanna help society? do real work, not just write witty posters.
use your rights, that is, why don't they do some lobbying of their own? etc...
how many millions could they raise if they were really commited?
is this a silly idea? but what if protesters organize for real, gather serious capital, register a corporation and a political party, and well, you get the idea.
or are their dollars compromised for starbucks coffee?
nah, seriously...
wanna help society? do real work, not just write witty posters.
use your rights, that is, why don't they do some lobbying of their own? etc...
how many millions could they raise if they were really commited?
No it's not a silly idea.
They have general assembly daily, it's taking time but that's where it's headed.
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draco
lobbying? what?
money=votes dude, and THEY have all the money.
i'm afraid you do not understand the depth of the problem...
Guys, seriously read into Gandhi. As long as you are supporting the system, there is no way you are going to beat it.
By incorporating OWS you will not get there...
for this idea to work you will need 2 things that are absent:
-Big Bucks
-An idea(or a direction if you like)
Today each and every individual will do MUCH more harm to this system if EACH one starts taking care of his OWN wealth and capital.
In reality, this would mean that each single individual would care less about stability of this system, thus letting it fall. Because with real capital you do not need to rely on
the system.
Thus you can avoid giving shit about the system and let it collapse. Nobody needs to be doing shit against it. It's eating itself.
By incorporating OWS you will not get there...
for this idea to work you will need 2 things that are absent:
-Big Bucks
-An idea(or a direction if you like)
Today each and every individual will do MUCH more harm to this system if EACH one starts taking care of his OWN wealth and capital.
In reality, this would mean that each single individual would care less about stability of this system, thus letting it fall. Because with real capital you do not need to rely on
the system.
Thus you can avoid giving shit about the system and let it collapse. Nobody needs to be doing shit against it. It's eating itself.
that sounds better than incorporating for sure.
in my personal experience, I have never ever placed money into the system, in fact, I rode the system in a way, since I studied through scholarships, so never payed.
although I'm still a wage-slave, and I do not even work in an area that relates to my formal education; as it is, there's really no employment in my "formal" area.
but another thing that can be done by raising funds by the ows crowd, is rather than register a corp or political group, is to buy workable lands throughout the country, produce food and other goods such as wood or any other type of construction material that is renewable; and support society (read, not the system but the people itself) through these efforts; by providing extremely competitive prices, etc...
thoughts?
uh oh, and I have another question, specially for Spastic and the whole fiat-money crowd:
how much real money does the so-called 1% really have if the whole fiat-money issue is taken into consideration?
what's the difference between their dollars and the so-called 99% dollars?
how much real money does the so-called 1% really have if the whole fiat-money issue is taken into consideration?
what's the difference between their dollars and the so-called 99% dollars?
Sounds like an idea to me...
It's not the only one brewing either, only fools would assume different.
As with history, the countdown clock is running.
If the 1% doens't figure it out and relent, then talking it out that fails always morphs to fighting it out. I think the uber wealthy better take heed, and realize their days are numbered. When the freshly home Vet come back to this crap and are disillusioned, and professionally trained and combat ready --- local police forces don't stand a pussies chance.
remember the French revolution was over Bread. and our former revolution was the masses did want to pay England for the military protection of the colonies. Our current circumstance is far worse than then, current event are impacting citizens rights and law of hierarchical needs(Maslow).
I personally am ready for the mass culling.
If the 1% doens't figure it out and relent, then talking it out that fails always morphs to fighting it out. I think the uber wealthy better take heed, and realize their days are numbered. When the freshly home Vet come back to this crap and are disillusioned, and professionally trained and combat ready --- local police forces don't stand a pussies chance.
remember the French revolution was over Bread. and our former revolution was the masses did want to pay England for the military protection of the colonies. Our current circumstance is far worse than then, current event are impacting citizens rights and law of hierarchical needs(Maslow).
I personally am ready for the mass culling.
this is the kind of mentality that will fuck up any good chances of positive changes forever.
reeks of chavizmo 100%
to quote someone else in the thread
eat shit
i think more Jeffersonian, Franklin esqe, or even Washingtonian!
chavizmo! you must be one of the foreign americans? as in you and your family know nothing of americas history. Me ---I had 4 relatives with my same sir name fight in the american revolution and every major military encagement since., and I'm not blind to History.
chavizmo! you must be one of the foreign americans? as in you and your family know nothing of americas history. Me ---I had 4 relatives with my same sir name fight in the american revolution and every major military encagement since., and I'm not blind to History.
"But fear no more! I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo."
—(The Two Towers: "The Window on the West")
—(The Two Towers: "The Window on the West")
If this can be done profitably, what makes you think that big money wouldnt step in and buy any viable land to put you out of business?
You have this notion that producing something of value is all that is needed to make a profit. This is simply not the case. You have to be able to do it better , more efficiently and cheaper than anyone else to even have a prayer of survival.
Furthermore, in order to obtain permits, land, distribution, and other such necesities, you would need to grease the appropriate scum bags.
It seems taht you think u r somehow detached from teh system, but you are not.
Do yourself a favor, and try to start ANY business that turns a profit. And then once you 've done that, see fi you still have the same beliefs as to what can be done.
absolutely so! Land is a great capital!
As for wood and construction materials, I wouldn't actually be thinking about buying those just yet. The poblem is that we are headed into deflation and the prices for those are falling atm.
Also I am somewhat convinced that prices for copper/lead/wood etc will be falling throughout the whole collapse, because there will be no production, thus no demand.
Ideally you will want to think about food/land/food production/ammunition/fresh water supply and pm.
Ok here is a hard fact:
10% of people on this earth own 90% of wealth. other 90 percent only hold 10% of wealth.
they call it the 90/10 rule after robert kiyosaki first introduced it in 2003.
the number may actually be even worse today... maybe something like 93/7 rule...
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guest456mpy
You are quite naive.
I watched what happened in the 60's in Chicago with the Weathermen SDS and Yippies.
The CIA had people planted in their organizations way before the organizations grew to the size of OWS. CIA instigators were involved in the Democratic Convention riots in '68. The leaders were quickly rounded up and prosecuted. The Chicago Seven. The "System" is not stupid and way more treacherous than you can imagine. Their resources are deeper than they let on.
OWS has good intentions but I do not see any violent approach having any success.
Same plant, different era - Im all for going back to the 30's,40's,50's - with all that that implies. Or even further - take this rancid population occupying this great land and reset it back to the 1800, if i survived I'd be Cool, I live in a house and on land my family has had since 1892. I'd just break out the old hand pump for the well.
less personal attacks and more substance to your posts for next time...
obviously, your post is thought-out with the same mind-set of the problem the so-called ows crowd is trying to fight off.
people have rights, whether you agree or not; and they can support an informal economy with different conceptions of "profit".
just re-read Dudesome's hinting at Gandhi.
if you want to stop supporting the system to let it fall, obviously, you cannot do it by thinking of 'profits'. the land and valuables would be to support the fall of the system, not to make a business out of it.
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