What's new

600 Vert: Ak-47 in coco coir

Dudesome

Active member
Veteran
wtf does Beyond organic mean??? :D like super organic? or more like, so synthetic it ll make u forget about organic?
 
B

B. Self Reliant

2 questions:

is it the liquid silicon?

is it organic?

There are a few forms of it that I saw at my local hydro store. It's basically sand. The liquid looks like water with a slight haze to it. As far as organic goes, I can't speak for that. It's not really a nutrient that the plant uses constantly (as I understand it anyways, could be wrong as I'm just learning), but more along the lines of something the plant uptakes and keeps within it's cell walls. Once it's there it's there, whereas something like N, P or K might be taken up, but then it's used up & gone within days.

I've always been a little unclear as to the definition of organic. . .
 

Dudesome

Active member
Veteran
There are a few forms of it that I saw at my local hydro store. It's basically sand. The liquid looks like water with a slight haze to it. As far as organic goes, I can't speak for that. It's not really a nutrient that the plant uses constantly (as I understand it anyways, could be wrong as I'm just learning), but more along the lines of something the plant uptakes and keeps within it's cell walls. Once it's there it's there, whereas something like N, P or K might be taken up, but then it's used up & gone within days.

I've always been a little unclear as to the definition of organic. . .

well practically anything with carbon in it should be organic. Yet you say that it's not a nutrient, but something else and this confuses me. How does ur water ph react to it?
 
B

B. Self Reliant

I say that because I've never seen it silica on a list of macro or micro nutrients. It seems to be unique in that sense. It's uptaken but not really "used" as much as stored.

Your water's Ph will go up drastically due to the K in it. Come to think of it, there is some K in there, and it's probably not organic. . . .
 

Dudesome

Active member
Veteran
I say that because I've never seen it silica on a list of macro or micro nutrients. It seems to be unique in that sense. It's uptaken but not really "used" as much as stored.

Your water's Ph will go up drastically due to the K in it. Come to think of it, there is some K in there, and it's probably not organic. . . .

yup. I doubt that it is. sad
 
B

B. Self Reliant

Diatomaceous Earth? Isn't that an organic source of silica? I can't remember where, but I know I read somewhere around here that DE is an organic source of it. Probably CC's original thread. I've ran organic soilless before and I still do outside, but I don't know a thing about DE. . .
 

Ichabod Crane

Well-known member
Veteran
If you want DE use this.
picture.php

It is fossilize diatoms. I mix it in to my soil and top dress my soil and coco with it. Do a search for NAPA 8822 and you should get some good info on it. It cost me less than $7 for a 25 pound bag. I'm pretty sure it is organic as it is just crushed up stone.
 

oxnard_confi

New member
For all of the folks that have been following B. Self for the past few months watching his Ak-47 grow from seed to harvest, Id like to take a moment of your time to comment on the finished product.

Firstly, I have known B for quite a while, having the distinct honor of growing with him for several years in So-Cal. His dedication to the art of growing dank buds is motivational, constantly keeping me humbled with his vast knowledge base. I have yet to receive any advice from B that hasn't DRASTICALLY changed my grow. I would not even be growing if it wasn't for this guy. PUBLIC GALACTIC THANKS BRO!

Now on to the AK...
This bud ranks in the top 3 buds I have ever smoked in my lifetime (25 years strong). I am confident saying that I have smoked 200 different strains from Mexican swag to the finest Confidential ever grown and this Ak was INCREDIBLE. I wouldn't even know where to begin. It has a light burn to it (later discussed) that delivers a VERY potent "buzzy" high. I would associate it with how you feel after you take those first full deep breaths at the dentist office after he slips that mask over your face. Great head high that lasts for a long time. Made me want to go out and enjoy anything that involved being outside. Light smoke that was easy on the lungs after a massive bong rip. Required very little to get really high. The burn was like nothing I have ever experienced. Ever. If all of my bud turned out like this I would smoke nothing but joints for the rest of my life. After a quick run through a grinder the bud came out so fluffy and perfect it screamed blunt. Me and FOUR of my buddies had a hard time finishing one blunt. I called B to find out what he did to make such a drastic change to the finished product from what I have become so accustomed to. His reply, silica. Now, I have what I consider to be a pretty good grip on growing myself and feel very comfortable with nutrients and exactly how they work. I had no clue what silica was or how it worked. After B broke it down for me, I was not only once again humbled, but amazed that this guy continues to take things to new levels. I will be using silica myself in the coming months to see what it can do for my strains.

B.Self is the man. Listen to him and your grows will improve every harvest.

P.S. Make the opportunity to read his thread on how to make pure amber. Your life will improve because of it. TRUST ME, I've smoked it.
 

jd4083

Active member
Veteran
If you want DE use this.
picture.php

It is fossilize diatoms. I mix it in to my soil and top dress my soil and coco with it. Do a search for NAPA 8822 and you should get some good info on it. It cost me less than $7 for a 25 pound bag. I'm pretty sure it is organic as it is just crushed up stone.

Adding to this point as a casual observer, as I have never tried using this instead of actual calmag, but the Family Dollar chain of stores (may be local to my area, but I can't imagine the other Dollar Store chains don't have something similar) has the small bags of "Dry-Rite" ice melt for $2 and big bags for $3.50 iirc...ingredients, magnesium chloride, calcium chloride. just a thought for anybody in the southeast US, surely cheaper than anything you'll find at NAPA, seeing as how they charge me 8 fucking dollars for a box of 5 fuses. :laughing:

To B. - awesome fucking thread my man, keep up the good work. Sorry if you covered this already, but is the AK you're running from a recent batch or an older one? I can't get ahold of the AK cuts I used to be able to get anymore and I would love to run a 600-1200w vert AK monocrop since everybody loves the stuff out here...but don't want to get bunk, watered-down bullshit... any thoughts?
 

jd4083

Active member
Veteran
The NAPA is used for the DE (Diatomaceous Earth) not for the CalMag.

hm, thought I read somebody asking if it could be used for calmag, must have been another thread, not this one. Like I said, casual observer here, no idea if that helps anyone at all either way. :laughing:
 

megayields

Grower of Connoisseur herb's.
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Alright B how much did you pay that guy to pimp u up! LOL, j/k ...

Love this thread, going to run Serious's AK-47 after seeing AeroGurilla's awesome outdoor run with it!

Keep it dank bro!Q
 

Bennyweed1

Active member
Veteran
Hey bro I just want to say I really dig your journal, been lurking for a hot minute. I wish and hope I can remove 20zips using a 600w bulb. You opened my eyes to what can be done when maximizing efficiency.

A few pages back I read you talking about Silica. Mix Diatomaceous earth in with your soil.

"The typical chemical composition of oven dried diatomaceous earth is 80 to 90% silica, with 2 to 4% alumina (attributed mostly to clay minerals) and 0.5 to 2% iron oxide" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth)
 

Latest posts

Latest posts

Top