Breeding Auto's...

[Green Sky]

Is it a good idea to breed the "early- outdoor" ( papaya, swiss cheese, "early - fill in the blank" ) strains with Auto's,,, or is it a waste of time/ redundant?

Should I/ we be looking to cross more linear/ particular characteristics with Auto's to get those traits?

I have a great purp kush that I would love to make Auto... but I fear a lack of space and time to even try to keep males around, much less keeping multiple moms/ surrogates.

what to do?

* I am new at this

 

[Green Sky]

Sorry, I am VERY new at this.

I have a dimmable 400 hps+ mh conversion in a converted 30" x 36" x 50" cabinet.
6 - 3 gallon square food buckets fit fine at 18" from lights

I germinate/ veg in my ( indoor) closet w/ 6 - 26w cool CFL's for 3 weeks usually.
In Spring I veg for 5 weeks to harden them for the awesome 44* lat weather at 1500' ft in the mts. I am LUCKY to put them in BEFORE June 1st...
* BTW don't plant in the river valleys. Floods and latent cooler humidity are a nightmare.

Everything is hand watered- I use the 3 part Jungle Juice and amended soil:

1% -Crushed egg shells
1% -bone meal
1% -raw fireplace ash
1% - dolomitic lime
40%- Potting soil
55%- 10 year old compost: 60% horse manure / 40% leaf mulch - hardwood only
*1%- worms

No Pics yet- too paranoid. Just getting seeds lately has been nerve wracking.

Am entering the Beer Cup challenge vicariously!

please learn me !

 

[WelderDan]

If you don't have the space and time for males you aren't going to be successful.

Without getting into the whole auto debate, breeding for any trait requires numbers, the more the better.

Without digging up the Punnet square, off the top of my head you'd have 25% of the first auto/whatever cross turn out auto. But that's just the auto trait. Of that 25% only a few may have any of the other characteristics you want.

It would take several successive generations of selection to achieve an auto with the other characteristics you want.

What I'm saying is it's a numbers game. The more you can grow out, the better selections you have to work with, but you still need to understand how traits are passed on.

Start here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punnett_square

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendelian_inheritance

There are better references, but this will give you a basic idea of how traits are inherited

 

[Green Sky]

Thank you WD,

I have read up some, and I feel your gentle persuasion.

Yes, I knew it was a bigger can of worms, just wasn't sure if the Auto's were "genetically skewed" , or even able to successively breed certain traits in their short lifespan.

Should I just get Ruderalis material, and slowly breed? Is it possible to get male Ruderalis stock?

Yes, it is all or nothing to achieve homozygous and recessive traits. Selection of the best needs numbers I see.

I hoped I could find a short- cut..

 

[señorsloth]

any breeding with auto's is pointless, those genetics are feral trash and have no place in the world of growing. show me any auto and i'll grow a real plant the same size but way more potent, and way better tasting. there is no need for an auto plant indoors and they would be semi usefull outdoors except that almost all auto's are only available in fems so the cost to run decent numbers is just not worth it since you can't clone them. 150 bucks for 5 stumpy garbage tasting plants 2 months later your done, you got an ounce of below average weed even by street standards and nothing else?

naaaa for the same price i could order almost any other strain, clone the hell out of it, keep it for years...do whatever i want with it. along with making some incredibly potent and strong tasting pot(with a much better yeild!),and the option to try out one of the legends like blueberry, white widow, bubblegum...

there is just no excuse for auto's they are ruining the genepool of quality genetics

 

[WelderDan]

No short cuts here. The auto trait is just another trait. You might get lucky and find something like you want in that first 25%, but you'd still have to breed successive generations for all the traits you want. I've read that you can clone autos if you take a cut early, root it, take a cut from that cut, etc., but that seems like it defeats the whole purpose of an auto. Might as well just use a regular mom and go from rooted cut straight to flower.

 

[canned abyss1]

Is it a good idea to breed the "early- outdoor" ( papaya, swiss cheese, "early - fill in the blank" ) strains with Auto's,,, or is it a waste of time/ redundant?

Should I/ we be looking to cross more linear/ particular characteristics with Auto's to get those traits?

I have a great purp kush that I would love to make Auto... but I fear a lack of space and time to even try to keep males around, much less keeping multiple moms/ surrogates.

what to do?

* I am new at this

You should find the info that you are looking for here
https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65606

 

[Krull]

Is it a good idea to breed the "early- outdoor" ( papaya, swiss cheese, "early - fill in the blank" ) strains with Auto's,,, or is it a waste of time/ redundant?

Should I/ we be looking to cross more linear/ particular characteristics with Auto's to get those traits?

I have a great purp kush that I would love to make Auto... but I fear a lack of space and time to even try to keep males around, much less keeping multiple moms/ surrogates.

what to do?

* I am new at this

Locking down the auto trait to breed a brand new auto strain is a long road. Check the AF forum for infos.
Crossing an early strain with a full auto will give you very early F1 though, thats a common practice for northern growers.

Peace

=K

 

[SGS]

Without digging up the Punnet square, off the top of my head you'd have 25% of the first auto/whatever cross turn out auto. But that's just the auto trait. Of that 25% only a few may have any of the other characteristics you want.

Sorry not correct...

There is more misinformation about AFs then there is TRUTH!

When you make a NON AF x AF cross you will get F1s 99.9% of them will be NON-AF! You wont see any True AF traits until the F2 inbred generation, as the AF traits are 100% recessive! You will find some semi AF traits, like short critical photo period ( flowers with less then 12 hours of dark), early flowering outdoors, and faster ripening times.


You have a long road ahead to make a new AF Hybrid, if it was easy we would have many more available today. It takes a lot of test corsses and so on to find viable strains to continue to work. Your best bet at a good new AF Hybrid is to find the best AF parent to make the new AF, stability is key.

Check the AF Forums here at IC.

Then we have this guy......

any breeding with auto's is pointless, those genetics are feral trash and have no place in the world of growing. show me any auto and i'll grow a real plant the same size but way more potent, and way better tasting. there is no need for an auto plant indoors and they would be semi usefull outdoors except that almost all auto's are only available in fems so the cost to run decent numbers is just not worth it since you can't clone them. 150 bucks for 5 stumpy garbage tasting plants 2 months later your done, you got an ounce of below average weed even by street standards and nothing else?

there is just no excuse for auto's they are ruining the genepool of quality genetics

Was waiting for the ignorance to enter this thread....

LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look around buddy before you try to speak TRUTH. MOST AFs are in REG form and some are in FEM, check your seedbanks dude. Im sure you are speaking from your VERY limited if at all experience of AFs. You have no clue what you are saying is false, I love how you try to preach it as TRUTH. WAKE up dude and stop hating. You probably grew out an AF crop ,, tried to grow them like NON-AFs and fucked them up and now BLAME the genetics and not your own lack of skills.

Preservation of the NON-AF Gene-pool is a very strong concern for me, preservation is a big part of AF breeding, so you have nothing to say. And if you think about it,, it could be said that YOUR genetic material is corrupting OUR gene-pool.

Get informed dude before you talk shit and make yourself look like a fool.

SGS

 

[roach]

Dont mind señorsloth he´s not a grower himself but rather someone who pretends to be, and all he does is spread lies and hatred, so just ignore him and any advice he gives

 

[WelderDan]

Sorry not correct...

There is more misinformation about AFs then there is TRUTH!

When you make a NON AF x AF cross you will get F1s 99.9% of them will be NON-AF! You wont see any True AF traits until the F2 inbred generation, as the AF traits are 100% recessive! You will find some semi AF traits, like short critical photo period ( flowers with less then 12 hours of dark), early flowering outdoors, and faster ripening times.


You have a long road ahead to make a new AF Hybrid, if it was easy we would have many more available today. It takes a lot of test corsses and so on to find viable strains to continue to work. Your best bet at a good new AF Hybrid is to find the best AF parent to make the new AF, stability is key.

Check the AF Forums here at IC.

Then we have this guy......



Was waiting for the ignorance to enter this thread....

LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look around buddy before you try to speak TRUTH. MOST AFs are in REG form and some are in FEM, check your seedbanks dude. Im sure you are speaking from your VERY limited if at all experience of AFs. You have no clue what you are saying is false, I love how you try to preach it as TRUTH. WAKE up dude and stop hating. You probably grew out an AF crop ,, tried to grow them like NON-AFs and fucked them up and now BLAME the genetics and not your own lack of skills.

Preservation of the NON-AF Gene-pool is a very strong concern for me, preservation is a big part of AF breeding, so you have nothing to say. And if you think about it,, it could be said that YOUR genetic material is corrupting OUR gene-pool.

Get informed dude before you talk shit and make yourself look like a fool.

SGS

There is a reason I prefaced that statement with "off the top of my head"

Excuuuuuuuse me for forgetting the auto trait is recessive and doesn't express until subsequent generations. The main jist of my post was that it requires a lot of work. It seems you ignored the entirety of my post and focused on that one statement.

Chill out bro

 

[SGS]

There is a reason I prefaced that statement with "off the top of my head"

Excuuuuuuuse me for forgetting the auto trait is recessive and doesn't express until subsequent generations. The main jist of my post was that it requires a lot of work. It seems you ignored the entirety of my post and focused on that one statement.

Chill out bro

Im chill bro meant nothing to you, was just setting the info straight bro to help out the main topic.

I think you got the rest of the post directed at that other guy,, it wasn't towards you bro! Thanks for the quick reply to help the topic!

SGS