... Amazing how poor dis rich fo being rich
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Occupy Wall Street: Not on major media but worth watching!
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Aka, you don't have an argument and this is your best attempt.
I'm not so sure about that. The last time we faced severe economic hardship (1930's) the country moved decisively to a more statist centrally planned state.
When times have gotten tough we've been conditioned to run to big brother to save us despite the fact that big brother (statism) is causing all the problems.
Another random comment:
Its funny when people make a big deal about a some OWS kids getting financial assistance from their parents (as is typical outside of the working class).
Compare that to a bunch of Tea Party astroturf organizations suckling from the teat of the Coke brothers, etc.
Put that shit in perspective.
Its funny when people make a big deal about a some OWS kids getting financial assistance from their parents (as is typical outside of the working class).
Compare that to a bunch of Tea Party astroturf organizations suckling from the teat of the Coke brothers, etc.
Put that shit in perspective.
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Contradictions are everywhere, people only tend to see that which they disagree with.
So no, it's not funny, it's just the view from the other side, no different from Oprah or Soros...but that's OK.
So no, it's not funny, it's just the view from the other side, no different from Oprah or Soros...but that's OK.
Big Brother is causing a problem everytime the Big Puppeteer pulls the strings, corporate bribe money.
The vibe I get isn't that people want central planning. The system is broken, the process to fix it is broken, they've personally reached the breaking point and just want things to function.
Well, I'm a libertarian, but to most people nowadays a libertarian is just a republican who really really really hates taxes. That's not me, I came to libertarian thinking from a philosophical view. The problem with idealogies is people fall into absolutist thinking.
Absolutism is always false whether it be libertarian or socialist or anything else. Pragmatism is the path.
From that I realize there are certain things that do belong in the government domain.
Lets say I get in a bad car wreck. The 911 call center is in the government domain, and the police and firetruck coming are too, but the ambulance that comes to get me is in the private domain, and only paying the paramedics $10-12/hr and giving them subpar equipment so the middleman can take his profit.
So I think the ambulance coming to get me should be in the government domain just like the firetruck coming to put out my fire is. I see little benefit of the forces of market competition in this ambulance example, it is only causing race to the bottom as higher-quality service providers with higher overhead and lower margins are forced out by parasitic middlemen with the audacity to halfass it with people's lives.
So yeah, just like firefighting, there are certain things that should be left to the state.
Also as a libertarian how can we go forward into the future without addressing the poisoning of the populace, groundwater, food supply, oceans, etc etc.
Libertarians like to hate on the EPA but freedom for a corporation to release toxics is an oppression on the people it affects, so who's freedom are they really worried about. The freedom to breath air and drink water are so intrinsic Thomas Jefferson didn't have to list them as these truths self-evident. Also there is that Constitution where it says "provide for the general welfare"!
I vote Libertarian on judge elections, but I am very sad that the Libertarian Party cannot pull its head out of its ass and become a modern party that can seriously confront modern problems.
Yes our Big Brother is really Big Corporations. When times are tough we run to the government which is controlled by the banking cartel. Similar to Stockholm Syndrome IMO.
I also consider myself a progressive libertarian. Governments are important and several functions do belong in the government domain. Nothing belongs in a government domain when the government is bought and paid for BankofAmericaMerrilLynchCountrywide, Government Sachs, and JPMorganChaseFRBNY.
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I came across a couple of good video's on youtube.
I dont like posting links but if anyone is interested
Youtube keywords "Part 1 of 2 - The Evolution of Consciousness - Die Evolution des Bewusstseins 2010 - 2012 "
If you watch them, watch both part 1 and 2. It's funny how this video was posted in 2011 but perfectly describes what we are going thru now in government and occupy wall street.
I dont like posting links but if anyone is interested
Youtube keywords "Part 1 of 2 - The Evolution of Consciousness - Die Evolution des Bewusstseins 2010 - 2012 "
If you watch them, watch both part 1 and 2. It's funny how this video was posted in 2011 but perfectly describes what we are going thru now in government and occupy wall street.
Lol. The top could buy Jupiter and stick it in their jewelry box. The richest 400 Americans own more wealth than the bottom 150 million... and growing.
a rich troll would have a point
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Well, I'm all about the companies working for the workers not the board or share holders. You work for a company you should have say in the direction of the thing. Democracy and all that.
This idea that one person should be able to set up a company and after building it up just tear it down and collect is nuts imo. Not the way to run a fair, functional economy especially a capitalist one. Course many capitalists don't dig on fair so idk what to tell those.
When do the people matter in all our coddling of business? We should have much higher standards for our business entities in this country and around the world. It is not enough that some people in all their education, greatness, and rich upbringing end up using their gifts to suck the blood of society. I'd say those people are the real leeches or vampires of a healthy culture.
What do they give back? To society/workers/environment.
This idea that one person should be able to set up a company and after building it up just tear it down and collect is nuts imo. Not the way to run a fair, functional economy especially a capitalist one. Course many capitalists don't dig on fair so idk what to tell those.
When do the people matter in all our coddling of business? We should have much higher standards for our business entities in this country and around the world. It is not enough that some people in all their education, greatness, and rich upbringing end up using their gifts to suck the blood of society. I'd say those people are the real leeches or vampires of a healthy culture.
What do they give back? To society/workers/environment.
OAklands Occupy is going off - tear gas, riot gear, crazy!
hmmm. how about that keyboard you used to type all that?
....or.... how about that box of yours called home?
enjoying that chair, aren't you? 
rootfingers
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They should be made to have allegiance.
Also, dag, you keep trying to glom on to the ows movement as some sort of tea party spinoff.
I think you are right in some cases. You have low info voters upset about constantly raising health care costs, increasingly volatile work situations, and tanking retirement funds that were tied to the Great Market all the while they are on the hook for getting the Wall St. crowd out of hot water. Many didn't realize the true nature of the tea party and voted for them anyway. Now they see that the tea party was all bullshit and OWS is the real deal so they are learning about the real problems and renouncing their tea party past. Good thing too, tea party doesn't deserve to be but a small blip in the history of things.
Also, dag, you keep trying to glom on to the ows movement as some sort of tea party spinoff.
I think you are right in some cases. You have low info voters upset about constantly raising health care costs, increasingly volatile work situations, and tanking retirement funds that were tied to the Great Market all the while they are on the hook for getting the Wall St. crowd out of hot water. Many didn't realize the true nature of the tea party and voted for them anyway. Now they see that the tea party was all bullshit and OWS is the real deal so they are learning about the real problems and renouncing their tea party past. Good thing too, tea party doesn't deserve to be but a small blip in the history of things.
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