THIS IS WHAT A BONG LEAVES IN YOUR LUNGS!!!!

[Sneeuw]

Moral of story, dont smoke bong, bad for you and also taste is bad, and as mentioned just plain sucks, joint or blunts IMO

Have a good weekend....

 

[Zen Master]

if your bong hits taste bad sneeuw you might wanna consider cleaning it.

I dont get why anyone uses old dirty ashy bongwater, is it really that difficult to put a water bottle amount in fresh each time you smoke? at least change it out at the end of the day.

try blowing out your joint/blunt hit through the paper towel, probably even grosser than the bonghit

 

[dramamine]

alright everyone you win. Smoking bong hits will have no negative impact on your lungs. Anyone taking huge hits of oil and compacting all of that smoke in the lungs is perfectly normal, if not healthy, this is 'medicine" isn't it?

And besides the fact that it's impossible to completely flush all nutrients out of the plant, there of course won't be any toxic chemicals, when someone lights leaves on fire and inhales the benefits.

And besides that every single health professional, who is prescribing mmj, in US will tell you that there are much healthier ways to consume cannabis than smoking.

"The most potent argument against the use of marijuana to treat medical disorders is that marijuana may cause the acceleration or aggravation of the very disorders it is being used to treat.

Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients.

Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker�s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells. Obviously, this suggests the conclusion, which is well-supported by scientific studies, that the use of marijuana as a medical therapy can and does have a very serious negative effect on patients with pre-existing immune deficits resulting from AIDS, organ transplantation, or cancer chemotherapy, the very conditions for which marijuana has most often been touted and suggested as a treatment. It has also been shown that marijuana use can accelerate the progression of HIV to full-blown AIDS and increase the occurrence of infections and Kaposi�s sarcoma. In addition, patients with weak immune systems will be even less able to defend themselves against the various respiratory cancers and conditions to which consistent marijuana use has been linked, and which are discussed briefly under "Respiratory Illnesses."

In conclusion, it seems that the potential dangers presented by the medical use of marijuana may actually contribute to the dangers of the diseases which it would be used to combat. Therefore, I suggest that marijuana should not be permitted as a therapy, at least until a good deal more conclusive research has been completed concerning its debilitating effect on the immune system.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

Marijuana smoke and cigarette smoke contain many of the same toxins, including one which has been identified as a key factor in the promotion of lung cancer. This toxin is found in the tar phase of both, and it should be noted that one joint has four times more tar than a cigarette, which means that the lungs are exposed four-fold to this toxin and others in the tar. It has been concretely established that smoking cigarettes promotes lung cancer (which causes more than 125,000 deaths in the US every year), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema) and increased incidence of respiratory tract infections. This implies, but does not establish, that smoking marijuana may lead to some of the same results as smoking cigarettes. It is notable that several reports indicate an unexpectedly large proportion ofmarijuana users among cases of lung cancer and cancers of the oral cavity,pharynx, and larynx. Thus, it appears that the use of marijuana as a medicine has the potential to further harm an already ill patient in the same way that taking up regular cigarette smoking would, particularly in light of the fact that those patients for whom marijuana is recommended are already poorly equipped to fight off these infections and diseases.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

Smoking a joint is equivalent to smoking 20 tobacco cigarettes in terms of lung cancer risk. Studies in the past have demonstrated that marijuana can cause cancer, but few have established a strong link between cannabis use and the actual incidence of lung cancer. Marijuana could be expected to harm the airways more than tobacco as its smoke contains twice the level of carcinogens, such as polyaromatic hydrocarbons, compared with tobacco cigarettes. The method of smoking also increases the risk, since joints are typically smoked without a proper filter and almost to the very tip, which increases the amount of smoke inhaled. The marijuana smoker inhales more deeply and for longer, facilitating the deposition of carcinogens in the airways.

Testicular cancer
Marijuana use may increase the risk of testicular germ cell tumors, primarily nonseminoma types. Dr. Janet R. Daling, from Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center has noticed a rise in TGCT rates. Her review shows current marijuana users, compared with those who never used marijuana, had a 70% increased risk of TGCT. However, one should keep in mind that the rate of testicular cancer is very low in the general population. Cancer 2009;115:1215-1223.

Cell damage
Marijuana smoke causes significantly more damage to cells and DNA than tobacco smoke. However, tobacco smoke causes chromosome damage while marijuana does not appear to.

Marijuana and heart attacks
Marijuana have a shorter life expectancy after suffering a heart attack. Dr. Kenneth J. Mukamal of the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston found that marijuana users have a poorer prognosis in the years following a heart attack. Marijuana triggers a spike in resting heart rate, as well an increase in blood pressure. At the same time it speeds heart rate, creating a greater demand for oxygen, it can also limit the body's ability to use oxygen, the researchers explain. Marijuana smoke exposes users to carbon monoxide. American Heart Journal, March 2008.

http://www.raysahelian.com/marijuana.html

How many studies have you found saying that taking bong hits all day is healthy? I don't care if your sitting at home smoking blunts and taking bong hits all day, that's fine. Im thinking about the 10,000s of actual medical patients who have serious health problems and shouldn't be exposed to further risk. I still am trying to understand how anyone will deny that smoking, any smoking, isn't good for you. This is why I think the entire movement will never gain acceptance until there is an actual medical field and the current medical situation becomes a liquor store follow up. Even with the studies showing the positive benefits of cannabis, the rate is usually measured at a "joint/day". What size of joint? What kind of bud? Every single nug sold in every single dispensary and street corner is completely 100% flushed, contain absolutely no mold, or other crazy ass contaminants. Right.

I agree that inhaling smoke doesn't do our lungs any favors, but a lot of these studies you've posted seem to make statements that are hard to quantify.
One joint is the equivalent of 20 cigarettes with regard to lung cancer? Is that a pinner or a bomber? A resinous strain or brick weed?
And to find that weed smokers have 70% higher risk for testicular cancer? How healthy were these subjects lifestyles otherwise? Way too many factors involved to make statements like this, and they even concede that the rate of this cancer is low to begin with.

I'm not saying that some of these findings aren't valid, just that it's easy to paint a horrifying picture by handpicking every dire statement that Google pulls up. It's important to remember, too, that many of these studies are commisioned by folks looking to validate the illegality of the herb.

It would be interesting to see some more international research to compare results, as many other unhealthy lifestyle factors may influence tests like these, i.e. American diet, etc..

 

[Ganja baba]

"Dudes, whats the big fukin deal?


Those tars are not carcinogenic!

And contain OILS and FATS from yer herb!!

Bongs rule! "


The tars damage the cilia in lungs, eventually resulting in lesions/sores, these sores eventually produce damaged cells which are cancerous/produce tumors....

the lungs of cannabis smokers are not black like tabaco ,a smoker that has never smoked tabaco has not died of lung cancer , passive smoking maybe but there is no proof that cannabis can give you cancer , quite the opposite .

perhaps the body can get rid of cannabis tar or if its there its not cancerous .

i am no expert just what i have all ways beleived

 

[STRAINZ]

FYI, Just tried this:

1) 26" PHX Bong (Beaker)
Inhale: Nasty....Just like Krunch's pics
Exhale: Little lighter

2) 26" PHX Bong (Beaker) w/ 12 perc ashcatcher
Inhale: Slightly lighter than w/o the ashcatcher
Exhale: Also, slightly lighter than w/o the ashcatcher

3) Volcano (Heated it up pretty good to give me a thick vapor/medium smoke)
Inhale: Nothing
Exhale: Nothing

Also, has anyone tried this using different forms of ignition? i.e Using a high grade butane vs. low grade butane, hemp wick, heating element, etc.

 

[+Vibes]

i probably inhale that amount of shite and more on my bike ride to work everyday... you'll have to break the bong from my cold, dead, hands.

 

[krunchbubble]

well, despite closing on 100 years of lies (white women will have sex with mexicans! it will make you kill! it will make you insane!)

where are the horrorshows of people dying from cannabis? where are the lungcancers? the totally damaged lungs?

where are the guys smoking a joint out of a hole in their throats?

you think they wouldnt talk about this, ALL day, everyday

if it was true? (Even remotely?)

my lungs are fucked up, ever doctor that does the lung test says the same thing (4 doctors so far, including one from UCLA).
if you read earlier in the thread, one of my docs wants me to get an MRI of my lungs...

again show me a reputable study of any medical association or university saying that smoking cannabis is healthy for your lungs.

EXACTLY!! inhaling smoke of any form in bad for your lungs, PERIOD!!!

Moral of story, dont smoke bong, bad for you and also taste is bad, and as mentioned just plain sucks, joint or blunts IMO

Have a good weekend....

most ridiculous wannabe point in this thread....

the lungs of cannabis smokers are not black like tabaco ,a smoker that has never smoked tabaco has not died of lung cancer , passive smoking maybe but there is no proof that cannabis can give you cancer , quite the opposite .

perhaps the body can get rid of cannabis tar or if its there its not cancerous .

i am no expert just what i have all ways beleived

read the first part of this post...

FYI, Just tried this:

1) 26" PHX Bong (Beaker)
Inhale: Nasty....Just like Krunch's pics
Exhale: Little lighter

2) 26" PHX Bong (Beaker) w/ 12 perc ashcatcher
Inhale: Slightly lighter than w/o the ashcatcher
Exhale: Also, slightly lighter than w/o the ashcatcher

3) Volcano (Heated it up pretty good to give me a thick vapor/medium smoke)
Inhale: Nothing
Exhale: Nothing

Also, has anyone tried this using different forms of ignition? i.e Using a high grade butane vs. low grade butane, hemp wick, heating element, etc.

very nice experiment! and your just confirming that vape in completely the way to go....
would love to see what other forms of ignition would do as well! ill see what i can come up with today....

 

[yesum]

i probably inhale that amount of shite and more on my bike ride to work everyday... you'll have to break the bong from my cold, dead, hands.

If you took all the soot you inhale all day and concentrated it, you would have several of those resin patches worth I am sure. If you work in a dusty place as I do, not even close.

 

[MacGyver420]

used to smoke out of a 3 foot triple perc'd bong with diffuser and icecatcher;
loved it until i started to hack up shit;

i tried to get on a health kick and move over to vape's but i just CANT stand the high; ive smoked volcanos; silver surfers; and many others -- i dont like the burnt popcorn smell and the high is just not the same;; can anyone comment on this?
obviously the vaporizer is not totally clean as there is a residue that builds up in the "whip"
over time.... but no question its cleaner than a bong hit...

so i have compromised and now i own a medium sized bubbler; not as bad for me as the bong; i don't inhale nearly as deeply and i no longer wheeze or hack up shit....

i no longer own any "bongs"

as far as doctors checkin out my lungs; i have always come out clean, but for many years i was an avid cross-country runner and im thinking that has something to do with my overall cardiovascular health

 

[Sapman]

used to smoke out of a 3 foot triple perc'd bong with diffuser and icecatcher;
loved it until i started to hack up shit;

i tried to get on a health kick and move over to vape's but i just CANT stand the high; ive smoked volcanos; silver surfers; and many others -- i dont like the burnt popcorn smell and the high is just not the same;; can anyone comment on this?
obviously the vaporizer is not totally clean as there is a residue that builds up in the "whip"
over time.... but no question its cleaner than a bong hit...

so i have compromised and now i own a medium sized bubbler; not as bad for me as the bong; i don't inhale nearly as deeply and i no longer wheeze or hack up shit....

i no longer own any "bongs"

as far as doctors checkin out my lungs; i have always come out clean, but for many years i was an avid cross-country runner and im thinking that has something to do with my overall cardiovascular health

I agree Mac the times when I used a Vape the high went away in like 20 minutes. My buddy has a Volcano and I would do like 2 large bags and still, 20 or 30 minute high. Maybe my tolerance was too high I don't know? Its not much lower now though I'm sure.

That being said, I still want to buy a vape. I guess its a combo of my growing buddy being on my case for not using a vape and my dad going in for lung cancer removal in 2 weeks. He only smoked cigs for 6 months in college so smoke may not have been what caused his cancer.

l called a couple places today after kind of deciding on the Volcano. One guy told me they haven't changed the design since they came out. Is that true? I think he quoted me $549 and $649. The more expensive one just has a digital read out.

Does that sound like the right price anyone? Going to have to drive an hour to pick one up. None of my local shops carry it in stock. Oh, regarding the carbon filter bong attachments and the carbon itself. None of the shops I called even carried these. These are large reputable head shops too. WTF?

 

[Proteus]

this thread is hilarious,

just what do you think THC is? It's a fucking solid compound. you can filter it out.... but why would you want to?
Do the same test through your volcano, I'll bet you all my money you will get goo on your towel.

Point is, the only way not to get resin/carbon mixture in your lungs is to A) completely filter out everything you are burning through various filters and bubblers (which defeats the point of smoking). or B) Use edibles to medicate.

good lord krunch, common bro!
:facepalm:

 

[krunchbubble]

this thread is hilarious,

just what do you think THC is? It's a fucking solid compound. you can filter it out.... but why would you want to?
Do the same test through your volcano, I'll bet you all my money you will get goo on your towel.

Point is, the only way not to get resin/carbon mixture in your lungs is to A) completely filter out everything you are burning through various filters and bubblers (which defeats the point of smoking). or B) Use edibles to medicate.

good lord krunch, common bro!
:facepalm:

when did THC all of a sudden become a solid compound?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

show me what breathing air for a day puts in your lungs, then come back and holla atcha boi. till then consinue smoking and living your life, its prolly doing more good for you than breathing the air outside. especially if you live in a city. resin and tar from weed is the least of your breathing concerns.

also you know your lungs clean themselves don't you? everytime you breathe. its not much cleaning, but this. it not a concern.

 

[cannascholar]

i've recently taken up running as a way to clean my lungs and get HIGH. I'm always coughing up all kinds of shit after a fast mile + good workout. Then a fat one's waitin on me in the car, smoking after exercise creates a very nice feeling..bottom line be as healthy as you can by exercising/purging your lungs because sitting around all day coating them with resin is bound to cause problems, maybe just minute, but problems nonetheless.

I don't think I'll ever give up swishers so I gotta make up for their damage..

What do you guys think about just going straight hash? Is that less damage because it's less material?

 

[Sour Deez]

this thread is hilarious,

just what do you think THC is? It's a fucking solid compound. you can filter it out.... but why would you want to?
Do the same test through your volcano, I'll bet you all my money you will get goo on your towel.

Point is, the only way not to get resin/carbon mixture in your lungs is to A) completely filter out everything you are burning through various filters and bubblers (which defeats the point of smoking). or B) Use edibles to medicate.

good lord krunch, common bro!
:facepalm:

Actually i did try it threw my vape and the paper was clear. Nothing showed up at all. And i did about 5 hits with a decent temp, the bong was so milky with vapor it looked like a smoke hit.

Point is... the paper stayed clear

 

[krunchbubble]

Actually i did try it threw my vape and the paper was clear. Nothing showed up at all. And i did about 5 hits with a decent temp, the bong was so milky with vapor it looked like a smoke hit.

Point is... the paper stayed clear

guess you get all his money then as he said!!! but now he will claim he's dead broke.....

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

i went running while smoking a joint a few days ago, my lungs are fine, im currently making green dragon to see if that works out, it would be great to find the right ratio to make it so strong that u only need ten drops and sent u off buzzed for 3 hours with no smoke damage to ones body.

 

[LovableHuggable]

Inhaling smoke isn't good for you no matter where it comes from. Same thing with dust or other fine particulate matter. Cannabis isn't half as bad as tobacco b/c you aren't constantly smoking it all day long even if you are high all day plus all the other differences factor in etc. I can say though that after smoking cannabis for 10 years with 8 of them daily and smoking cigs for 6 years (stopped in 05) I am in much worse lung shape than a friend of mine who never smokes cigs and smokes cannabis 5x a week and this is even after healing from cigarettes which took two years.

 

[Headbandf1]

Wholly Smoke - 1938

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[BudToaster]

i tried to get on a health kick and move over to vape's but i just CANT stand the high; ive smoked volcanos; silver surfers; and many others -- i dont like the burnt popcorn smell and the high is just not the same;; can anyone comment on this?

RE: popcorn taste -- sounds like the heater temp is too high -- not all vapes do this.

Definitely the high from vaping is different from the stone from a joint. i personally prefer vaping -- smoking triggers asthma symptoms for me, but vaping never does.

When i started vaping half as much, and only 3 (or 4) times per day, the high lasts for hours.