Peaceful Civil Disobedience With A Trash Can

[LoSwaga]

uh...so you want me to get a bunch of people high without their permission? On what planet do you reside exactly? That is the most ridiculous bunch of immature, irresponsible, completely obnoxious bullshit I think I've ever read. People like you are the reason why this "movement" isn't taken seriously.

edit- I just tried to reword my post to make it sound less rude but I can't figure out a way to get my point across without that...just absolutely blows my mind, this guy's post... unbelievable

 

[rives]

uh...so you want me to get a bunch of people high without their permission? On what planet do you reside exactly? That is the most ridiculous bunch of immature, irresponsible, completely obnoxious bullshit I think I've ever read. People like you are the reason why this "movement" isn't taken seriously.

edit- I just tried to reword my post to make it sound less rude but I can't figure out a way to get my point across without that...just absolutely blows my mind, this guy's post... unbelievable

Well, shit. I apparently got a little heavy-handed this morning handing out accolades and can't do any more today. This post deserved one.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I drive a 1997 Honda Civic in Texas, lack a concealed carry permit and have zero authority over anyone. Infer what you will about my dick.

I feel for you there, I'm from Texas this is aimed at California dispensary owners, but you should still figure out some sort of resistance even if small, and not noticed. Even if it is just speaking out on a daily basis to educate people with numbers and facts.

Also I infer your dick is probably normal size or bigger. lol. I grew in Texas for 10 years. Had some close calls. had my house searched by narcotics officers and shit, but got lucky because I heard people talking and was able to clear my shit out fast. Have been pulled over with pounds, dealt with attempted rippers. I have been down the path. Growing in Texas takes real balls. 4 year minimum 20 year maximum for one plant and anything over 4 ounces. over 2 ounces automatic intent to distribute. add on time for being near a school which is every where.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

uh...so you want me to get a bunch of people high without their permission? On what planet do you reside exactly? That is the most ridiculous bunch of immature, irresponsible, completely obnoxious bullshit I think I've ever read. People like you are the reason why this "movement" isn't taken seriously.

edit- I just tried to reword my post to make it sound less rude but I can't figure out a way to get my point across without that...just absolutely blows my mind, this guy's post... unbelievable

This has gone over your head. you are lacking the ability to see the big picture. when was the last time an actual mature person got on an internet forum and spent time posting to someone about how they are immature? Never. If you were mentally older than 19 you would have moved on with out posting. Knowing your mental age I will take pity on you and tell you what to google to educate your self.

Please go read the definition of civil disobedience, and the rest of the thread. then read Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau. Then go read Martin Luther King Jr. You clearly have not. There is nothing legal about civil disobedience, and it will always be viewed as rude, by the people who disagree. Half the nation thinks the protests in wall street should be illegal. People said the same thing about Rosa Parks, as you said about me. It is not that this action is immature. The nature of civil disobedience is to be disruptive to people's order and common mind set, while remaining peaceful. In order for civil disobedience to work, it must start a lot of controversy, and bother people. If federal government listened to voters and obeyed states rights, none of this would ever be suggested. Civil disobedience like this is the reason the civil rights movement was able to take off. reading history will help you understand.

Think about it like this. These fascist law enforcers are violating the constitution, and your state law. They have no right to do what they are doing. If they don't wanna get high they should stay out of the pot shop. Also think about this. They are hauling you off to jail with out your permission for hurting no one. since when is there permission required to do anything anyways; and since when has anyone waited on it? They have no right to grant or not grant me permission to do something on my own property that hurts no one.

There is nothing immature about coming up with a creative peaceful way to spark debate. It is a wonderful way to make a bunch of morons see they are enforcing a stupid law and should quit partaking in those actions. When LEO is not willing to enforce a law then the law becomes just a piece of paper in an office 2,700 miles away.

BTW people like me, over growers, are the MOVEMENT. WE ARE reason the plant is not extinct. I spend everyday spreading the plant and the craft of growing the plant for free around the entire globe.

People like you who are constantly negative and walk around with a coward stick up their ass are the problem. I bet you do nothing for the movement except bitch at people like me. Being a Troll is not being an activist.

Also it is not people we are getting high with out permission, it federal DEA. they have no souls, Fuck them. I could care less about their permission for anything. I am a free man, unlike you. You are shackled by fear.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Well, shit. I apparently got a little heavy-handed this morning handing out accolades and can't do any more today. This post deserved one.

For someone in the state of Jefferson you sure as hell have not read Jefferson. Go figure. Another sheepish cowardice American that can't see past their own hand in front of their face. I bet the biggest civil disobedience you have ever committed is getting high and being lazy on your couch. I moved across country to dedicate my self to civil disobedience everyday of the year, and have been every day since I moved, and every day for 11 years before that

COWARDS ARE WHY THIS PLANT IS STILL ILLEGAL. GO AHEAD BEND OVER AND TAKE IT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE WITH OUT STRIKING BACK. EMPOWER THE FASCIST.

 

[Stress_test]

Well HZ I have to be completely honest: When I first read the title of this thread and then that it is in the Laws & Legal forum, I really expected it was about some dumfuck runnin around wearing a trash can yankin his pud in the city park and then blaming it on weed.

(Of course that was yesterday and I was stoned then.)

I get your point. I totally understand where your mind is going with this idea, and most of us are as frustrated as you are. We all want to torture badge packers, in some way we all want them to experience the same torment they have inflicted on us.

But your idea is like going to a shootout with the DEA, FBI, and LEO; armed with water-balloons and shit-blivets.

They already want to shoot you before they even kick your door down. Would you really wanna be remembered as the dead guy who caused that kind of stink?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^ I am glad you get my point, and don't think I'm just doing some acid in the town well freak out prank. this is actually doable if instructions are followed to a t. don't expect to not get extra charges though if they can prove you plugged in the vaporizer to get them baked. since the process is slower now you will be hauled off before they even know what happened. It would be hard for them to prove that is was not just left plugged in because the store got raided and they had no way to get to it to unplug it. Plausible deniability is actually possible in this scenario.

I specifically explain in the thread multiple times, and I REPEAT, that if this disobedient action is something that puts you at risk to get shot then it is not a good idea. I do not want anyone risking injury or death for this because it is not necessary and I would not risk it either, for this particular form of civil disobedience. This is only a suggestion for people that have the tactical advantage of seeing them coming down the street before they breach the door. I understand most people wont have this opportunity, but some will for sure. Many (white) people are basically told they are going to be raided in so many ways by the police, by a knock and talk. Non-whites don't usually don't get the courtesy. If you have not noticed the drug war is racist "


ON A SIDE NOTE NEVER ANSWER THE DOOR FOR A KNOCK AND TALK. FUCK THEM.

 

[Stress_test]

"I think that the internet is a dangerous thing sometimes when the wrong person can reach the keyboard at the wrong time, if they can read." -- Bill Clinton

He never was very smart, but I think what he meant was that if you type something, and some other dum SOB does what you type, then you might have incited somebody to do somethin that they might not have thunk of if they hadn't ever read that what you wrote.

Then again, I never did understand much of anything Clinton said. All the double talk kept echoing around.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^Clinton is not stupid by any means. he is an Oxford Rhodes Scholar. He also began the "pay as you go" plan, and balanced the national budget, and brought us the most prosperous time in Human History. He just got his dick sucked by the wrong big mouthed intern. lol

addressing the quote. I have no dispensary to try this, so I won't have that predicament. I would be more worried about my mmj grow and giving away of clones and grow advice for free. no one here has an issue with that, but the federal government thinks that is way worse then getting some cops a little high on pot.

 

[rives]

For someone in the state of Jefferson you sure as hell have not read Jefferson. Go figure. Another sheepish cowardice American that can't see past their own hand in front of their face. I bet the biggest civil disobedience you have ever committed is getting high and being lazy on your couch. I moved across country to dedicate my self to civil disobedience everyday of the year, and have been every day since I moved, and every day for 11 years before that

COWARDS ARE WHY THIS PLANT IS STILL ILLEGAL. GO AHEAD BEND OVER AND TAKE IT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE WITH OUT STRIKING BACK. EMPOWER THE FASCIST.

It's interesting to me that people could possibly still think that "overgrowing the planet" or "civil disobedience" of this nature is the way to further the cause. For the cause to advance further, it is going to take winning the hearts & minds of the general populace, to use a cliche'. We need their forbearance, their goodwill, and their votes. Running around playing the hemp version of Johnny Appleseed and "dosing" people against their will is a sure recipe to set things even further back. Take a look in any local paper in California at the comments submitted and you will see how well "overgrowing" is working out for us.

And incidentally, your scenario isn't original. I remember dreaming up virtually the same thing years ago, pre-vaporizers, giggling with a friend about how my new electric water-pipe would be great for hosing down the cops if they came to bust us. Of course, that was over 40 years ago and I was about 16, so it is forgivable.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

We did vote. Prop 215 in cali and other bills in 14 other states and DC. It is ignored by the federal government. they could care less about states rights. it gets in the way of them making money.

How does over growing not work? It is working great for cali. There is so much you all export, and supply much of the nation now, instead of mexico and canada. It has been working at an increasing rate for years. The more the plant is spread around the harder it is for the government to control. THIS WEB SITE IS THE CONTINUATION OF OVERGROW.COM. If you don't believe in over growing you should get off the site and stop wasting our bandwidth. LEAVE TROLL.

Also I never said it was original, I said it was a good Idea to stir shit up. so once again LEAVE.

As far as winning hearts and minds. 15 STATES HAVE DECRIMINALIZED! 70% of Americans believe mmj should be federally legal. 51 % think it should be fully legal. HEARTS AND MINDS ARE WON. CORPORATE OWNED POLITICIANS KEEP IT ILLEGAL FOR FINANCIAL GAIN.

The last time anyone accomplished anything in this country from a grass roots movement was the civil rights movement, and civil disobedience was involved, along with over whelming numbers. THE ENTIRE MMJ MOVEMENT IS BASED ON THAT!

how many cuts have gone extinct because of police raids? Spreading strains is simply the way to keep it alive and out of the control of the government. Literally thousands of people like me around the country play "johnny apple seed" as you so arrogantly suggest. If we didn't you would have nothing to grow/smoke other than mexi shwag if you are lucky. However since 9/11 the borders have been tightened and not near as much pot makes it in as it used to, so it would eventually dwindle.

You are just old, comfortable, and lazy now so it's forgivable. You also have no vision of the big picture. You actually think just because some people are using the tactic of civil disobedience, for the point of preserving the plant until voting works in all 50 states, means that you have to stop winning over people, and getting votes.

LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOUR SIMPLE MIND. Civil disobedience PROVOKES OVERLY HARSH RESPONSE FROM LEO. THAT IS THE POINT! THE OVERREACTION IS THEN NOTICED BY THE NATION AND SHUNNED. THE BACK LASH FROM THE PUBLIC SPARKS SERIOUS DEBATE AROUND THE ISSUE, AND FORCES THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE. that is the whole idea.

IF YOU HATE THE IDEA STOP TROLLING AND DON'T COME TO THE SITE. VERY SIMPLE

 

[rives]

Ok, I'm sold. I've wasted the last 30 years or so in this community by showing that while I am a pot smoker, I am also a good parent, valuable employee, good neighbor, etc. Instead of helping out my elderly neighbors when we're ass deep in snow or giving them some topicals to try for their arthritis, I would have been far more successful in filling up my yard with what they consider to be "stinky plants", subjecting them to the possibility of rippers or visits from LEO (a proven neighborhood enhancer) and driving down their property values. Rather than demonstrating maturity and discretion, I should have been shrieking freshman-level poli-sci platitudes at every opportunity and railing about fascism. Oh yeah, I'm certain that would have been far more effective in advancing the cause.

Your enthusiasm should be applauded. Your common sense, unfortunately, is sadly lacking. Incidentally, what gives you the right to tell people that they shouldn't come to this site if they don't subscribe to your particular brand of lunacy?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^Now you are grouping together over growers, who do this for political, and medical reasons; and profiteers, who do this solely for money.

As far as your life is concerned, I am not saying you should do anything. I am just saying don't put other down for doing there thing in their own thread you could just leave. your negativity is not needed. you obviously disagree and do your own thing anyways which is good. Too bad you have zero vision of the big picture like I said. You are sarcastic, Arrogant, and close minded. Always missing the point. To win a political issue like this attacking an issue on multiple fronts is required. All angles must be tackled. They are not all pretty. This idea is just one of hundreds of things that can be done to press the issue. IF YOU HAVE BETTER IDEAS FOR NATIONAL ATTENTION GETTING, SPEAK UP. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE THREAD; TROLLING IS NOT THE POINT, SO FUCKING STOP IT. MOVING ON. Giving your arthritic neighbor some topical cream is nice but it is not going to all of a sudden make your congressman pay attention. Right now it is basically ignored in national debate in the legislative branch other than the purpose of maker stricter laws, and limiting rights. I like this analogy. If you were in the military you might make a good sergeant, but you don't have the brain for a general. However you have not wasted your time, your efforts are great as well. For some reason though, you are very limited in your thought process which makes you a judgmental, sarcastic dick to people, and you prove it in this thread. You and your equally hypocritical friend kmk420kali, who both take part in basically the same civil disobedience as me, but some how come off with this holier than thou attitude like you are some how better. Just further proves your arrogance and pure lack of I.Q. I think kmk420kali even has a dispensary. I know he has tried to start one at least. I remember the thread. who the fuck do you think grows the weed for most patients. It isn't magically summoned.

All those people you just talked shit about in your previous post grow mmj. You are dense. Believe it or not giving topicals to people as medicine is the same as me giving clones to people to grow medicine, or giving them oils to make topicals. That is civil disobedience that the federal government would not like at all. It is all productive. good job.

I am not suggesting you dose your neighbors and strangers randomly. I am talking about federal trespassers, in a place that is designated as a place for mmj.

Further more, I do not bother anyone. If I am bothering you on this thread take the advice George Carlin gave to people. "If you don;t like what is on the radio there is two knobs. One changes the channel and the other Turns it off." meaning, if you don't like it then leave. My neighbors like me, and I contribute plenty to the community. I have no police record. DISCRETION is how I live my life. I am peaceful. The Majority of my time goes to helping people. I will remember you if I ever see you needing help in the infirmary too, and I'll make sure to not help you.

to state the obvious. over growing is not effective if you are making your neighbors yard smell like skunk during their 4th of July barbeque. that is just rude. There is a huge difference between over growers and pure profiteers. Making your grow obvious and subject to rippers is also a very bad idea. Over growers don't do that because they don't want to go to jail. they see the larger picture. Only profiteers that are doing it for the money, do stupid shit like that. They are the perfect example of why it should be legalized. then it could be grown, licensed in industrial zones. Overgrowing is about showing everyone that not only can the government not control it, they don't need to. Pot can be grown with out bothering or hurting anyone. I will agree that people that do things to the point of infringing on their neighbors property with smell is bad for the cause, and bad for winning hearts and minds. Stinking up your neighbors property is rude no matter what. Doesn't matter if it is weed or not picking up your dog shit. Some people just don't have common decency.

YOU DON"T KNOW ME NOR WHAT THIS WEB SITE IS ABOUT. GN, THE FOUNDER OF THE WEB SITE IS ALL ABOUT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE. HE LEFT HIS HOME COUNTRY FOR IT. HE PAYS FOR THE WEB SITE WITH IT. NOTICE HOW THE THREAD ISN'T SHUT DOWN YET. IT MAKES IT'S MONEY FROM SEED SALES. THE VERY JOHNNY APPLE SEED CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, YOU ARE TALKING SHIT ABOUT.

WTF? HOW DENSE ARE YOU?

ONCE AGAIN. THE GROWERS YOU ARE TALKING SHIT ABOUT, RISK PRISON TO GROW MMJ FOR THE COUNTRY, THAT OBVIOUSLY WANTS IT, INCLUDING YOU. YOU CALL IT RIDICULOUS TO LIFT A FINGER DOING ANYTHING BUT SMOKING AND GOING ALONG WITH THE NATIONAL STATUS QUO. OH AND THE OCCASIONAL HAND CREAM FOR THE NEIGHBORS. YOU THINK IT IS RIDICULOUS TO DO ANYTHING TO SPARK DEBATE. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, UNTIL YOU TELL ME, THE OTHER GROWERS, AND THE SEED VENDERS ON THE WEB SITE THANK YOU FOR GROWING AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE HAVE MEDICINE, DON"T TALK TO ME! UNTIL THEN YOU CAN GO CRAM YOUR IPAD 2, AND YOUR SMART CAR AND YOUR SNOW SHOVEL AND YOUR OLD NEIGHBORS UP YOUR SMUG ASS.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Like it says in my sig though "I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." Thomas Jefferson you live in the state of Jefferson and seem proud of it but you don't know Jefferson. He would be encouraging me.

Read just a tiny bit about how civil disobedience has secured freedom for millions. Our country would be no where with out it. I guess wasting all that tea and killing some fish to prove a point was immature too. Also people illegally hiding slaves in the under ground rail road was just awful right? .... and Harriot Tubman she should have just grown up and moved to the back of the bus so people could get along with their day?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

The Boston Tea Party was a direct action by colonists in Boston, a town in the British colony of Massachusetts, against the British government and the monopolistic East India Company that controlled all the tea imported into the colonies. On December 16, 1773, after officials in Boston refused to return three shiploads of taxed tea to Britain, a group of colonists boarded the ships and destroyed the tea by throwing it into Boston Harbor. The incident remains an iconic event of American history, and other political protests often refer to it.

The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act for a variety of reasons, especially because they believed that it violated their right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain. He apparently did not expect that the protestors would choose to destroy the tea rather than concede the authority of a legislature in which they were not directly represented.

http://www.civilliberties.org/sum98role.html

The Role of Civil Disobedience in Democracy
...by Kayla Starr, adapted by Bonnie Blackberry

Civil Disobedience is the act of disobeying a law on grounds of moral or political principle. It is an attempt to influence society to accept a dissenting point of view. Although it usually uses tactics of nonviolence, it is more than mere passive resistance since it often takes active forms such as illegal street demonstrations or peaceful occupations of premises. The classic treatise on this topic is Henry David Thoreau's "On the Duty of Civil Disobedience," which states that when a person's conscience and the laws clash, that person must follow his or her conscience. The stress on personal conscience and on the need to act now rather than to wait for legal change are recurring elements in civil disobedience movements. The U.S. Bill of Rights asserts that the authority of a government is derived from the consent of the governed, and whenever any form of government becomes destructive, it is the right and duty of the people to alter or abolish it.

Throughout the history of the U.S., civil disobedience has played a significant role in many of the social reforms that we all take for granted today. Some of the most well known of these are:

1) The Boston Tea Party -- citizens of the colony of Massachusetts trespassed on a British ship and threw its cargo (tea from England) overboard, rather than be forced to pay taxes without representation to Britain. This was one of the many acts of civil disobedience leading to the War for Independence, establishing the United States of America as a sovereign state.

2) Anti-war movements have been a part of U.S. history since Thoreau went to jail for refusing to participate in the U.S. war against Mexico in 1849. More recent examples were the nationwide protests against the war in Viet Nam, U.S. involvement in Nicaragua and Central America, and the Gulf War. Actions have included refusal to pay for war, refusal to enlist in the military, occupation of draft centers, sit-ins, blockades, peace camps, and refusal to allow military recruiters on high school and college campuses.

3) The Women's Suffrage Movement lasted from 1848 until 1920, when thousands of courageous women marched in the streets, endured hunger strikes, and submitted to arrest and jail in order to gain the right to vote.

4) Abolition of slavery -- including Harriet Tubman's underground railway, giving sanctuary, and other actions which helped to end slavery.

5) The introduction of labor laws and unions. Sit-down strikes organized by the IWW, and CIO free speech confrontations led to the eradication of child labor and improved working conditions, established the 40-hour work week and improved job security and benefits.

6) The Civil Rights Movement, led by Martin Luther King, Jr. and others, included sit-ins and illegal marches which weakened segregation in the south.

7) The Anti-Nuclear Movement, stimulated by people like Karen Silkwood and the Three Mile Island nuclear power accident, organized citizens throughout the country into direct action affinity groups, with consensus decision making and Gandhian nonviolence as its core. Massive acts of civil disobedience took place at nuclear power facilities across the country, followed by worldwide protests against first-strike nuclear weapons, occupying military bases, maintaining peace camps, interfering with manufacture and transport of nuclear bombs and devices, marching, sitting in, blockading and otherwise disrupting business as usual at nuclear sites.

8) Environmental and forest demonstrations, with acts of civil disobedience such as sit-ins, blockades, tree sits and forest occupations, have emerged in the last decade, prompted by the continuing mass clear cuts and destruction of the forest ecosystem and widespread environmental consequences.

In all of these struggles, citizens had reached the conclusion that the legal means for addressing their concerns had not worked. They had tried petitioning, lobbying, writing letters, going to court, voting for candidates that represented their interests, legal protest, and still their views were ignored.

In each of these movements, the protesters were compelled by deep moral convictions. Their distress was strong enough to motivate them to go against the grain, to sacrifice personal comfort, to face unknown danger, to give up their freedom and risk going to jail. Their love of truth and justice drove them to action. Many, but not all, of those committing civil disobedience in the last two decades have been trained in Gandhian nonviolence philosophy and tactics.

Non-Cooperation is used by some protesters during civil disobedience actions. Non-cooperation may include going limp, refusal to give information at booking, fasting and refusal to particpate in court proceedings.

Gandhi, who profoundly influenced nonviolent disobedience movements in the 20th century, stated that "Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good." Non-cooperation is not intended as a hostile act against police officers and jail guards. An understood theoretical basis is that nonviolent protest draws its strength from open confrontation and non-cooperation, i.e., civil disobedience. We retain as much power as we refuse to relinquish to the government. Non-cooperation is a form of resistance that is used to reaffirm our position that we are not criminals and that we are taking positive steps toward freeing the world of oppression and environmental suicide.

The decision to non-cooperate is a difficult choice to make, since it subjects those who choose it to greater possibilities for pain and punishment, and many times is misunderstood by law enforcement. In addition, it poses a dilemma for protesters who would prefer to communicate with the arresting officer, making it more difficult to communicate while being dragged across the ground.

Reasons some protesters choose non-cooperation:

1) Moral conviction: It would be wrong to be an accomplice to a procedure that supports what is morally unacceptable.

2) To increase the likelihood that all protesters are treated equally: Refusing to give names so that everyone committing the same act will be treated equally and fairly in jail and in sentencing. Refusing citation, bail, fines or probation keeps protesters together, increasing the potential for collective bargaining.

3) To extend the action: Going limp at arrest impedes the removal of the protesters, prolonging the disruption of business as usual.

4) To demonstrate that the criminal justice system is part of the problem: It may be a corporation that is damaging the environment, jeopardizing all our lives and our children's future, but it is the criminal justice system that is legitimizing and supporting it.

Civil disobedience is often an effective means of changing laws and protecting liberties. It also embodies an important moral concept that there are times when law and justice do not coincide and that to obey the law at such times can be an abdication of ethical responsibility. The choice of civil disobedience and non-cooperation is not for everyone. We all choose to do what feels right to us personally. However, it is hoped that this article will make such a choice more understandable to those who have wondered about this form of protest.

 

[paladin420]

My problem with this is that I am not really a Civil Person..Knowing Myself I try very hard to be Civil..I am certain that Super Max Prisons are no Disney Land....That being said I plan on going to DC this spring to peacefully Protest...after that?????

http://https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4673391&highlight=crusade#post4673391

Y'all are welcome...I will be bringin some Grindage....and some beans to johnny apple around town...It is gonna be spring...

 

[dagnabit]

Ok, I'm sold. I've wasted the last 30 years or so in this community

seem so

all that goodwill and somehow this is still happening?!?!?

by showing that while I am a pot smoker, I am also a good parent, valuable employee, good neighbor, etc. Instead of helping out my elderly neighbors when we're ass deep in snow or giving them some topicals to try for their arthritis, n advancing the cause.

yeah..
they respect your "maturity"

they dont and will never respect you or see you as human.
when the shit goes down your elderly neighbors will talk shit on your evil drug dealer ass once you get hauled off...

the time for hiding and sucking ass is over.
your pacifism has emboldened the enemy.

yeah..
your way is working soooo well...

 

[rives]

Testy, aren't we?

If you think that mj legalization is comparable, and thus open to using the same tools to bring it to the forefront of people's minds as the examples given, you are delusional. Slavery, war, women's suffrage, etc. diminish the mj movement to laughable insignificance. In California, at least, we have (or had, at least) legal medical usage. Do you think that this came about as a result of civil disobedience "awakening" voters? No, it came about as expression of compassion for AID's and cancer patients, by their neighbors, to enable them a bit of relief. I think that it is far more effective to demonstrate that the propaganda of the last 75 years is bullshit by living a life that is at odds with what this misinformation has said will be the result of mj usage.

And yes, Dagnabit, I think that "my" way is working "soooo well". You are interchanging the response of LEO with the general populace. We have made remarkable progress in the last 15 years - the majority of Californians voted in 215, and don't forget, we came very close to approving recreational usage with 19. Had it not been for people on "our side" torpedoing the legislation, California would now have the most lax mj laws in the world. I still cannot wrap my head around that one. If your neighbors respond as you stated in your post, I pity you and suggest that you move to a more enlightened area. That is certainly not representative of mine.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I am sorry I yelled at you, I see you are just not well read on the history and statistics of this subject like about 90 percent of Americans, nothing weird there. Please read my next few posts on the history and statistics of the drug war, to show you that civil disobedience for this it is not comparable to the civil rights movement. IT IS THE SAME THING EXACT THING. This is literally a continuation of the civil rights movement. The DEA and the drug war was started by Nixon to nullify the civil rights movement and the anti war movement. Fighting for mj legalization is fighting for civil rights. Mj legalization is the beginning of the end to the drug war. Not only that. The founding fathers never intended for the government to control what people put in there own bodies with their own free choice. The entire DEA is unconstitutional.

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/64

(racism and the War on Drugs) "The main obstacle to getting black America past the illusion that racism is still a defining factor in America is the strained relationship between young black men and police forces. The massive number of black men in prison stands as an ongoing and graphically resonant rebuke to all calls to “get past racism,” exhibit initiative, or stress optimism. And the primary reason for this massive number of black men in jail is the War on Drugs. Therefore, if the War on Drugs were terminated, the main factor keeping race-based resentment a core element in the American social fabric would no longer exist. America would be a better place for all."
Source: McWhorter, John, "How the War on Drugs Is Destroying Black America," Cato's Letter (Washington, DC: The Cato Institute, Winter 2011), p. 1.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv9n1.pdf

Race & Prison - Data

(2009 - incarceration rates for people of color) "Mass arrests and incarceration of people of color – largely due to drug law violations46 – have hobbled families and communities by stigmatizing and removing substantial numbers of men and women. In the late 1990s, nearly one in three African-American men aged 20-29 were under criminal justice supervision, 47 while more than two out of five had been incarcerated – substantially more than had been incarcerated a decade earlier and orders of magnitudes higher than that for the general population.48 Today, 1 in 15 African-American children and 1 in 42 Latino children have a parent in prison, compared to 1 in 111 white children.49 In some areas, a large majority of African-American men – 55 percent in Chicago, for example50 – are labeled felons for life, and, as a result, may be prevented from voting and accessing public housing, student loans and other public assistance."
Source:
"Drug Courts Are Not the Answer: Toward a Health-Centered Approach to Drug Use" Drug Policy Alliance (New York, NY: March 2011), p. 9.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/DrugCourtsAreNottheAnswer.pdf

(2008 - illicit drug use by race) "Current illicit drug use among persons aged 12 or older varied by race/ethnicity in 2008, with the lowest rate among Asians (3.6 percent) (Figure 2.9). Rates were 14.7 percent for persons reporting two or more races, 10.1 percent for blacks, 9.5 percent for American Indians or Alaska Natives, 8.2 percent for whites, 7.3 percent of Native Hawaiians or Other Pacific Islanders, and 6.2 percent for Hispanics."
Source:
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. (2009). Results from the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: National Findings (Office of Applied Studies, NSDUH Series H-36, HHS Publication No. SMA 09-4434). Rockville, MD, p. 25.
http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/nsduh/2k8nsduh/2k8Results.pdf

(2008 - parents in prison) "The scale of the effects of parental incarceration on children can be revealed simply by statistics showing the number of children with a parent in prison or jail. Among white children in 1980, only 0.4 of 1 percent had an incarcerated parent; by 2008 this figure had increased to 1.75 percent. Rates of parental incarceration are roughly double among Latino children, with 3.5 percent of children having a parent locked up by 2008. Among African American children, 1.2 million, or about 11 percent, had a parent incarcerated by 2008."
Source:
Western , Bruce; Pettit, Becky, "Incarceration & social inequality," Dædalus (Cambridge, MA: American Academy of Arts and Sciences, Summer 2010), p. 16.
http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/DAED_a_00019

(2007 - prison population by race and sex) "Similar to men in the general prison population (93%), parents held in the nation's prisons at midyear 2007 were mostly male (92%) (not shown in table). More than 4 in 10 fathers were black, about 3 in 10 were white, and about 2 in 10 were Hispanic (appendix table 2). An estimated 1,559,200 children had a father in prison at midyear 2007; nearly half (46%) were children of black fathers.

"Almost half (48%) of all mothers held in the nation's prisons at midyear 2007 were white, 28% were black, and 17% were Hispanic. Of the estimated 147,400 children with a mother in prison, about 45% had a white mother. A smaller percentage of the children had a black (30%) or Hispanic (19%) mother."
Source:
Glaze, Lauren E. and Maruschak, Laura M., "Parents in Prison and Their Minor Children" (Washington, DC: USDOJ, Bureau of Justice Statistics, August 2008, Revised March 30, 2010), NCJ222984, p. 2.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pptmc.pdf

(2007 - incarceration rate by race) "The custody incarceration rate for black males was 4,618 per 100,000. Hispanic males were incarcerated at a rate of 1,747 per 100,000. Compared to the estimated numbers of black, white, and Hispanic males in the U.S. resident population, black males (6 times) and Hispanic males (a little more than 2 times) were more likely to be held in custody than white males. At midyear 2007 the estimated incarceration rate of white males was 773 per 100,000.

"Across all age categories, black males were incarcerated at higher rates than white or Hispanic males. Black males ages 30 to 34 had the highest custody incarceration rate of any race, age, or gender group at midyear 2007."
Source:
Sabol, William J., PhD, and Couture, Heather, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prison Inmates at Midyear 2007 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, June 2008), NCJ221944, p. 7.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim07.pdf

(2007 - incarceration rates by race and sex) "Changes in the incarceration rates for men and women by race were associated with changes to the overall composition of the custody population at midyear 2007. Black men had an incarceration rate of 4,618 per 100,000 U.S. residents at midyear 2007, down from 4,777 at midyear 2000. For white men, the midyear 2007 incarceration rate was 773 per 100,000 U.S. residents, up from 683 at midyear 2000. The ratio of the incarceration rates of black men to white men declined from 7 to 6 during this period.

"Changes in the incarceration rates for women were more distinct. At midyear 2000, black women were incarcerated at a rate 6 times that of white women (or 380 per 100,000 U.S. residents versus 63 per 100,000 U.S. residents). By June 30, 2007, the incarceration rate for black women declined to 3.7 times that of white women (or 348 versus 95). An 8.4% decline in the incarceration rate for black women and a 51% increase in the rate for white women accounted for the overall decrease in the incarceration rate of black women relative to white women at midyear 2007."
Source:
Sabol, William J., PhD, and Couture, Heather, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prison Inmates at Midyear 2007 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, June 2008), NCJ221944, p. 8.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim07.pdf

(2007 - incarceration rates by race and sex) As of June 30, 2007, the incarceration rate in state or federal prison or jail for men was 1,406 per 100,000 residents, for women 136 per 100,000 residents. The rate for white men was 773 per 100,000, for black men 4,618 per 100,000, for Hispanic men 1,747 per 100,000. The rate for white women was 95 per 100,000, for black women 348 per 100,000, and for Hispanic women 146 per 100,000.
Source:
Sabol, William J., PhD, Couture, Heather, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prison Inmates at Midyear 2007 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, June 2008), NCJ221944, p. 7, Table 10.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim07.pdf

(2007 - prison inmates by race, sex and age) "Of the 2.3 million inmates in custody, 2.1 million were men and 208,300 were women (table 9). Black males represented the largest percentage (35.4%) of inmates held in custody, followed by white males (32.9%) and Hispanic males (17.9%).

"Over a third (33.8%) of the total male custody population was ages 20 to 29 (appendix table 10). The largest percentage of black (35.5%) and Hispanic (39.9%) males held in custody were ages 20 to 29. White males ages 35 to 44 accounted for the largest percentage (30.1%) of the white male custody population.

"The largest percentage (35.9%) of the female custody population was ages 30 to 39. Over a third of white females (35.9%) were ages 30 and 39. The largest percentage (36.8%) of Hispanic females in custody was ages 20 to 29."
Source:
Sabol, William J., PhD, and Couture, Heather, Prison Inmates at Midyear 2007 (Washington, DC: US Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, June 2008), NCJ221944, p. 7.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim07.pdf

(2007 - incarceration rates by race and sex) "At midyear 2007, the incarceration rate of black women held in custody (prison or jail) was 348 per 100,000 U.S. residents compared to 146 Hispanic women and 95 white women. With the exception of females ages 55 to 59, black women were held in custody at higher rates than Hispanic or white women across all age categories."
Source:
Sabol, William J., PhD, and Couture, Heather, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prison Inmates at Midyear 2007 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, June 2008), NCJ221944, p. 8.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim07.pdf

(2003, 2004) "The racial disparities in the rates of drug arrests culminate in dramatic racial disproportions among incarcerated drug offenders. At least two-thirds of drug arrests result in a criminal conviction.18 Many convicted drug offenders are sentenced to incarceration: an estimated 67 percent of convicted felony drug defendants are sentenced to jail or prison.19 The likelihood of incarceration increases if the defendant has a prior conviction.20 Since blacks are more likely to be arrested than whites on drug charges, they are more likely to acquire the convictions that ultimately lead to higher rates of incarceration. Although the data in this backgrounder indicate that blacks represent about one-third of drug arrests, they constitute 46 percent of persons convicted of drug felonies in state courts.21 Among black defendants convicted of drug offenses, 71 percent received sentences to incarceration in contrast to 63 percent of convicted white drug offenders.22 Human Rights Watch’s analysis of prison admission data for 2003 revealed that relative to population, blacks are 10.1 times more likely than whites to be sent to prison for drug offenses.23"
Source:
Fellner, Jamie, "Decades of Disparity: Drug Arrests and Race in the United States," Human Rights Watch (New York, NY: March 2009), p. 16.
http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/us0309web_1.pdf

(2001 - chance of imprisonment) "In 2001, the chances of going to prison were highest among black males (32.2%) and Hispanic males (17.2%) and lowest among white males (5.9%). The lifetime chances of going to prison among black females (5.6%) were nearly as high as for white males. Hispanic females (2.2%) and white females (0.9%) had much lower chances of going to prison."
Source:
Bonczar, Thomas P., US Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Prevalence of Imprisonment in the US Population, 1974-2001," NCJ197976 (Washington DC: US Department of Justice, August 2003), p. 8.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/piusp01.pdf

(1999 - parent in prison) "Of the Nation's 72.3 million minor children in 1999, 2.1% had a parent in State or Federal prison. Black children (7.0%) were nearly 9 times more likely to have a parent in prison than white children (0.8%). Hispanic children (2.6%) were 3 times as likely as white children to have an inmate parent."
Source:
Mumola, Christopher J., US Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, Incarcerated Parents and Their Children (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, August 2000), p. 2.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/iptc.pdf

(2000 - U.S. population) According to the US Census Bureau, the US population in 2000 was 281,421,906. Of that, 194,552,774 (69.1%) were white; 33,947,837 (12.1%) were black; and 35,305,818 (12.5%) were of Hispanic origin. Additionally, 2,068,883 (0.7%) were Native American, and 10,123,169 (3.8%) were Asian.
Source:
US Census Bureau, Department of Commerce, Census 2000 Redistricting Data (P.L. 94-171) Summary File for states, Population by Race and Hispanic or Latino Origin for the United States: 2000 (PHC-T-a) Table 1.
http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t1/tab01.txt

(1999 - racial disparities) "Our research shows that blacks comprise 62.7 percent and whites 36.7 percent of all drug offenders admitted to state prison, even though federal surveys and other data detailed in this report show clearly that this racial disparity bears scant relation to racial differences in drug offending. There are, for example, five times more white drug users than black. Relative to population, black men are admitted to state prison on drug charges at a rate that is 13.4 times greater than that of white men. In large part because of the extraordinary racial disparities in incarceration for drug offenses, blacks are incarcerated for all offenses at 8.2 times the rate of whites. One in every 20 black men over the age of 18 in the United States is in state or federal prison, compared to one in 180 white men."
Source:
Human Rights Watch, "Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs" (Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch, 2000).
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00.htm#P54_1086

(1998 - racial disparities) "Because of their extraordinary rate of incarceration, one in every 20 black men over the age of 18 is in a state or federal prison, compared to one in every 180 whites." In five states, between one in 13 and one in 14 black men are in prison.
Source:
Human Rights Watch, "Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs" (Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch, 2000).
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-01.htm#P149_24292

(1997) "Fifty-eight percent of offenders admitted under 18 in 1997 were black and 25% were white, representing a gradual change from 1990, when blacks comprised 61% of admissions and whites 21% (table 6). The racial characteristics of persons admitted under 18 had shifted more dramatically between 1985 and 1990. During this period the percentage of black admissions increased from 53% to 62%, and the percentage of whites fell from 32% to 21%. Hispanic admissions, as a proportion of all persons under age 18 entering State prison, have remained stable from 1985 to 1997."
Source:
Strom, Kevin J., US Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Profile of State Prisoners Under Age 18, 1985-1997 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, February 2000), p. 6.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pspa1897.pdf

(1990) At the start of the 1990s, the U.S. had more Black men (between the ages of 20 and 29) under the control of the nation's criminal justice system than the total number in college. This and other factors have led some scholars to conclude that, "crime control policies are a major contributor to the disruption of the family, the prevalence of single parent families, and children raised without a father in the ghetto, and the 'inability of people to get the jobs still available.'"
Source:
Craig Haney, Ph.D., and Philip Zimbardo, Ph.D., "The Past and Future of U.S. Prison Policy: Twenty-five Years After the Stanford Prison Experiment," American Psychologist, Vol. 53, No. 7 (July 1998), p. 716.
http://www.prisonexp.org/pdf/ap1998.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9699456

(2005) "When incarceration rates by State (excluding Federal inmates) are estimated separately by gender, race, and Hispanic origin, male rates are found to be 10 times higher than female rates; black rates 5-1/2 times higher than white rates; and Hispanic rates nearly 2 times higher than white rates."
Source:
Harrison, Paige M., & Beck, Allen J., PhD, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prison and Jail Inmates at Midyear 2005 (Washington, DC: US Dept. of Justice, May 2006) (NCJ213133), p. 10.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf

(2007 - prison population by race and gender) "Looking at the numbers through the lenses of race and gender reveals stark differences. Black adults are four times as likely as whites and nearly 2.5 times as likely as Hispanics to be under correctional control. One in 11 black adults—9.2 percent—was under correctional supervision at year end 2007. And although the number of female offenders continues to grow, men of all races are under correctional control at a rate five times that of women."
Source:
Pew Center on the States, "One in 31: The Long Reach of American Coorections," (Washington, DC: The Pew Charitable Trusts, March 2009), p. 5.
http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/uploadedFiles/PSPP_1in31_report_FINA...

(2006 - state prisoners for drug offenses by race) Of the estimated 265,800 prisoners under state jurisdiction sentenced for drug offenses in 2006, 72,100 were white (27.1%), 117,600 were black (44.2%), and 55,700 were Hispanic (21%).
Source:
Sabol, William J.; West, Heather C.; and Cooper, Matthew, "Prisoners in 2008" Bureau of Justice Statistics (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, December 2009), NCJ228417. p. 37.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/p08.pdf
p. 37.

(2005 - race of drug offenders in state prison) Of the 253,300 state prison inmates serving time for drug offenses at yearend 2005, 113,500 (44.8%) were black, 51,100 (20.2%) were Hispanic, and 72,300 (28.5%) were white.
Source:
Sabol, William J., PhD, and West, Heather C., Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prisoners in 2007 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, December 2008), NCJ224280, p. 21, Appendix Table 10.
http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p07.pdf

(2004 - race and sex of state prisoners) "Offense distributions differed between sentenced male and female State prisoners. More than half of males (53%) were sentenced for violent offenses, compared to 34% of females. Among State prisoners, sentenced females were more likely than sentenced males to be sentenced for property (31% vs. 20%) and drug offenses (29% vs. 19%).

"There were also differences in offense distributions at yearend 2004 by race and Hispanic origin. A majority of black (53%) and Hispanic (54%) prisoners were sentenced for violent offenses, compared to about half (50%) of white prisoners. Blacks and Hispanics were more likely than whites to be sentenced for drug offenses (23% of blacks, 21% of Hispanics, and 15% of whites). Whites were more likely (26%) than blacks (18%) or Hispanics (18%) to be sentenced for property offenses."
Source:
Sabol, William J., PhD, Couture, Heather, and Harrison, Paige M., Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prisoners in 2006 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, December 2007), NCJ219416, p. 8.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/p06.pdf

Race & Prison - Research

(incarceration of young black men) "The spectacular growth in the American penal system over the last three decades was concentrated in a small segment of the population, among young minority men with very low levels of education. By the early 2000s, prison time was a common life event for this group, and today more than two-thirds of African American male dropouts are expected to serve time in state or federal prison. These demographic contours of mass imprisonment have created a new class of social outsiders whose relationship to the state and society is wholly different from the rest of the population."
Source:
Western , Bruce; Pettit, Becky, "Incarceration & social inequality," Dædalus (Cambridge, MA: American Academy of Arts and Sciences, Summer 2010), p. 16.
http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/DAED_a_00019

(effects of "three-strikes" laws) Due to harsh new sentencing guidelines, such as 'three-strikes, you're out,' "a disproportionate number of young Black and Hispanic men are likely to be imprisoned for life under scenarios in which they are guilty of little more than a history of untreated addiction and several prior drug-related offenses... States will absorb the staggering cost of not only constructing additional prisons to accommodate increasing numbers of prisoners who will never be released but also warehousing them into old age."
Source:
Craig Haney, Ph.D., and Philip Zimbardo, Ph.D., "The Past and Future of U.S. Prison Policy: Twenty-five Years After the Stanford Prison Experiment," American Psychologist, Vol. 53, No. 7 (July 1998), p. 718.
http://www.prisonexp.org/pdf/ap1998.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9699456

(prison - racial disparities) At the start of the 1990s, the U.S. had more Black men (between the ages of 20 and 29) under the control of the nation's criminal justice system than the total number in college. This and other factors have led some scholars to conclude that, "crime control policies are a major contributor to the disruption of the family, the prevalence of single parent families, and children raised without a father in the ghetto, and the 'inability of people to get the jobs still available.'"
Source:
Craig Haney, Ph.D., and Philip Zimbardo, Ph.D., "The Past and Future of U.S. Prison Policy: Twenty-five Years After the Stanford Prison Experiment," American Psychologist, Vol. 53, No. 7 (July 1998), p. 716.
http://www.csdp.org/research/haney_apa.pdf

"The racially disproportionate nature of the war on drugs is not just devastating to black Americans. It contradicts faith in the principles of justice and equal protection of the laws that should be the bedrock of any constitutional democracy; it exposes and deepens the racial fault lines that continue to weaken the country and belies its promise as a land of equal opportunity; and it undermines faith among all races in the fairness and efficacy of the criminal justice system. Urgent action is needed, at both the state and federal level, to address this crisis for the American nation."
Source:
Summary and Recommendations from "Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs" (Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch, June 2000)
http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/drugs/war/key-reco.htm
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00.htm#P103_18435

(2002 - HIV racial disparities in jails) "Among jail inmates in 2002 who had ever been tested for HIV, Hispanics (2.9%) were more than 3 times as likely as whites (0.8%) and twice as likely as blacks (1.2%) to report being HIV positive."
Source:
Maruschak, Laura M. "HIV In Prisons and Jails, 2002," NCJ-205333 (Washington, DC: Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Dec. 2004), p. 1.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/hivpj02.pdf

(2002 - AIDS deaths in local jails) "In 2002 the number of AIDS-related deaths in local jails was 42, down from 58 in 2000 (table 11). The rate of AIDS-related deaths was down from 9 per 100,000 inmates in 2000 to 6 per 100,000 in 2002. Of the 42 inmates who died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2002, 38 were male and 4 were female. Those who died from AIDS-related illnesses were most likely black (31 inmate deaths) and between the ages 35 and 44 (21 inmate deaths). Over the 3-year period beginning in 2000, a total of 155 local jail inmates died from AIDS-related causes."
Source:
Maruschak, Laura M. "HIV In Prisons and Jails, 2002," NCJ-205333 (Washington, DC: Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Dec. 2004), p. 10.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/hivpj02.pdf

Previously to that the FBI was commissioned by the federal government to release and sell heroin in to Black Panther Party neighborhoods. Have you heard of cointelpro programs, which are still going on today?
http://www.noi.org/cointelpro/

COINTELPRO Reading Room



COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic organizations deemed "subversive".

On March 8, 1971, a group of anonymous activists broke into the small, two-man office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Media, Pa., and stole more than 1,000 FBI documents that revealed years of systematic wiretapping, infiltration and media manipulation designed to suppress dissent. The Citizens' Commission to Investigate the FBI, as the group called itself, forced its way in at night with a crowbar while much of the country was watching the Muhammad Ali-Joe Frazier fight. When agents arrived for work the next morning, they found the file cabinets virtually emptied.

Within a few weeks, the documents began to show up -- mailed anonymously in manila envelopes with no return address -- in the newsrooms of major American newspapers.

COINTELPRO tactics included discrediting targets through psychological warfare, planting false reports in the media, smearing through forged letters, harassment, wrongful imprisonment, extralegal violence and assassination. Covert operations under COINTELPRO took place between 1956 and 1971, however the FBI has used covert operations against domestic political groups since its inception.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

In the 80's The CIA released crack in to Black neighborhoods. why, a social experiment to keep people down.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/pub...et_ties_between_CIA_drugs_revealed_2625.shtml

For nearly a decade the CIA, helped spread crack cocaine in Black ghettos

LOS ANGELES (FinalCall.com) - New evidence has surfaced linking the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency to the introduction of crack cocaine into Black neighborhoods with drug profits used to fund the CIA-backed Nicaraguan Contra army in the early 1980s.

This evidence has given credence to long-held suspicions of the U.S. government's role in undermining Black communities. According to a series of groundbreaking reports by the San Jose Mercury News, for the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring, comprised of CIA and U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency agents and informants, sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles.

Millions of dollars in drug profits were then funneled to the Fuerza Democratica Nicaraguense (Nicaraguan Democratic Force), the largest of several anti-Communists commonly called the Contras. The 5,000-man FDN was created in mid-1981 and run by both American and Nicaraguan CIA agents in its losing war against Nicaragua's Sandinista government, the Cuban-supported socialists who had overthrown U.S.-backed dictator Anastasio Somoza in 1979.

This CIA-backed drug network opened the first pipeline between Columbia's cocaine cartels and the Black neighborhoods of Compton and Los Angeles, according to the Mercury News.

In time, the cocaine that flooded Los Angeles helped spark a "crack explosion" in urban America and provided the cash and connections needed for Los Angeles's gangs to buy Uzi sub-machine guns, AK-47 rifles, and other assault weapons that would fuel deadly gang turf wars, drive-by shootings, murders and robberies -- courtesy of the U.S. government, according to the article.

"While the FDN's war is barely a memory today, Black America is still dealing with its poisonous side effects. Urban neighborhoods are grappling with legions of homeless crack addicts. Thousands of young Black men are serving long prison sentences for selling cocaine -- a drug that was virtually unobtainable in Black neighborhoods before members of the CIA's army started bring it into South Central in the 1980s at bargain basement prices," wrote Mercury News reporter Gary Webb, in the first installment of the shocking series of reports.

Although the Mercury News details the activities of numerous Nicaraguan and American informants and ties involved in the drug-gun trade, three men are cited as key players: Norwin Meneses, a Nicaraguan smuggler and FDN boss; Danilo Blandon, a cocaine supplier, top FDN civilian leader in California, and DEA informant; and Ricky Donnell Ross, a South Central Los Angeles high school dropout and drug trafficker of mythic proportions, who was Mr. Blandon's biggest customer.

According to the Mercury News article, for the better part of a decade, "Freeway Rick," as he was nicknamed, was unaware of his supplier's military and political connections.

But together, the trio was directly and indirectly responsible for introducing and selling crack cocaine as far away as Cleveland, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Dayton and St. Louis.

Ricky Ross' street connections, ability to obtain cocaine at low prices and deals that allowed him to receive drugs from Contra-CIA operatives with no money upfront helped him to undercut other dealers and quickly spread crack. He also sold crack wholesale to gangs across the country, said the Mercury News report.

Most of the information surrounding the CIA's involvement in the crack trade came from testimony in the March drug trafficking trial of Mr. Ross, 36, who, along with two other men were convicted of cocaine conspiracy charges in San Diego.

A federal judge indefinitely postponed Mr. Ross's Aug. 23 sentencing to grant his lawyer time to try to show that federal authorities misused DEA agent Mr. Blandon to entrap Mr. Ross in a "reverse" sting last year. Mr. Ross could receive life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Records show that Mr. Ross was still behind bars in Cincinnati in 1994, awaiting parole, when San Diego DEA agents targeted him for the reverse sting-- one in which government agents provide the drugs and the target provides the cash.

Though Mr. Blandon has admitted to crimes that have sent others away for life, the U.S. Justice Department turned him loose on unsupervised probation in 1994 after only 28 months behind bars and has paid him more than $166,000 since, court records show.

Mr. Blandon's boss in the FDN's cocaine operation, Norwin Meneses, has never spent a day in a U.S. prison, even though the federal government has been aware of his cocaine dealings since at least 1974, according to the Mercury News article.

For years, writers, authors, activists, gang members and others have implicated the U.S. government in the deadly crack cocaine-gun trade.

Many have charged the U.S. government with supplying gang members with these tools in an effort to undermine and eradicate the Black community through wanton murder, drug addiction and crime.

Some believe crack did not become an "American problem" until the drug began hitting white neighborhoods and affecting white children.

On Aug. 23, the Los Angeles City Council, responding to pressure by the Los Angeles Chapter of the Black American Political Association of California (BAPAC), asked U.S. Atty. Janet Reno to investigate the government's involvement in the alleged sale of illegal street drugs in Los Angeles' Black community to support the CIA-backed Contras.

BAPAC vice chairman Glen Brown told The Final Call that a federal agency monitored by a civilian advisory board is one way the government could investigate the matter because "we can't have people who are responsible for this investigate themselves."

BAPAC, a statewide coalition of political activists, has also demanded that the U.S. government provide the necessary funding, materials and labor to rebuild urban areas destroyed by crack cocaine, as well as the necessary medical care, education, counseling, and vocational training to restore shattered lives.

Long-term Los Angeles activists Chilton Alphonse, founder of the Community Youth Sports & Arts Foundation, which aids former gang members, said he briefly assisted Ricky Ross when the drug dealer was paroled from prison inn October 1994, after serving about half of a 10-year prison sentence in Cincinnati in exchange for his testimony against corrupt Los Angeles police detectives.

"He came back to Los Angeles and tried to get his life together," Mr. Alphonse said. "Rick was a legend in the streets. But he flipped (testified against law enforcement officers). He said they used him to skim money from him."

Mr. Alphonse was referring to Mr. Ross's 1991 testimony against Los Angeles Police Department narcotics detectives who had been fired or indicted along with dozens of deputies from the Los Angeles County sheriff's elite narcotics squads for allegedly beating suspects, stealing drug money and planting evidence.

Mr. Alphonse, who now resides in Alabama, said he has warned for years that the flood of crack cocaine and assault weapons into the Black community was not the doing of the Bloods and Crips.

"Inner city youth don't have the resources to manufacture cocaine or ship in guns," Mr. Alphonse said.

Others agree.

In December 1989, while head of the NAACP Los Angeles Chapter, Anthony A. Samad (then Anthony Essex) announced his findings that some Bloods and Crips members had implicated the U.S. government in the ruthless crack and assault weapons trade among Los Angeles street gangs. Mr. Samad said that he learned this after extensive interviews with gang members housed in Los Angeles County Jail. But he was largely ignored by Black elected officials, he said who sided with law enforcement.

"Gang members charged then that gang rivalry and drug wars were being perpetuated by the police and the government," said Mr. Samad, who is now president of Samad & Associates, a consulting firm.

Henry Stuckey, of Stop the Violence/Increase the Peace, said that government involvement in community drug trafficking was common knowledge in some circles.

"Obviously African American males didn't have planes and boats to move the guns and narcotics into the Black community." Mr. Stuckey said.

Mr. Stuckey said that Black and Latino youths must be appraised of the government's involvement in order to understand that their communities will continue to be the dumping grounds for guns and drugs unless the youths "do for self."

"I do think that the blame that was laid on the gangs was wrong," Mr. Stuckey said. "But I can't say that it vindicates them for their actions because they had a choice in the matter. (Still) it's horrible that the government targeted our youth."

Roland Freeman, a spokesperson for the Los Angeles Chapter of the International Campaign to Free Geronimo Pratt, is a former member of the Black Panther Party. The BPP was targeted and ultimately nullified by FBI counterintelligence programs.

Mr. Freeman said he knows firsthand of the deceit of which the government is capable; a government, he said, that tries to "set itself up as if it's higher than God when really it's lower than the devil."

"(They put) small pox in the Indian's blankets and gave them fire water," Mr. Freeman said. "They make drugs available to Blacks and other minorities. It only surprises me that (the CIA) got caught."

The CIA still continues today.
http://www.ciadrugs.com/

Sham and Corrupt War on Drugs

This site, the books referred to, the related documents, can provide the you with evidence constituting case studies revealing the following:

Understanding the mentality and culture within the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and other government entities that have inflicted catastrophic harm throughout the world, with tragic consequences upon the men, women, and families of the United States. Two of the most prominent areas in which the CIA's conduct has had catastrophic consequences for Americans have been in its 50-year history of drug smuggling into the United States, and its role in generating hatred for the United States throughout the world.
As it relates to the role of terrorism against the United States, the books, Drugging America and Defrauding America, contains sections showing how the CIA aided the acts of terrorists. Several sections in Defrauding America relate to the role of a CIA-DEA drug smuggling operation to terrorism.
Most of the current media and public attention is focused on the matter of terrorism. However, the harm to national security, the harm to the people of the United States from then arrogant and corrupt war on drugs by America's "leaders" constitutes a greater threat, and the source of far greater harm to the people, than the threat of terrorism. The terrorism threat has been a fortuitous event for the people in key government positions that were close to being exposed for their direct or cover-up involvement in drug smuggling by people acting under cover of government positions.

Discover how the CIA drug smuggling operation assisted in the planting of the bomb on Pan Am Flight 103 that exploded over Lockerbie. (Details in Unfriendly Skies: 20th & 21st Centuries, October 2009 and later revisions.)

Those people for whom all hope is lost, sentenced to life in prison or long prison terms, can get relief if enough good people would become aware of the evidence detailed in this and related Internet sites, in lawsuits, and in the print books, Drugging America, Defrauding America, and strange as it may seem, Unfriendly Skies. In addition, if the subsequent editions in E-book format (for downloading) are read, the ties between the corrupt war on drugs and the events of September 11, 2001, will become easier to understand.

Those people for whom all hope is lost, sentenced to life in prison or long prison terms, can get relief if enough good people would become aware of the evidence detailed in this and related Internet sites, in lawsuits, and in the print books, Drugging America, Defrauding America, and strange as it may seem, Unfriendly Skies. In addition, if the subsequent editions in E-book format (for downloading) are read, the ties between the corrupt war on drugs and the events of September 11, 2001, will become easier to understand.

Another section describes how CIA and FBI personnel rejected the offer of several dozen surface-to-air missiles by Afghan General Dostum in 1995, allowing the missiles to be acquired by Afghan terrorists, including probably Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda group. The downing of TWA Flight 800 occurred several months later. These missiles are available to bring down U.S. aircraft as other missiles have been bringing down aircraft for many years in Africa. It is also of interest that a CIA-front law firm in San Francisco, Friedman, Sloan and Ross, played a key role in sham legal actions against a former federal agent that were intended to halt the exposure of corruption in government offices and government covert operations. The exposure actions of that agent sought to expose, among other areas, the corruption within the FAA that insured the success of the September 11, 2001, terrorists, prior fatal hijackings, and a number of prior fraud-related airline disasters−including the prior United Airlines crash into New York City. (Details in Unfriendly Skies: 20th & 21st Centuries.)
The information included in this site and in the books containing reference to CIA activities comes from an unprecedented group of insiders consisting of former agents of the FBI, DEA, Customs, INS, CIA−including former heads of secret CIA airlines and secret CIA financial operations.

Discover the close links between the arrogant and corrupt war on drugs and the corruption that brought about conditions that encouraged and insured the success of the four groups of terrorist hijackers on September 11−and 40 years of prior fatal hijackings.

All of these pages and on the links, and the books, will provide the ammunition to fight the government's arrogant and corrupt war on drugs, and this evaluation can start by clicking here. Another slant to the so-called war-on-drugs, showing it to be more of an attack upon America's men and women by people in control of the three branches of the federal government can be found by clicking here. But read the books!
Information to reduce your chances of being falsely charged and imprisoned on drug related offenses, and show how almost anyone can and often is falsely charged, stripped of assets, and imprisoned.

Information from insiders about drug money going to politicians, involvement of key politicians in prior drug operations, CIA money funding secret bank accounts of key politicians, as revealed by CIA and other insiders.


Information showing why the system will not change, who would be threatened by changes, who profits from putting men and women in prison, and how the so-called war-on-drugs is simply another form of activity targeting the American people involving their "leaders."
Evidence that could assist courageous people to force major changes in the so-called war on drugs−if such people could ever be found!.

Documented information that can bring about the release from prison of many men and women whose lives have been ruined by the corruption in the three branches of government.


The corruption related to illegal drugs is only one tentacle to a far more broader area of corruption.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Testy, aren't we?

If you think that mj legalization is comparable, and thus open to using the same tools to bring it to the forefront of people's minds as the examples given, you are delusional. Slavery, war, women's suffrage, etc. diminish the mj movement to laughable insignificance. In California, at least, we have (or had, at least) legal medical usage. Do you think that this came about as a result of civil disobedience "awakening" voters? No, it came about as expression of compassion for AID's and cancer patients, by their neighbors, to enable them a bit of relief. I think that it is far more effective to demonstrate that the propaganda of the last 75 years is bullshit by living a life that is at odds with what this misinformation has said will be the result of mj usage.

And yes, Dagnabit, I think that "my" way is working "soooo well". You are interchanging the response of LEO with the general populace. We have made remarkable progress in the last 15 years - the majority of Californians voted in 215, and don't forget, we came very close to approving recreational usage with 19. Had it not been for people on "our side" torpedoing the legislation, California would now have the most lax mj laws in the world. I still cannot wrap my head around that one. If your neighbors respond as you stated in your post, I pity you and suggest that you move to a more enlightened area. That is certainly not representative of mine.

You do not have legal mmj. the federal government hates it and if they had the cooperation and resources they would shut down and imprison everyone involved. They already do as much as they can now. They will abuse you, and your family. they will shoot your dog. Last year they shot 2 corgi. those are 35 pound little dogs. not a threat. They will steal all of your money, and property, and sell it at auction and fine you more on top of that. then they will throw you in prison. If the federal government catches you with weed in your house and you have kids you will lose your kids.

I just have difficulty believing that there is much benefit in being confrontational with the opposition if we can't even get our own people to vote appropriately when legalization, or at least the closest version to it that we have ever seen, is sitting on the table and ready to go (19).

^this is a much better way to present your argument to me. it is simple and truthful, and does not offend me or the site. When you say it this way I can see your point. I can counter by saying I just like to lead by example, and be a muse of shit starting with authority. lol. Stoners need something like this to get motivated. It is not that weed makes us lazy just content with our peaceful lives. apathy can lead to bad things, so I just like to remind people to care and attack the issue on all fronts.