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[DiscoBiscuit]

Oh my f'n gawd... I agree with Terrible Ted

Oh my f'n gawd... I agree with Terrible Ted

Nugent Blames Ohio Governor For Lax Animal Law.

Karen Bouffard / Detroit News Lansing Bureau
Last Updated: October 20. 2011 11:37AM

Lansing— Ted Nugent has a bone to pick with Ohio Gov. John Kasich over an exotic animal escape near Zanesville that captivated the nation Wednesday.

The Motor City Madman and conservation activist monitored the situation from a hunting cabin on his 1,200-acre Jackson County farm, and said Kasich was to blame for failing to ban exotic animal ownership.

"I'm going to make a call to Gov. Kasich because he (ended) an executive order by the previous governor that did prohibit and control wild animal ownership," Nugent told The Detroit News on Wednesday. "These are real, wild, dangerous, capable and dangerous animals and they belong in the wild."

Many residents of the rural community about 55 miles east of Columbus expressed fear Wednesday after the owner of an exotic game preserve freed scores of animals before committing suicide.

Deputies were reported to have killed nearly 50 animals by late Wednesday afternoon, including 18 tigers and 17 lions, with half a dozen more delivered to the Columbus Zoo.

The incident occurred amid controversy over bills that passed in the Michigan Senate last week and are under review in the House to amend the state's Large Carnivore Act. Sen. Joe Hune, R-Hamburg, said the bills would make it harder to bring exotic species into Michigan — but critics including Detroit Zoo Director Ron Kagan say the legislation would lower standards.

"We have a law in Michigan that would prevent a gentleman like this from operating today," Hune said. "My bills would make it more difficult to bring exotic animals in — for one thing they'd have to be microchipped."

Said Nugent: "I think it's a downright tragedy when people attempt to keep dangerous wild animals in captivity — I think it should be criminal."

Asked if there are any wild animals on his Jackson County spread, the Guitar Wildman said there's just one.

"I'm the only dangerous carnivore on the property as we speak," Nugent said. "And I'm totally controlled by Mrs. Nugent."

kbouffard@detnews.com
http://www.detnews.com/article/2011...ugent-blames-Ohio-governor-for-lax-animal-law

 

[SeaMaiden]

sure, it is not the function of the police to make these laws, but it is their function to enforce them, period.

guess who gets called when an unruly dog bites a citizen? the cops.

debating this fact is what is specious.

cops enabled the idiot to hoard the animals in the first place; conclusion: the cops are in big part responsible and hence incompetent.

I honestly think you're looking to blame the police for anything you can.

When you make a call about abused animals, that does not fall under the purview of police, it is under the purview of local animal control. That's who handles those calls. The police aren't called unless someone is being attacked.

Since *when* is it up to police to begin checking private property to see if they're hoarding anything? Is that really what you're advocating? Seriously?

The situation prior to the OWNER'S actions did not automagically make police responsible, legally or otherwise. What, exactly, would you have had them do? How do you figure they enabled Mr. Thompson?

I find myself wondering what direct experience you have dealing with hoarders and exotics. Smaller exotics aren't so difficult, but the larger ones definitely are. The point that's actually salient, however, are the laws that make it possible to die in the state of Ohio by tiger. THAT is what's really wrong and therefore the burden of responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of lawmakers, not those tasked with enforcement.

 

[bombadil.360]

Sea, after citizens made several complaints that the guy was holding these animals, that's when the police should have gone to see what was happening; and when they saw what the idiot had, they should have taken action; so yes, they are responsible; they didn't not respond to the calls, nor tried to check what was happening.

and I'm not a cop hater, nor a cop lover either; just seeing it from my point of view.

just do not see how the police shares no responsability when the fact that complaints were made about the idiot holding the animals were made and the cops did nothing about it.

obviously the people made the complaints because they saw that a situation like the one that happened was a possibility. cops did not respond, so this means negligence and incompetence.

and like I said, the police do get called about unruly dogs that have bitten someone. don't say they do not respond to this because all you need to do is google the situation and see the cases yourself.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Sea, after citizens made several complaints that the guy was holding these animals, that's when the police should have gone to see what was happening; and when they saw what the idiot had, they should have taken action;

In Ohio, there are next to no laws preventing the hoarding of exotic animals.

so yes, they are responsible; they didn't not respond to the calls, nor tried to check what was happening. and I'm not a cop hater, nor a cop lover either; just seeing it from my point of view.

just do not see how the police shares no responsability when the fact that complaints were made about the idiot holding the animals were made and the cops did nothing about it.

Cops don't make laws. Cops enforce laws. If anybody let you down it was state and or local lawmakers. Cops don't have the constitutional authority to enforce laws that don't exist.

obviously the people made the complaints because they saw that a situation like the one that happened was a possibility. cops did not respond, so this means negligence and incompetence.

Nobody imagined the nut turning his animals loose and killing himself. The governor says he was in the process of dealing with what amounts to the laxest laws in the nation. Now they just have to expedite the process.

and like I said, the police do get called about unruly dogs that have bitten someone. don't say they do not respond to this because all you need to do is google the situation and see the cases yourself.

Sorry, domestic pet laws don't apply to exotic animals.

 

[FreezerBoy]

and like I said, the police do get called about unruly dogs that have bitten someone. don't say they do not respond to this because all you need to do is google the situation and see the cases yourself.

You're comparing a pissy Chihuahua to large roaming prides of man eating tigers and lions?

If you don't like police keeping communities safe from large packs of man eaters, go do something about it. Go tell the Moms and Dads of Ohio that you're feeding their babies to the lions and see how far you get. Blaming the police for not doing your job for you, especially after risking life and limb to save those in their care, is an indefensible and genocidal position.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I watched Jack Hannah on Maddow. Hanna explained the decision to kill the animals was hastened by approaching nightfall and disease.

Maddow chastised the governor for rescinding his predecessor's executive order regulating exotic animals. Hanna fired back and defended the governor, suggesting the executive order wasn't complete, it was only preliminarily invoked. Apparently the executive order mandated changes but enforcement costs money so Kasich waxed the order entirely. Now he has to expedite from scratch.

 

[guest3901]

Too soon?

 

[dubwise]

I think we're all missing the point of this......lets look into our own state laws and see if we can all own wild man eating beasts! That's got to be one of the best ways to protect against rippers. Maybe we could cross bread some and sell 'em on the bay!

 

[SeaMaiden]

Sea, after citizens made several complaints that the guy was holding these animals, that's when the police should have gone to see what was happening; and when they saw what the idiot had, they should have taken action; so yes, they are responsible; they didn't not respond to the calls, nor tried to check what was happening.

and I'm not a cop hater, nor a cop lover either; just seeing it from my point of view.

just do not see how the police shares no responsability when the fact that complaints were made about the idiot holding the animals were made and the cops did nothing about it.

obviously the people made the complaints because they saw that a situation like the one that happened was a possibility. cops did not respond, so this means negligence and incompetence.

and like I said, the police do get called about unruly dogs that have bitten someone. don't say they do not respond to this because all you need to do is google the situation and see the cases yourself.

What would you have the police do? They can't just charge in and start taking possession of animals, that requires a judge's orders, a ruling. And that requires a hearing. Clearly, if there were already a ruling in place the animals would have already been removed. Outside of an emergency the police cannot take any other action.

 

[dubwise]

I have to agree that the police aren't at fault here. I'd say it's the legislatures fault for allowing this type of thing to go on. If there were so many complaints, why didn't animal control step in. We see animal control stepping in here all the time with puppy mills or dog fighting camps.

 

[MIway]

"These are real, wild, dangerous, capable and dangerous animals and they belong in the wild."

Said Nugent: "I think it's a downright tragedy when people attempt to keep dangerous wild animals in captivity — I think it should be criminal."

Asked if there are any wild animals on his Jackson County spread, the Guitar Wildman said there's just one.

"I'm the only dangerous carnivore on the property as we speak," Nugent said. "And I'm totally controlled by Mrs. Nugent."http://www.detnews.com/article/2011...ugent-blames-Ohio-governor-for-lax-animal-law

yeah that... it's kind of 'immoral' to cage wild animals & then condemn them to that existence, which even in the best of our zoos is somewhat lacking. pretty conceited of us to claim this right unto other species, and in such an irresponsible manner. eh, manifest destiny i guess, we are the chosen ones after all.

The point that's actually salient, however, are the laws that make it possible to die in the state of Ohio by tiger. THAT is what's really wrong and therefore the burden of responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of lawmakers, not those tasked with enforcement.

exactly... i was pullin for the lions & tigers to eat as many people as possible... vindication!

truthfully & sincerely... putting most of them down is likely the most 'humane' interaction they would have with people... zoos aren't much better & ultimately economics would drive every decision/outcome, not their well being, ya know?

regulating em should be easy... just not allowed.

 

[NOKUY]

yeah that... it's kind of 'immoral' to cage wild animals & then condemn them to that existence, which even in the best of our zoos is somewhat lacking. pretty conceited of us to claim this right unto other species, and in such an irresponsible manner. eh, manifest destiny i guess, we are the chosen ones after all.

exactly!!!!

humans these days are pretty much morally bankrupt anyway...so no surprise