Wild animals

[dddaver]

I thought I saw a thread about this, I just couldn't find it. Anyways, yesterday it was all over the news about all those wild animals being killed in Ohio "to protect public safety". One clip showed this blowhard sheriff talking alongside Jack Hanna. The sheriff was talking about the guy who killed himself after letting loose all those animals. He was saying the cops have dealt with this guy many times and have been to house a lot responding to complaints concerning those animals.

Just before I saw that the reporter said that guy had been in jail once for over a year and only had permits for the 4 bears. Then he went on to say 8 Bengal tigers were killed and there were only 2400 of them left in the world.

All the while that sheriff spoke I was thinking, "What the hell? Isn't there any code enforcement there?" Isn't the cops job to serve and PROTECT?"

I might have heard that all wrong. But if not, that's a MAJOR fuck-up. And the pigs fault entirely. There are a lot of nutbags out there now. We know that. WTF?

 

[Choc]

the thread is called just when you thought you couldn't hate the cops even more...

 

[longearedfriend]

^^

 

[SeaMaiden]

So let me make sure I've got this right --no culpability or responsibility on the part of the asshole who acquired the animals and then set them loose. Do I have that right?

 

[Brother Bear]

He committed suicide after he set them loose.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Yes, but I don't understand how that translates into this being the fault of police.

 

[FreezerBoy]

Someone has confused Ohio PD with the ASPCA. How is protecting the community from 18 man eating tigers, not to mention lions, grizzlies and others, not a service to the community?

Yes, the story's tragic. Sure, we'd prefer a better solution but, if saving these animals is so important to you, go do it yourself. The police haven't the training, the supplies, the obligation, or the mandate.

The fault here is with the owner. In a fraction of the time it took to release the animals, he could've left them caged and sent an email to animal control.

 

[bombadil.360]

the fault is with the police from the start; because how was this idiot able to own all these animals? why didn't the police locked him up for violating the law? as it is obviously against the law to own bengal tigers without the proper liscenses, funds and infrastructure.

incompetence on the part of the police enabled this idiot to hoard all these animals to begin with.

so the cops can find an indoor grow of 10 plants but they cannot find someone illegally holding all these wild animals ? please....

 

[Vitamin THC]

yeah this sucks and all but you can't really blame the police its a residential neighborhood with lions,tigers,bears and diseased monkeys running around something had to be done fast human life is more important then animal life.

 

[SeaMaiden]

The fault lies with assholes who think it's cool to own these poor animals and any state that allows it. It is not a function of the police to make the laws that address ownership of exotics and the assertion that they do is specious.

 

[bombadil.360]

The fault lies with assholes who think it's cool to own these poor animals and any state that allows it. It is not a function of the police to make the laws that address ownership of exotics and the assertion that they do is specious.

sure, it is not the function of the police to make these laws, but it is their function to enforce them, period.

guess who gets called when an unruly dog bites a citizen? the cops.

debating this fact is what is specious.

cops enabled the idiot to hoard the animals in the first place; conclusion: the cops are in big part responsible and hence incompetent.

 

[FreezerBoy]

tthe fault is with the police from the start;

The police did not buy the animals. The police did not keep the animals. The police did not commit suicide after releasing wild animals into the general population. That was the owner, who bears sole responsibility for his actions.

The police risked their lives protecting those in their charge. Why not "blame" them for that?

If you want to save the animals, go do it. It's not the policeman's job.

 

[juicepuddle]

All the while that sheriff spoke I was thinking, "What the hell? Isn't there any code enforcement there?" Isn't the cops job to serve and PROTECT?"

Maybe its just where I live but to be honest, I expect every cop I meet to abuse every power he can possibly abuse under the law, they will abuse any power they can abuse, without being caught.

Cops may be here to "serve and protect" but I am more afraid of police then "criminals". I don't expect them to enforce code, unless it benefits them directly, or they are feeling like fucking with some people who have no way to defend themselves.

 

[bombadil.360]

The police did not buy the animals. The police did not keep the animals. The police did not commit suicide after releasing wild animals into the general population. That was the owner, who bears sole responsibility for his actions.

The police risked their lives protecting those in their charge. Why not "blame" them for that?

If you want to save the animals, go do it. It's not the policeman's job.

the incomptence of the police enabled this idiot to hoard all these animals...

just check how many complaints were there about this guy and the police did not do anything...

incompetent and guilty, there's really no debate here.

 

[dddaver]

the fault is with the police from the start; because how was this idiot able to own all these animals? why didn't the police locked him up for violating the law? as it is obviously against the law to own bengal tigers without the proper liscenses, funds and infrastructure.

incompetence on the part of the police enabled this idiot to hoard all these animals to begin with.

so the cops can find an indoor grow of 10 plants but they cannot find someone illegally holding all these wild animals ? please....

Yup thanks. That's what I was trying to say.

All that other shit is extraneous. Culpability lies with the assholes that saw there was a problem but did nothing to take any action. It's like a blind man standing on a train track with a train bearing down on him. Then he gets hit, is it his fault, the conductors fault, the people who should have put up warning signs that he couldn't see anway, or maybe the poor dudes that have to mop up the bloody mess? Or is it responsibly of the duly appointed, sworn officers, who we all pay taxes toward their salary for that very reason, who is supposed to push him out of the way.

But argue this all you want. Win this Special Olympics race. You win. What evs.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Someone has confused Ohio PD with the ASPCA. How is protecting the community from 18 man eating tigers, not to mention lions, grizzlies and others, not a service to the community?

Yes, the story's tragic. Sure, we'd prefer a better solution but, if saving these animals is so important to you, go do it yourself. The police haven't the training, the supplies, the obligation, or the mandate.

The fault here is with the owner. In a fraction of the time it took to release the animals, he could've left them caged and sent an email to animal control.

FreezerBoy is 100% right in this matter.


Do you know how much tranq juice to use in each dart depending on the animals size??? Do you know how to estimate size of each animal, use too much juice and the animal dies, use too little juice and YOU die. No you don't and neither do the cops. It takes a team of 3 to tranquilize an animal properly, now X's that by 35. The cops just don't have the skills, equipment and knowledge that specialized teams of zoologists possess, never mind the manpower to do it all in one day or those cats would've started roaming.



Do you want to be the hero???

Go to your local butcher/grocery store and buy a bunch of soup bones, buy some dog biscuits along with some wet dog food and wet cat food & kitty treats then go visit your local humane society with these goods, try to have a cash donation for them as well.

Wanna feel real good about doing that? then leave right away.

wanna leave in tears? then stick around and allow them to take you on a tour of the facility, that's what I did last week. It cost me about $90 and made me wish I had $9000 to donate.


so can you say 'no' to that next bag of weed in order to help feed some lonely and forgotten pets? if you need your weed to cope w/life how about giving up date night out. Some/most of these cats & dogs will never hear the comforting sounds of a family laughing while watching TV ever again, never a loving scratch; they spend their lives in wire cages hoping to be freed and loved again, please consider offering them some comfort with quality treats/food. if you can't afford that much then donate a bit less or gather those food goods over a month or two & visit when you've gathered plenty.......

 

[F. Dupp]

Go to your local butcher/grocery store and buy a bunch of soup bones, buy some dog biscuits along with some wet dog food and wet cat food & kitty treats then go visit your local humane society with these goods, try to have a cash donation for them as well.

Wanna feel real good about doing that? then leave right away.

wanna leave in tears? then stick around and allow them to take you on a tour of the facility, that's what I did last week. It cost me about $90 and made me wish I had $9000 to donate.


so can you say 'no' to that next bag of weed in order to help feed some lonely and forgotten pets? if you need your weed to cope w/life how about giving up date night out. Some/most of these cats & dogs will never hear the comforting sounds of a family laughing while watching TV ever again, never a loving scratch; they spend their lives in wire cages hoping to be freed and loved again, please consider offering them some comfort with quality treats/food. if you can't afford that much then donate a bit less or gather those food goods over a month or two & visit when you've gathered plenty.......

Great idea, Stoner. I will take my son to the humane society and do that this weekend.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Great idea, Stoner. I will take my son to the humane society and do that this weekend.

that's great F Dupp, a youngster can learn a lot from seeing the other side of irresponsible pet care.




these facilities also accept donations such as:

disposable latex gloves, scented floor cleaner, paper towels, bleach - Clorox/Hilex, air fresheners, regular trash bags, spray cleaner w/bleach, antibacterial hand soap, disinfectant spray, laundry detergent, cat litter- plain clay, sanitizing wipes etc...

just in case you have access to some of these on the cheap.

 

[SimplySour]

Do you understand how difficult it is to enforce this shit while dealing with law suits and court injunctions. The police have been working with Hanna and the ASPCA for years trying to remedy this situation, but all of the rights fall on the side of the piece of shit who hoards the animals. Nothing in the courts is a fast process, and the cops did an excellent job in this situation.

They attempted to tranquilize many of these animals, and only turned to deadly force when necessary. Imagine if a kid had been killed, or a family mauled because the police didn't act, then what would you be saying.

I'm all for holding cops accountable when they fuck up, but stretching a situation, especially one like this where they performed brilliantly, to try and place blame does nothing but discredit your opinions.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ohio's Exotic Animal Law Under Fire

By: Steve Wainfor
Published: October 19, 2011

ZANESVILLE, Ohio --

"We have some animal auctions in Ohio that have to be shut down. Shut down. And we have to have strict permitting process here,” stated Jack Hanna, the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium director emeritus.

Hanna said there need to be stronger laws in place and that Terry Thompson was able to have these animals because of auctions in the state.

Right now, Ohio only has regulations on breeders or exhibitors of exotic animals.

The current law states that owners must have a health certificate for each animal and they need to have a certificate of inspection by a veterinarian.

The Humane Society of the United States has named Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Oklahoma and Ohio as the worst in the nation in policies on keeping dangerous animals as pets. Wayne Pecelle, with the Humane Society of the United States, said Ohio needs to act now.

"These animals only belong in a credited sanctuaries and zoos, not in private hands. And the state should immediately adopt and emergency rule to forbid this private ownership with dangerous exotic animals," Pecelle said.

Several organizations were called to the chaotic scene including the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. They said they have no way of knowing how many exotic animal owners there are in the state.

"With respect to this facility that were dealing with today in Muskingum County, it was not an exhibitor. It was not a breeder. Therefore it was not a regulated facility," explained Scott Zody, interim director of ODNR.

Zody said they have been working closely on a task force with the governor's office developing new rules for exotic animal regulations. He said that in the next 30 days, they will have a draft to present to the legislature.

Pecelle said that Ohio needs to make the new laws a priority.

"Are there any good outcomes here? There are only terrible outcomes and the only reason to not change the policy is the stubborn refusal to not see what is happening in the state of Ohio," Pecelle said.

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/oct/19/ohios-exotic-animal-law-ar-794225/

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