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Oct. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Patrick Chovanec, a professor at Tsinghua University in Beijing, talks about China's economy. Chovanec speaks with Susan Li on Bloomberg Television's "First Up." (Source: Bloomberg)
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — China is heading into an economic storm, and the much-feared hard-landing of the world’s second-largest economy has already started, warned celebrated hedge-fund manager and China-bear Jim Chanos of Kynikos Associates on Monday.
“The numbers are falling faster than we thought,” said Chanos during an exclusive interview with MarketWatch on the sidelines of the 7th Annual New York Value Investing Congress.
“Real estate sales in September and October, which are peak months, fell 40%-60% on-year,” he said.
Chanos also pointed out that Chinese financial and real-estate stocks are down 30% from their peak, while cement and steel prices are declining.
“People are buying into the idea of perpetual growth,” Chanos said. “But they have to ask, ‘Are you really growing?’”
Chanos stressed that investors should understand that there is no bailout without a cost.
“The only way the Chinese government can continue to bail out everyone is to print more money, which will lead to inflation. But people are depositing money [in banks] at below inflation,” the fund manager said.
Chanos had already suggested back in May that there were clear signs of excess supply in China’s commercial real-estate sector.
About 14% of office space in Beijing and 9% in Shanghai was vacant, according to data he cited at the time.
“Western investors must remember that Chinese consumers are not the next big hope,” he said.
You know those will only be good if the market makes a big swing one way or the other. I don't deal much with out of the money stuff any more. I don't know that were the market is at now supports a good entry for out of the money stuff.I want to buy out of the money options on some indices anyone got opinions on this?
That old pattern I was watching got blown apart but interesting to see those trend lines still working a bit.not sure how you came up with a wedge
That old pattern I was watching got blown apart but interesting to see those trend lines still working a bit.
That old pattern I was watching got blown apart but interesting to see those trend lines still working a bit.
Refuted after by the EU itself.NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks rallied Tuesday, adding to gains late in the session, after a British newspaper reported that France and Germany had reached an agreement to bolster the euro area’s rescue fund.
“This rally seems different, and the news and actions out of Europe seem more substantial,” said Jeff Kleintop, chief market strategist for LPL Financial. “The news out of Europe has taken the fear of a 2008-like financial crisis off the table, although certainly there are still lingering issues,” he added.
So the rumor mill hilarity continues. The article did it's job though. Prop up the market with lies for a few hours.LONDON-(Dow Jones)- European officials are still debating the size of the bailout fund for the euro zone and reports that an agreement has been reached to leverage it to EUR2 trillion are "totally wrong," an official familiar with the negotiations said.
European officials are working toward resolving the euro zone crisis and will be meeting over the weekend. A report in the Guardian newspaper suggested the EUR440 billion European Financial Stability Facility could be levered up to increase its firepower and the euro shot higher but EU officials have dismissed the report.
"Leveraging the EFSF is still being debated," a person with direct knowledge of the discussions said. "We may have a decision on the size by the summit or just a statement that firepower must be increased. But there no talk about an amount around EUR2 trillion. Such reports of an agreement between France and Germany are totally wrong."
I see dead people.also I see a pennant
A little surprised companies like MCP and REE are not doing a bit better with China basically shutting down the world's rare earth market.I dumped my long position in MCP @ $37.55 after it had tanked much lower in the morning. Was glad to get out, but within 5 minutes, it ran up another $2!
A little surprised companies like MCP and REE are not doing a bit better with China basically shutting down the world's rare earth market.
Wild swing today. DJIA comes back from -100 and tanking in the morning to close up 187. Wow! What caused this rally? The Guardian released a story that France and Germany had reached an agreement to expand the EFSF to 2T. "Europe is saved!" :yay:
U.S. stocks lifted further by Europe report
Refuted after by the EU itself.
DJ EU Source: No EFSF Deal Til Friday, EUR2 Trillion Number 'Simplistic'
So the rumor mill hilarity continues. The article did it's job though. Prop up the market with lies for a few hours.
I see dead people.
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I see dead banks.I see dead people.