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DiscoBiscuit

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Check out the web site. Consider signing the petition. No soliciting, just a big ass petition demanding Congress overturn Citizens United.
 
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buy my math we have a 152% chance of not listening to or not giving a shit about what anyone but ourselves think ...... i wonder which side caused that problem? seems to me just about everyones situation sucks in one way or another ............. and we sit and point fingers at each other.

i have always payed my taxes because i really don't want the government fucking with me ....... it is not that i trust them to do anything sensible with my money. yeah the guy who gets a fucking check on april 15th without paying anything all year pisses me off, but i blame the fucks who send him the check ........ i think the last time i got a tax refund was about 25 years ago,and i was happier than hell to cash that check, but it was my money in the first place.

if i got to put any demands on any list i think it would be a flat tax rate. seems like that would give us less to "exchange opinions" about ......... but i am probably wrong about that too.

we are all standing in front of the augean stables folks ....... and our collective leaders dammed the river about 1000 miles upstream while we watched. this can only get shittier
 

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So is anyone else following the bailout bonanza solvency/liquidity crisis going on in Europe right now?

Their banks are failing. Dexia (world's largest municipal lender) failed over the weekend. Merkel and Sarkozy have promised a grand plan to make a plan to bailout all of the European banks by Nov3. No details were announced, of course, because there is no politically viable plan.

Unlike in Fascist USA where Hank Paulson can wave a wand and demand supreme fascist rights to bail out his Wall Street cronies, in Europe 17 countries with different self interests have to agree on a multi trillion dollar bailout for insolvent banks once again to be paid for by the tax payer slaves. Their tax payer slaves are getting restless. Ours too now with OWS.

American taxpayers have been bailing out Europe for a while via the IMF. Glad I know my hard earned money is getting put to good use. And people wonder why there is no more incentive to be great or even be productive in this country.

We are making progress towards then end of this bailout insanity. The end being when the banker puppet politicians promise to bail everyone out again, but the market laughs at them realizing the insanity of piling on more bad debt to fix insolvent bad debt and promptly implodes. Only then will true economic recovery start.

The faster the better. Print print bail bail I say. Get it over with. We are at the point where all central banks are in a state of continuous intervention to keep the ponzi propped up. The next step is when the bailouts finally stop rallying markets. Then the central banks will all announce that they will print "whatever is necessary to stabilize the financial system." The Rubicon will be crossed at this point. This can go on for a little while, but fiat currencies will collapse shortly after. Same shit different century.

Occupy the FED! :joint:
 
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... We are at the point where all central banks are in a state of continuous intervention to keep the ponzi propped up.

Because for more than 3 decades, investment banks bought off the politicians who would otherwise regulate systemic risk and too-big-to-fail entities. The same tactics that allow your portfolio to gain are threatening long term investments as a whole. That's how old money gets richer, absorbing our losses with each bust.

Printing money isn't a strategy. It's a tactic used because the very system that would mitigate risk has been bought off by the system that generates risk.

The folks blaming Ben for pushing the economic wagon off the cliff are some of the same folks pushing the investment wagon off the cliff. Hopefully they get it timed right and everybody blames it on the Fed. It's the same thing that happened with the housing bust. Big investment banks blame buyers and the few rogue lenders when they know there aren't any statistics supporting their claims.

Gramps, I'm not saying you're risking long term security for fast gain. But the folks you're listening to sure are.
 
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lol. disparage what ye cannot refute, indeed. Look at the heaps of trash, and seriously... a guy shitting on a car cannot even get a correct angle.

Most of the occupiers are dogma receptacles. They know buzzwords and logic patterns given to them. The Chicago crowd I see daily is quite virulent and stinky

I also find it funny that you know their message
 

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lol. disparage what ye cannot refute, indeed. Look at the heaps of trash, and seriously... a guy shitting on a car cannot even get a correct angle.

Yeah and the bagger who incited a pepper spray episode in DC got sprayed himself. Did you have a problem with baggers spitting on lawmakers, while other lawmakers cheered from the windows and balconies?

Most of the occupiers are dogma receptacles. They know buzzwords and logic patterns given to them. The Chicago crowd I see daily is quite virulent and stinky.
Yep, compared to the guys that had air conditioned buses bringing em in and taking em home every night. Oh, that's right. Baggers didn't protest more than a few hours at a time. Even Right Guard can handle that. As long as these protesters are largely peaceful, who cares about one 'virulent' opinion.

I also find it funny that you know their message
Not funny at all. You actually sound a bit bigoted. After all, why would I advocate the 1% if I'm not a member? Now that's funny.

If I did advocate top-down economic policies, I'd promote their positive aspects. Turning my nose up at the protesters would be weak. But I realize that's about all there is when top-down policies leave only down results for a big chunk of the population.
 
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What's a better term for appearing to stereotype such large demonstrations? It's not so much the recognition of less than eye candy, it's the implied presumption that they and or the message is all the same.

I don't have a problem with government-spending protesters. They don't have any solutions but that's not a requirement to protest. I don't agree with their bottom line opinions but I realize we have to cut substantially.

And there's a few Tea Partyers giving their movement a sullied image. But the vast majority are peaceful protesters. I just disagree with their fundamental nature that seems to overemphasize drastic measures. But that's just my opinion.

And I don't consider defecating in public acceptable. Anybody doing that should be charged accordingly.
 
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I'm sure they're all fine,upstanding and pure of heart...the antithesis of those they oppose.


Get your pitch-forks ready
 

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well...

well...

I find an amount of affinity with the protesters. And not really from a "i'm in your boat" position, but more from an "I now understand the full falicy of the system" position.

I went to school for 6 years getting a masters in one of the fields of engineering. I dumped enormous amounts of money into my education. After all this I did get a job and have mantained employment (in a very positive sense, my work totally loves me).

Despite my amazingly specialized and skilled background, I'm being told by the republican elite currently that the reason I do not make more money is because I don't work hard or have gotten a good education. I have done these things. I'm very smart and have worked hard and capitalized on my strengths in the direction that they have taken me. Currently I really do a lot of highly beneficial things to the community that I live in. But...

I will never make it above the middle class. The system has come to the point that no matter how skilled the employee, or how impactful their employment, there exists a 'ceiling' where you have done all that you can.

I believe that the system owes more to these highly educated, very capable and successful employment tracts. The manner in which TEACHERS are currently being vilified is something that is most indicative of our american society as a whole.

I look back on my life, and I really regret few things... But the thing I do regret is choosing a career of being very good at my strengths over the one I knew would be most financially viable. I turned down an education in the financial sector for one that would actually PRODUCE something. And for this choice I am in the spot I will never escape.

Capitalism at it's basest sense is a viable method of society. But for america, it is broken. Special interests have affected the tax and corporate codes to such an extent that the rich will only get richer, the poor will only get poorer, and anyone who works outside of very specific tracts will never be able to achieve any real 'success' from the most basest capitalistic sense. Capitalism assumes an even footing. And we no longer have it.

Is the solution to go camp on wallstreet? Fuck, probably not. But I understand their frustration. I have many highly educated and capable friends who are unable to find employment. A person can get to the point where their frustration at the system in general is a beast unto itself.

So kudos to the campers, and a very gigantic F U to the people who would vilify them as parasites or freeloaders. There is no middle ground any longer, there are only the haves and the have nots. The haves will assert their influence and power as much as they can to maintain their position, and the have nots will continually be caught in a state of never quite enough...

It sucks.
 
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this guy will help....

DB's incessant "but they did it first" does point out these guys are just the opposite side of the same impotent coin as the astrotea party...
 

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Because for more than 3 decades, investment banks bought off the politicians who would otherwise regulate systemic risk and too-big-to-fail entities.
My argument is that for the last 10+ decades banks have owned politicians. The last three decades, which coincidentally coincides with the conversion to true fiat and the massive credit bubble, have no doubt allowed them to consolidate power and wealth massively.

So much so that today's spectacle of a "free market" is overt and blatant global fascism and corrupted central planning. And that's what all these -isms really boil down too IMO. Fascism, Corpratism, Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, etc are all separate ideologies that always end in the same state. Wealth concentrated in the hands of the few who are looking out for their own self interest to the complete detriment of the citizenry. Power boils down to who controls the money supply IMO. It's either mandated to the people (the market) by constitutional law or it belongs to a select few inevitable power deluded sociopaths.

The same tactics that allow your portfolio to gain are threatening long term investments as a whole. That's how old money gets richer, absorbing our losses with each bust.
Not sure I understand that. My portfolio is made up of land and other physical assets. Likely to lose nominal $ value in the short term, but have long term strategic value. I can promise you, if senior bondholders of sovereign debt are about to take a 50% haircut... we are all going to take a "haircut." "Old money" always makes money both ways. I agree. Thus the long lasting ruling families around the world.

Printing money isn't a strategy. It's a tactic used because the very system that would mitigate risk has been bought off by the system that generates risk.
Printing money has been alway been the strategy IMO. Lest we forget the US experienced partial hyperinflation after the Civil War. Lincoln printed the infamous fiat "Greenbacks." Weimar, South America, etc etc. When bankers buy governments they print fiat money until the people are wiped out. What's telling in this current "liquidity" crisis is the Germans extreme fear of monetizing debt and it is holding up this whole bailout bonanza in Europe. Why doesn't the ECB just print tons of money like we did and "juice the markets"? It's because in Germany everyone knows the path it leads to. Been there done that recently last century.

The folks blaming Ben for pushing the economic wagon off the cliff are some of the same folks pushing the investment wagon off the cliff. Hopefully they get it timed right and everybody blames it on the Fed. It's the same thing that happened with the housing bust. Big investment banks blame buyers and the few rogue lenders when they know there aren't any statistics supporting their claims.
I look at Ben like I do O. As characters doing their part. Ben is just the face of the corrupt organization. A product of the system.

Gramps, I'm not saying you're risking long term security for fast gain. But the folks you're listening to sure are.
I don't know. Maybe it's because I went to school with a bunch of Germans, but I think this country is risking it's long term security for fast gain. I'm just investing in what seems to be the logical outcome of our monetary and fiscal policies. Diversified of course. We all have our normalcy bias which should be hedged against.

And I don't consider defecating in public acceptable. Anybody doing that should be charged accordingly.
I'd sit in the tank for 24 to poop on Goldman Sach's front door. Just do it at night and try not to get caught. I'd consider it a small moral victory for what they've done.

:joint:
 

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Not sure I understand that. My portfolio is made up of land and other physical assets. Likely to lose nominal $ value in the short term, but have long term strategic value. I can promise you, if senior bondholders of sovereign debt are about to take a 50% haircut... we are all going to take a "haircut."

I mentioned speculation and I gathered you inferred it improved your investments. Regardless, best wishes with your gains.:)


Printing money has been alway been the strategy IMO. Lest we forget the US experienced partial hyperinflation after the Civil War. Lincoln printed the infamous fiat "Greenbacks." Weimar, South America, etc etc. When bankers buy governments they print fiat money until the people are wiped out. What's telling in this crisis is the Germans extreme fear of monetizing debt and it is holding up this whole bailout bonanza in Europe. Why doesn't the ECB just print tons of money like we did and "juice the markets"? It's because in Germany everyone knows the path it leads to. Been there done that recently last century.


I look at Ben like I do O. As characters doing their part. Ben is just the face of the corrupt organization. A product of the system.


I don't know. Maybe it's because I went to school with a bunch of Germans, but I think this country is risking it's long term security for fast gain. I'm just investing in what seems to be the logical outcome of our monetary and fiscal policies. Diversified of course. We all have our normalcy bias which should be hedged against.


I'd sit in the tank for 24 to poop on Goldman Sach's front door. Just do it at night and try not to get caught. I'd consider it a small moral victory for what they've done.

:joint:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/09/1024636/--OWS:-Take-this-video-VIRAL,-NOW!

Look at American economic history. A gold standard and a national bank didn't stop those 10 and 15 year bust cycles (but 50 years of regulation did.)
 

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Look at American economic history. A gold standard and a national bank didn't stop those 10 and 15 year bust cycles (but 50 years of regulation did.)
You can't ever stop boom bust cycles. The question is do we let the market control the boom bust cycles or do we let a small group of people control it?

40-50 years of "regulation" didn't stop the boom bust cycle. We've just been expanding credit at an unsustainable rate for 30+ years. We've been living in the boom and now we get to see the big bust.

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“There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”Ludwig von Mises
 

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You can't ever stop boom bust cycles. The question is do we let the market control the boom bust cycles or do we let a small group of people control it?

We mitigated boom/bust considerably through Glass Stegall. With all due respect, the question has been and is being answered many times over. I could paraphrase Greenspan as the latest example of folks acknowledging the market regulates nothing. [Some] people will kiss the market on the cheek and stab it in the back.

The market's good for peeps that don't exploit. There's little market ethics and or morals with unethical and or immoral folks doing their thing.

40-50 years of "regulation" didn't stop the boom bust cycle. We've just been expanding credit at an unsustainable rate for 30+ years. We've been living in the boom and now we get to see the big bust.

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Regulation did curb boom/bust. It's in the list I posted. Boom/bust isn't just measured by event, it's also measured by degree. Elizabeth Warren isn't just a progressive, she's a scholar. That said, I understand you and I have a bit of philosophical disagreement.:)
 
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