Sir_Stickybuds
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Instead of using a cool tube has anyone just place their exhaust vent above the bulb without a tube? basically sucking the heat off the bulb and surrounding room
Now we're on the same page.
i sincerely doubt my cool tubes have thicker glass than my other hoods. i will try and check tho
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DHF
Well......Let`s see here OO......The biggest dilemma with vertical setups and bare bulbs IME has been that folks tryta fit the lights to their rooms instead of making the rooms the right sizes for maxing out bare bulbs limits of sideways penetration.......
600`s penetrate 32-36" sideways with the better bulbs and 1000`s maybe 42" , but after 3' lumens diminish and anything beyond that as plant matter would suffer , so with that being said.......
What you and Bobbles agree on is prolly best , but.....the room`s 52 sq ft that calls for 2600 watts anyways for 50 watts per sq ft so , it`s the lack of height @ 6'6" that concerns me for heat extraction although it can be done guaranteed.....but then......
It`s the dimensions aren`t right for the 5 lights side by side or stacked ......so.....If it was my setup I`d set up a 6 x 10 with the 5-600`s able to be raised and lowered as needed set on 20" centers with staggered back stadium shelves on all 4 walls monocropped with outrageous plant numbers and plants even on the floor ftw........but.....
Get in where yas fit in Bro....it`s just the 5 light thingy ta try and make it work in said sq ftg with that low ceiling......
Just remember 50 watts per sq ft and 600`s only penetrate sdeways max 3 ', so work from there and only God knows how much lumen loss would be experienced with cooltubes on a 360 degree basis.......
Holler if we can help.....DHF......
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600`s penetrate 32-36" sideways with the better bulbs and 1000`s maybe 42" , but after 3' lumens diminish and anything beyond that as plant matter would suffer , so with that being said.......
What you and Bobbles agree on is prolly best , but.....the room`s 52 sq ft that calls for 2600 watts anyways for 50 watts per sq ft so , it`s the lack of height @ 6'6" that concerns me for heat extraction although it can be done guaranteed.....but then......
It`s the dimensions aren`t right for the 5 lights side by side or stacked ......so.....If it was my setup I`d set up a 6 x 10 with the 5-600`s able to be raised and lowered as needed set on 20" centers with staggered back stadium shelves on all 4 walls monocropped with outrageous plant numbers and plants even on the floor ftw........but.....
Get in where yas fit in Bro....it`s just the 5 light thingy ta try and make it work in said sq ftg with that low ceiling......
Just remember 50 watts per sq ft and 600`s only penetrate sdeways max 3 ', so work from there and only God knows how much lumen loss would be experienced with cooltubes on a 360 degree basis.......
Holler if we can help.....DHF......
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OrganicOzarks
Going from "how much light can I cram in this bitch", to "how much light would work for a circle that is about 6' takes a bit of getting use to. I know I will learn a lot from this little adventure. I am excited about trying something completely different than what I am use to. I love new projects. This is going to be fun!
Not trying to beat a dead horse... but I can guarantee your cool tubes are thicker than the pain of glass in your reflector. It has to be for the integrity of the structure. Fred's explained it perfectly above. 2% isn't shit up close, but the further and further away you get from the light, the greater the amount of light falling off.
OrganicOzarks- It does take some getting used to... but yields are 100% related to the environment, not just the amount of light you're throwing at the plants. You need proper CO2, O2, RH%, H2O, nutrients, and light... Those are the things that make a plant tick. Don't focus on one and forget about the others. Additionally, you get overlapping light waves all around the room from a column of stacked lamps, and that shit's bouncing off the reflectix right back at the plants... So the distance the light penetrates along with the intensity is greatly increased by this method of growing. There's a similar overlapping light effect with stadiums, however the plants don't stay in the light zone 100% in a stadium. Some of the plants are below and some above the light. Some closer, some further back...
Anything I can do to help, feel free to ask. I'm not trying to push my growing style on anyone. Except LL, when he comes back from his sabbatical.
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OrganicOzarks
Thank you so much for all of the help. I will hit you up with any problems I run into. I have about 4 weeks before I can build that space out. Once I start though I will update on here. Thanks again!!
My kid runs a 5' x 10' tent & has 3 600's & pulls over a gram per watt every time . so yeah i'm thinking way to much light in that size room . you could probably pull it off but ventilation is gonna have to be oversized .... prolly 10" or 12" extraction fans .
if it were me .... i'd run 3 600's in hoods or cooltubes or even 2 1000's over 2 -4' x 4' nets .
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DHF
The 1 thing I stressed about lights side by side in a stadium setup in my last post was to be able to raise and lower bare bulbs as needed so max lumen penetration takes care of all the plants as they need it due to different levels either benefiting or suffering from light positioning if there`s not enough watts per sq ft............
Things to ponder........DHF........
Things to ponder........DHF....
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Everything I know about vertical growing came from DHF, Bobblehead and Diesel Don Marlo, also LL (hurry back bro), Aerohead, Anti and a few others I am probably forgetting.......I really had no clue until I found this section and ICMag, they turned my growing abilities around and literally DOUBLED my yields.
I only pass along what I was taught...
I agree completely, *but* cooltubes are cheaper than ACs and dehueys.
not trying to beat a dead horse either, but has anyone offered proof of this claim? i have a few different reflectors and cool tubes, and the glass feels to be about the same thickness on them all, betw 3-5mm approx..
that being said, bare bulbs are brighter than tubes, and will always get the nod whenever possible
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DHF
Schrews Bro.......In NO way was I directing my post toward yours cuz I KNOW you handle your shit but.....
My a/c`s and dehuey`s were attached to each flip room as a redundancy /insurance factor only cuz my active intakes and exhausts took care of most of the load with only 1800 watts hoonin , but ........
I can see where glass serves it`s purpose but costs more for the reflectors as to where I had the emergency equipment onsite if needed , and cooltubes or air-cooled reflectors will only handle so much without radiating heatgain/ storage back into the rooms if not maintained properly.........
Total tradeoff , but in the long run........bare bulbs are babyshit ta dial heat extraction wise without reflectors as long as air exchange is handled twice per min IME.....
Many waysta skin a mule but......I covered all my bases for total environmental control and cost didn`t matter compared to the end result on a regular basis rotation in or rotation out ....and.....
You said yourself there`s no comparison to bare bulbs versus ANY type glass reflector , so proof`s in the puddin.........Cooltubes may be the same thickness as horizontal reflectors Bro , so I`ll give full testament they cost me a full lb of dope in the 1 flip room I ran em in that`s a 25% difference from the bare bulb room on the other side of the wall.......
Pulled 5 lbs outta my ebb and flow bucket rooms EVERY run with bare bulbs hangin , and when I only pulled lil less than 4 and some flarf that normally wasn`t a part of my harveys in the cool tube room with absolute control side by side comparison , I put them bitches on the cow fence and did target practice on em.....
Dial your environment........this shit ain`t cheap...act accordingly.....use the proper equipment for PERFECT environment...........It`ll make ys happy......or cost yas if you skimp and cut corners.......guaranteed....
Peace.....DHF..........
My a/c`s and dehuey`s were attached to each flip room as a redundancy /insurance factor only cuz my active intakes and exhausts took care of most of the load with only 1800 watts hoonin , but ........
I can see where glass serves it`s purpose but costs more for the reflectors as to where I had the emergency equipment onsite if needed , and cooltubes or air-cooled reflectors will only handle so much without radiating heatgain/ storage back into the rooms if not maintained properly.........
Total tradeoff , but in the long run........bare bulbs are babyshit ta dial heat extraction wise without reflectors as long as air exchange is handled twice per min IME.....
Many waysta skin a mule but......I covered all my bases for total environmental control and cost didn`t matter compared to the end result on a regular basis rotation in or rotation out ....and.....
You said yourself there`s no comparison to bare bulbs versus ANY type glass reflector , so proof`s in the puddin.........Cooltubes may be the same thickness as horizontal reflectors Bro , so I`ll give full testament they cost me a full lb of dope in the 1 flip room I ran em in that`s a 25% difference from the bare bulb room on the other side of the wall.......
Pulled 5 lbs outta my ebb and flow bucket rooms EVERY run with bare bulbs hangin , and when I only pulled lil less than 4 and some flarf that normally wasn`t a part of my harveys in the cool tube room with absolute control side by side comparison , I put them bitches on the cow fence and did target practice on em.....
Dial your environment........this shit ain`t cheap...act accordingly.....use the proper equipment for PERFECT environment...........It`ll make ys happy......or cost yas if you skimp and cut corners.......guaranteed....
Peace.....DHF....
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I looked it up. 3mm for the glass in the SS2, 5mm for a cool tube.
whosthatguy
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I use 2 600w bulbs in a 5x5 tent with cooltubes. I got 1.5# my first try with new strain my first run in the tent...I dunno cool tubes are legit in small places IMO
yep i ditched my cooltubes too, def not for target practice though, probably craigslist instead.
i know DHF you are on the 600w tip but what do you think of 3 1000w bulbs stacked with no tubes? thinking that might be it for my next vert run if there is one
cooltubes are completely functional, but i think the point being made here is that with proper air exchange and room dialage they are unnecessary and actually counter-productive.
i wonder if that difference is significant in terms of light penetration? anybody?
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DHF
Hey Schrews....Ya`ll got Craigslist in medville for used equipment as to where all I was doin was destroyin "evidence" down here in Hell , with no way ta list growin shit for sale .......lol.....
Anyways......Air cooled reflectors most definitely have their place in the retail market cuz they`re the standard of the industry.....I`d go so far as to say 95% of the retail market is air-cooled reflectors.....but.....
I started out with bare bulbs growin krusty buckets and the results spoke for themselves.......NEVER used air cooled anything but once and the cooltubes pissed me off........I murdered their asses and went back to my bare bulbs hangin.......
3-1K`s stacked will give yas a lil more height for a taller room if possible and I`ve got a growbro on the left coast that runs 3 1000`s stacked with my modified Heath racks and kills it........
He does run a small cut co sellin to the clubs so he takes the pick of the litter cuts from all his flats and sells the rest to the clubs....
Stacks em on 4 levels all the way round the rooms that`re like 7'6" square with the corners chopped/angled.........but....
If you can`t dial your environment for bare bulbs there`s something wrong......and......
Saw Krusty grow warehouses full of 3 lb plants with bare bulbs and proper A/C and air exchange so I mean...WTF.....
Dial your environment......means WAY more than blastin light at their asses......so......if air cooled reflectors help control environment in a setup then it`s a viable tool.......but.......Lumenloss on air cooled reflectors regardless of the studies is at least 15 up to 25% if they`re not constantly maintained/cleaned and with new bulbs EVERY run for as much as yas can get out of em.....
I ran new bulbs every 3rd run with my bare bulbs and believe me I had light meters ta know when they were gettin past productivity point.....now....after that nice lil wake and bake.....in the famous words of my redneck Bro Zac Brown.....
Got my toes in da water , ass in da sand , not a worry in da world a cold corona w/lime in my hand.........Life is good today.......Life is good today.........Adios and Via Condidos........
Ya`ll get ta work....make an old man proud.....
Peace.....Freds.....
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